Reds trade closer Raisel Iglesias for Noe Ramirez, PTBNL

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Wow ... I don't understand this one for the Reds. Cost-cutting move?

 

[pacopete4]

Glad to have that guy gone and out of the division.

[homer]

Reds are also looking to trade Sonny Gray apparently. Fire sale!

[Eye Black]

Unless the PTBNL is someone impactful, this is further bad news regarding the trade market for relievers that are getting expensive.

[pacopete4]

Yes, this doesn't bode well for a Hader trade.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Yes, this doesn't bode well for a Hader trade.

 

Different scenarios. Iglesias had 1 year left on his deal at roughly $10 million. Hader has 3 years of control remaining. Also, Iglesias is a solid reliever, but not in Hader's stratosphere talent-wise.

[nate82]

That Moustakas signing is looking worse and worse for the Reds.

[Eye Black]

It appears the same team (Angels) that essentially sold off a first round draft pick via a trade last December has basically purchased a closer via trade this season.

 

It appears to be a good move for the Angels.

 

For the Reds I wonder if this is truly just a salary dump, or if it is in conjunction with another separate move to acquire a different (less expensive) reliever. The Reds have seemed pretty intent on trying to become a slightly above average baseball team the past two years.

[Simba2020]

The Reds are a mess. Still owe Votto $82 million (including buyout) the next three years. Moose was an overpay on a four year contract. They traded two elite prospects just to get out of the Homer Bailey contract. Traded for Bradley and then non-tendered him. Now this. I doubt the PTBNL will be anything significant but Reds fans can hope.

[MadThinker88]

Just sharing a tweet from a Reds beat reporter...

 

Mark Sheldon

@m_sheldon

 

Krall said multiple times that dealing Iglesias helps "reallocate resources" for using $ on different things -- SS, rotation, bullpen depth, but said no free agent signings are imminent.

[Fear The Chorizo]

No team's window and operating plan was crushed worse last season by COVID than the Reds, IMO - small to mid market team who spent heavily in the 2019 offseason and mortgaged their future to bring in a bunch of veterans to try and make a run at it that they initially tried to offset by including prospects for teams to take on bad veteran contracts (Bailey), only to lose all opportunities for a full season of gameday revenues and wind up with even more bad veteran salaries remaining at the time when they would need it to try and resign some solid young pitching that's now getting more expensive via arbitration.

[PeaveyFury]

No team's window and operating plan was crushed worse last season by COVID than the Reds, IMO - small to mid market team who spent heavily in the 2019 offseason and mortgaged their future to bring in a bunch of veterans to try and make a run at it that they initially tried to offset by including prospects for teams to take on bad veteran contracts (Bailey), only to lose all opportunities for a full season of gameday revenues and wind up with even more bad veteran salaries remaining at the time when they would need it to try and resign some solid young pitching that's now getting more expensive via arbitration.

 

Spot on, IMO.

[Jopal78]

No team's window and operating plan was crushed worse last season by COVID than the Reds, IMO - small to mid market team who spent heavily in the 2019 offseason and mortgaged their future to bring in a bunch of veterans to try and make a run at it that they initially tried to offset by including prospects for teams to take on bad veteran contracts (Bailey), only to lose all opportunities for a full season of gameday revenues and wind up with even more bad veteran salaries remaining at the time when they would need it to try and resign some solid young pitching that's now getting more expensive via arbitration.

 

This really isn't at all accurate. In that deal the Dodgers took all of Bailey's contract, the Reds took Matt Kemp's contract with the Dodgers kicking in a significant percentage to move him. The other aspect of the trade was Alex Wood, Kyle Farmer and Yasiel Puig with Jeter Downs and Josiah Gray going to Los Angeles. Neither Downs or Gray played above Rookie Ball at the time of the trade. In no way shape or form were they considered by anyone to be "the future". Puig was subsequently flipped for Trevor Bauer, who won the Cy Young award and was a reason the Reds made the playoffs.

 

I imagine if the Brewers traded two players in Rookie Ball in a series of moves to land a pitcher who would win the Cy Young award and help push the team into the post season folks would almost universally be good with it.

 

The Reds still have Tyler Stephenson (#11 overall in 2015), Nick Senzel (#2 overall in 2016), Hunter Greene (#2 overall in 2017) Jonathan India (#5 overall in 2018) and Nick Lodolo (#7 overall in 2019). That's their "future" and nothing has been mortgaged. Again, most fans here would be amped to have that type of potential talent in the minor league system regardless of what's on the major league team.

 

The "bad veteran" salaries are easily explained. The NL Central doesn't have a dominant club. With Gray, Bauer, Castillo, Iglesias, Winker, Votto and Saurez, they decided to step up in the division and added Moustakas and Castellanos. The strategy sort of worked, they posted their first winning record in 7 years, finished 3 games back and made the 2020 playoffs. Besides its way too early to say that Moustakas and Castellanos are bad contracts for the Reds. They weren't great in 2020 but they certainly weren't alone, there were tons of great players who never got it going in 2020: Yelich, Rizzo, Javy Baez, Bryant, etc. In fact, unless one assumes they have no 'window' without Bauer, they should be well positioned to compete in the Central as the other teams so far are hemorrhaging talent as well.

 

As for Iglesias, we've already seen the bottom fall out of relief pitching contracts so this move actually makes a lot of sense, to get another young player for the system, and jettison a player who is earning more than other similarly situated available pitchers.

[sveumrules]

they should be well positioned to compete in the Central as the other teams so far are hemorrhaging talent as well.

 

I don't necessarily disagree that the NL Central will likely be a four team race again in 2021, but what talent are the Brewers hemorrhaging?

[MrTPlush]

they should be well positioned to compete in the Central as the other teams so far are hemorrhaging talent as well.

 

I don't necessarily disagree that the NL Central will likely be a four team race again in 2021, but what talent are the Brewers hemorrhaging?

 

Yah...we didn't have much talent to hemorrhage. Now we may replace that with similar garbage...but, hey, at least we aren't worse?

[Jopal78]

they should be well positioned to compete in the Central as the other teams so far are hemorrhaging talent as well.

 

I don't necessarily disagree that the NL Central will likely be a four team race again in 2021, but what talent are the Brewers hemorrhaging?

 

As I'm sure everyone knows, since the end of the season the Brewers have relinquished control over: Ryan Braun, Corey Knebel, Jedd Gyroko, Ben Gamel, Alex Claudio. Additionally, Brett Anderson declared free agency. Perhaps none a crucial component of the team, but all are legitimate major leaguers.

[sveumrules]

they should be well positioned to compete in the Central as the other teams so far are hemorrhaging talent as well.

 

I don't necessarily disagree that the NL Central will likely be a four team race again in 2021, but what talent are the Brewers hemorrhaging?

 

As I'm sure everyone knows, since the end of the season the Brewers have relinquished control over: Ryan Braun, Corey Knebel, Jedd Gyroko, Ben Gamel, Alex Claudio. Additionally, Brett Anderson declared free agency. Perhaps none a crucial component of the team, but all are legitimate major leaguers.

 

Sure, they are all legit MLB players, but combined with Brett Anderson they accounted for about 1.1 WAR last year. The Reds (Bauer/Iglesias/Casali/Galvis) are losing about 4.8 WAR, the Cardinals (Wong/Miller/Molina/Waino) are losing about 3.6 WAR, & the Cubs (Lester/Quintana/JJ/Kipnis/Schwarber) are losing about 1.7 WAR.

 

I have a feeling the Brewers will miss their departing players the least in 2021 out of the NL Central hopefuls.

[josh]

...but what talent are the Brewers hemorrhaging?

 

Did you not hear the Ryon Healy news?

[brewmann04]

The Brewers Needs to find some players especially @3rd base. But man if the find some way to make smart additions that will be nice.

[Brewers Numbers]

Sure, they are all legit MLB players, but combined with Brett Anderson they accounted for about 1.1 WAR last year. The Reds (Bauer/Iglesias/Casali/Galvis) are losing about 4.8 WAR, the Cardinals (Wong/Miller/Molina/Waino) are losing about 3.6 WAR, & the Cubs (Lester/Quintana/JJ/Kipnis/Schwarber) are losing about 1.7 WAR.

 

I have a feeling the Brewers will miss their departing players the least in 2021 out of the NL Central hopefuls.

I think this is pretty spot on. Brewers need offense wherever they can get it and not tied to a specific position. If they can get more offense at SS then that's what they should do.