Rangers could trade Joey Gallo

[Soupbone]

I saw a report that the Rangers are at least checking into this. 2 years of control. Estimated arb cost between and $5 and $6 million. Big left handed power bat. Has played both 1B and 3B. That would look nice in our lineup. What would he cost in prospects?

[wibadgers23]

He’s only 27 years old? Man it feels like he’s been around forever. Anyway, if it didn’t cost much of a prospect then I’d be game. I remember when we traded Lucroy to the Rangers a lot of us were clamoring for Gallo to be included.

[PeaveyFury]

I doubt that he’s really a 3B anymore, but he’s actually quite good in the OF and 1B defensively. Low average, high OBP, massive

power.

[pacopete4]

I’d take him over Vogelbach.

[Simba2020]

Not terribly familiar with UZR/150 ratings but interestingly Vogelbach's rating is 2.3 for his career while Gallo's is -4.9 at first and - 6.7 at third. Gallo has been a good defender in the outfield however. Not sure how the shortened season will effect the arbitration process but I would have thought Gallo would be more in line for something closer to $7.5 million next year.

[nate82]

Maybe a Ray, Lazar and Turang deal gets this done. Might be a slight overpay for Gallo.

[TURBO]

Maybe a Ray, Lazar and Turang deal gets this done. Might be a slight overpay for Gallo.

 

For 2 years of control, yeah, I think that is an overpay once you added Turang.

[Soupbone]

Instead of Turang maybe Lutz gets it done. So Lazar Ray and Lutz.

[DR28]

My god I would love Gallo at 1B.

 

Man, he would hit 50+ playing half at AmFam Field.

[PeaveyFury]

Not terribly familiar with UZR/150 ratings but interestingly Vogelbach's rating is 2.3 for his career while Gallo's is -4.9 at first and - 6.7 at third. Gallo has been a good defender in the outfield however.

 

I think Gallo's 1B numbers are skewed a bit due to his early career, as I think he was better there in 2018. As you note, he's a plus OF guy.

 

I'm really warming to this idea. Should be within the Brewers' salary confines, and shouldn't require a ton of prospect capital. He'd be a nice addition to the roster.

[nate82]

Instead of Turang maybe Lutz gets it done. So Lazar Ray and Lutz.

 

I don't think a deal gets done unless you include Turang.

[Simba2020]

Not terribly familiar with UZR/150 ratings but interestingly Vogelbach's rating is 2.3 for his career while Gallo's is -4.9 at first and - 6.7 at third. Gallo has been a good defender in the outfield however.

 

I think Gallo's 1B numbers are skewed a bit due to his early career, as I think he was better there in 2018. As you note, he's a plus OF guy.

 

I'm really warming to this idea. Should be within the Brewers' salary confines, and shouldn't require a ton of prospect capital. He'd be a nice addition to the roster.

Better in 2018 but still negative but probably still passable. However, he'd be worth far more as an outfielder where he can utilize his strong throwing arm.

 

I'm not sure it would sense to trade prospects for a guy and then use him incorrectly. If you could stick him in right then it would make more sense but would still leave the hole at first. I would not give up Turang in a deal for him under any circumstance personally.

[wibadgers23]

Same here. Now Turang for someone like Eugenio Suarez? That I would be more comfortable with.

[Jopal78]

Instead of Turang maybe Lutz gets it done. So Lazar Ray and Lutz.

 

Gallo is just another version of Chris Carter, hits a pile of homers but not much else and will strike out close to 200 times. Not the type of player The GM typically goes for.

 

Besides that, the aforementioned package of players are more valuable in the eyes of Brewer fans than they likely are to other clubs. Lutz and Lazar haven’t played above A ball and have legit questions about their skill sets. Ray is already a draft bust, and not ready for the majors despite being an advanced college player. Turang is a fringe top 100 prospect who may develop into a player but could also wind up being overmatched offensively as the competition gets better

[sveumrules]

Gallo is just another version of Chris Carter, hits a pile of homers but not much else and will strike out close to 200 times. Not the type of player The GM typically goes for.

 

They both have the 3TO thing going on at the plate, but Gallo has also provided positive value on the bases (+14.8) & in the field (+23 DRS, +19.3 UZR in 2165 innings at all three OF spots), where Carter was a big negative on the bases (-11.5) & in the field (-19 DRS, -15.3 UZR at 1B).

 

Add it all up & Gallo has posted 9.5 WAR in 1785 PAs compared to 3.1 WAR in 2853 PAs for Carter.

[CheezWizHed]

Gallo is just another version of Chris Carter, hits a pile of homers but not much else and will strike out close to 200 times. Not the type of player The GM typically goes for.

 

Career number-wise the two are similar:

Gallo: 208/327/499/825

Carter: 217/312/456/768

 

Their best years (both at age 25 - and both in limited games) are a bit different however:

Gallo: 253/389/598/986 over 70 games (2019)

Carter: 239/350/514/864 over 67 games

 

Personally, I never quite got why we didn't give Carter another year. He wasn't perfect, but he was fairly inexpensive and filled a need.

 

I'm not going to spend a lot on Gallo to acquire him, but a Ray/Lutz/Lazar package isn't that expensive. Perhaps 2019 was his flash in a pan or maybe he is trending up. He will be 27 this year, so he is just in his prime years.

 

Besides that, the aforementioned package of players are more valuable in the eyes of Brewer fans than they likely are to other clubs. Lutz and Lazar haven’t played above A ball and have legit questions about their skill sets. Ray is already a draft bust, and not ready for the majors despite being an advanced college player. Turang is a fringe top 100 prospect who may develop into a player but could also wind up being overmatched offensively as the competition gets better

 

I'm confused. You say this package will be more valuable to other teams, then point out all the flaws in the package. Isn't that why it aligns with (an imperfect) Gallo?

[sveumrules]

Gallo is one of 138 players with at least 1,500 PAs since the start of the 2017 season.

 

Of those 138, he is one of only nine players to provide at least +10 value each at the plate, on the bases & with the glove over that time. The other eight...

 

Mookie Betts, Jose Ramirez, Brett Gardner, Ozzie Albies, JT Realmuto, Trevor Story, Lorenzo Cain & Marcus Semien.

[Simba2020]

Gallo is one of 138 players with at least 1,500 PAs since the start of the 2017 season.

 

Of those 138, he is one of only nine players to provide at least +10 value each at the plate, on the bases & with the glove over that time. The other eight...

 

Mookie Betts, Jose Ramirez, Brett Gardner, Ozzie Albies, JT Realmuto, Trevor Story, Lorenzo Cain & Marcus Semien.

But he provides that value on defense as a right fielder where he won a gold glove. People want him to play first base where he is a liability. He's also on record as not wanting to play another position other than right. He makes no sense as a first base target. Plus I expect him to get a minimum of $15 million in arbitration the next two years and wouldn't be surprised if he got $17.5 million.

[sveumrules]

If Stearns & company were to acquire Gallo, I'd imagine it would be as the primary RF.

 

He doesn't really have a notable career platoon split so even without a DH you could go something like this to get everyone enough playing time...

 

LF: Yelich (150) Avisail (12)

CF: Cain (120) Avisail (42)

RF: Gallo (110) Avisail (52)

1B: Vogelbach (vs RHP, 120ish) Gallo (vs LHP, 40ish)

[pacopete4]

Getting 150 games from Yelich should be interesting.

[MNBrew]

Gallo is just another version of Chris Carter, hits a pile of homers but not much else and will strike out close to 200 times. Not the type of player The GM typically goes for.

 

Career number-wise the two are similar:

Gallo: 208/327/499/825

Carter: 217/312/456/768

 

Their best years (both at age 25 - and both in limited games) are a bit different however:

Gallo: 253/389/598/986 over 70 games (2019)

Carter: 239/350/514/864 over 67 games

 

Personally, I never quite got why we didn't give Carter another year. He wasn't perfect, but he was fairly inexpensive and filled a need.

 

I'm not going to spend a lot on Gallo to acquire him, but a Ray/Lutz/Lazar package isn't that expensive. Perhaps 2019 was his flash in a pan or maybe he is trending up. He will be 27 this year, so he is just in his prime years.

 

Besides that, the aforementioned package of players are more valuable in the eyes of Brewer fans than they likely are to other clubs. Lutz and Lazar haven’t played above A ball and have legit questions about their skill sets. Ray is already a draft bust, and not ready for the majors despite being an advanced college player. Turang is a fringe top 100 prospect who may develop into a player but could also wind up being overmatched offensively as the competition gets better

 

I'm confused. You say this package will be more valuable to other teams, then point out all the flaws in the package. Isn't that why it aligns with (an imperfect) Gallo?

I believe you misread his point. CWH is saying WE (Brewers fans) likely see more value in our "prospects" than other teams would, and pointing out the flaws is done to illustrate the point.

[Lathund]

Personally, I never quite got why we didn't give Carter another year. He wasn't perfect, but he was fairly inexpensive and filled a need.

 

His projected arbitration salary was $8m IIRC. Despite the HR title, he only put up a 113 wRC+. Combine that with poor baserunning and poor defense at 1B, and he was a below-average player (1 fWAR, 0.9 rWAR). Replacing him with Aguilar and Thames, for less money, was an excellent move, I suspect many GMs would not have dared non-tender the HR champion. He put up a 71 wRC+ with the Yankees in 2017 and hasn't played in the majors since.

[sveumrules]

Getting 150 games from Yelich should be interesting.

 

He played 147 in 2018 & was on pace for right around the same (130 G with 18 left) in 2019 before he fouled a ball off his knee cap.

 

The four seasons before that in Miami he played 156, 155, 126 & 144, so he's averaged 143 for his six full seasons.

 

If you want to slide another 5-10 games in LF to Avisail it just reinforces the point that there would be enough playing time for everybody even without the DH.

[pacopete4]

Getting 150 games from Yelich should be interesting.

 

He played 147 in 2018 & was on pace for right around the same (130 G with 18 left) in 2019 before he fouled a ball off his knee cap.

 

The four seasons before that in Miami he played 156, 155, 126 & 144, so he's averaged 143 for his six full seasons.

 

If you want to slide another 5-10 games in LF to Avisail it just reinforces the point that there would be enough playing time for everybody even without the DH.

 

I just am a believer that he's not going to be the same man.

[sveumrules]

Getting 150 games from Yelich should be interesting.

 

He played 147 in 2018 & was on pace for right around the same (130 G with 18 left) in 2019 before he fouled a ball off his knee cap.

 

The four seasons before that in Miami he played 156, 155, 126 & 144, so he's averaged 143 for his six full seasons.

 

If you want to slide another 5-10 games in LF to Avisail it just reinforces the point that there would be enough playing time for everybody even without the DH.

 

I just am a believer that he's not going to be the same man.

 

Not going to be the same man how?

 

I mean if you're saying you don't think he'll hit at a 171 OPS+ like he did for 1231 PAs between 2018-2019, I agree. That is very likely his career peak & he probably won't produce at those levels again. Even Mike Trout is only projected for a 174 OPS+ in 2021.

 

If you're saying that you think his 111 OPS+ from 2020 is indicative of a new true talent level, I guess all I can say is I hope that you are wrong and over reacting to a small sample of 247 PAs (in 58 of 60 games) during a pandemic altered season.

 

Personally, I think the ZiPS projection of a 135 OPS+ is probably a little low & would take the over for Christian in 2021.