3b zach green minor league deal; non-roster invitee

[wallus]

I would not be shocked if Green ends up playing one of the corners this season for the Brewers.

[trwi7]

Regardless of your feelings about Shaw, and he doesn't impress me either, I have a hard time believing that a guy who has struck out 31% of the time between AA and AAA and is now 27 years old is going to be anything other than a bad major league hitter.

[JohnBriggs12]

Here's some perspective. Zach Green is 6 months older than Corey Ray. Green has a career .942 OPS in AAA and .907 at AA. Ray has a AAA OPS of .589 and a AA OPS of .792.

 

Ray plays a position where the Brewers have 4 players each making above $10 million this season and some promising players behind them. Green plays the position of greatest uncertainty. Yet Brewers continue to protect Ray on the 40 man and give a guy who hasn't produced starter quality offense since 2018 the nominal starting job at 3B.

[Outlander]

Well they are both in the minors at this point so what does it really matter. If Ray doesn't produce this year he won't be on the 40 man. They didn't really a 40 man roster crunch this year or else Ray may have been DFA already.

[pacopete4]

Green will get his shot if Shaw flops OR Green goes and hits lights out in AAA. The Brewers don't care about your feelings regarding their players. They're stacking up as many good ones as they can in hopes to produce the best chance to succeed. Signing Shaw for a rebound and stacking Green in AAA is a great way to do just that.

[CheezWizHed]

Here's some perspective. Zach Green is 6 months older than Corey Ray. Green has a career .942 OPS in AAA and .907 at AA. Ray has a AAA OPS of .589 and a AA OPS of .792.

 

Ray plays a position where the Brewers have 4 players each making above $10 million this season and some promising players behind them. Green plays the position of greatest uncertainty. Yet Brewers continue to protect Ray on the 40 man and give a guy who hasn't produced starter quality offense since 2018 the nominal starting job at 3B.

 

Remember that we have Green on our team because someone cut him off of their 40-man roster and no one offered him a better deal than we did.

 

Ray is only on the 40 man because we are giving him every shot to rebound, but more than likely he will go the same direction as Green's original team.

 

Other than that, there isn't any point on comparing the two. The Brewers can keep Green without putting him on the 40 man and that flexibility is what they will want to retain.

[djoctagone]

Really what's the delay on Green at this point? For roster issues, the swap with Pablo makes sense, but do they want his middle infield abilities as a backup to those spots? So then you'd probably be letting Vog go and they don't want to straight up lose him? I don't know, but not sure I'd worry too much about that. I generally like the guy and he's come up with some good hits but really he's just a guy. If Green flops you can probably get him back easily or someone similar off the waiver wire.

 

Also, not like I'm saying Green is gonna mash. But with how bad the O is you kind of want to try and add something. He at least helps vs lefties, in theory. Worth a shot, hope you can get something out of him

the guy currently has a 1.020 ops with nashville. but also 13 strikeouts and only one walk in 35 plate appearances.

 

but he can't play shortstop.

[DuWayne Steurer]

I think we're kinda getting to the point with Shaw where we know that he is what he is, and he's down to a .664 OPS. I realize he could get hot, but I don't see it as super likely, or even mildly likely. I'm at the "lets throw some crap against the wall and see what sticks" stage, and Green has earned the right to be the next guy up.

 

Put him on the 40 man and give him a go.

[MrTPlush]

I don't really get wanting to bring up Zach Green to take Shaw's spot. Travis Shaw has had some clutch ABs and Vogelbach has sucked just as much offensively. Vogelbach is also a slower guy to have on the bases and is terrible defensively. On the flip side Travis Shaw is a really good defender. Zach Green has a fielding percentage of .914% (Shaw is at .964% for his career) at 3B. Now fielding percentage and errors isn't everything, but .914% is really bad. I am guessing the rest of his defensive game isn't good.

 

If we are going to replace a crummy hitter, why don't we replace the one that also sucks at everything else? Leave the good defender alone and not make our defense worse.

[Jopal78]

I think we're kinda getting to the point with Shaw where we know that he is what he is, and he's down to a .664 OPS. I realize he could get hot, but I don't see it as super likely, or even mildly likely. I'm at the "lets throw some crap against the wall and see what sticks" stage, and Green has earned the right to be the next guy up.

 

Put him on the 40 man and give him a go.

 

It depends how you see Travis Shaw. Is he the guy who put up a .551 OPS in 230 at bats in 2019, or is he the player who has been a .750 OPS in 2000 other career at bats?

 

His overall stat line right now isn’t far removed from last year. His advanced metrics show his exit velocity, hard hit%, walk and strike out rates right near where they were in his salad days of ‘17 and ‘18.

 

Shaw, like some of the other players, has been a little unlucky so far. Unless you don’t believe the history and metrics that the .750 guy is in there somewhere you continue to roll with Shaw.

[Warning Track Power]

The idea that Zach Green is some kind of savior is laughable and sad all at once.

 

You want to bring him up to replace Pablo Reyes as the very last man on the bench? Sure, I guess I am good with that. You want to bring him up to replace or take ABs from Travis Shaw? No thanks. I also remember a time when people were pining for more Billy McKinney or Tyrone Taylor. How is that going?

 

I would much rather see Hernan Perez, who at least might bring some life back into what appears to be a dead clubhouse without Arcia and, heck, Aguilar.

[JohnBriggs12]

Savior no, but a power threat on a team that's lacking them, yes. You don't give up on Taylor but with options he can be playing every day in AAA. Heck why don't we throw Dustin Peterson in the mix? Guy has only fanned 4 times in 48 PA in the minors and he's got a little more versatility on defense.

[Outlander]

I don't really get wanting to bring up Zach Green to take Shaw's spot. Travis Shaw has had some clutch ABs and Vogelbach has sucked just as much offensively. Vogelbach is also a slower guy to have on the bases and is terrible defensively. On the flip side Travis Shaw is a really good defender. Zach Green has a fielding percentage of .914% (Shaw is at .964% for his career) at 3B. Now fielding percentage and errors isn't everything, but .914% is really bad. I am guessing the rest of his defensive game isn't good.

 

If we are going to replace a crummy hitter, why don't we replace the one that also sucks at everything else? Leave the good defender alone and not make our defense worse.

It has been said before but incremental improvement does not mean the guy is a savior. Shaw has been playing 1B against lefties, there is no reason to do that, Shaw can't hit lefties. Putting Shaw in a better position to succeed by limiting his at bats versus lefties.

[MrTPlush]

I don't really get wanting to bring up Zach Green to take Shaw's spot. Travis Shaw has had some clutch ABs and Vogelbach has sucked just as much offensively. Vogelbach is also a slower guy to have on the bases and is terrible defensively. On the flip side Travis Shaw is a really good defender. Zach Green has a fielding percentage of .914% (Shaw is at .964% for his career) at 3B. Now fielding percentage and errors isn't everything, but .914% is really bad. I am guessing the rest of his defensive game isn't good.

 

If we are going to replace a crummy hitter, why don't we replace the one that also sucks at everything else? Leave the good defender alone and not make our defense worse.

 

It has been said before but incremental improvement does not mean the guy is a savior.

 

Shaw has been playing 1B against lefties, there is no reason to do that, Shaw can't hit lefties.

 

Putting Shaw in a better position to succeed by limiting his at bats versus lefties.

 

What?

 

He has four starts all year against LHP. So I don't really get the notion Shaw is endlessly facing lefties. Regardless, what does that have to do with Shaw over Vogelbach? They are both lefties. If Zach Green plays first base there is no need for Travis Shaw to play first base against lefties. This is exactly what you said you wanted is it not? Shaw keeps playing first base versus LHP because Vogelbach is even worse against LHP.

 

Same as above, Zach Green at first base does reduce the need of Travis Shaw playing against lefties.

[brooks_quichenick]

I don't think I've seen anyone on here proclaiming Zach Green to be a savior of any kind.

 

In the effort to shake things up, I'd like to see him replace Vogelbach to get some ABs at 1B and occasionally 3B. Couldn't be any worse than what we've already got.

[DuWayne Steurer]

The idea that Zach Green is some kind of savior is laughable and sad all at once.

 

You want to bring him up to replace Pablo Reyes as the very last man on the bench? Sure, I guess I am good with that. You want to bring him up to replace or take ABs from Travis Shaw? No thanks. I also remember a time when people were pining for more Billy McKinney or Tyrone Taylor. How is that going?

 

I would much rather see Hernan Perez, who at least might bring some life back into what appears to be a dead clubhouse without Arcia and, heck, Aguilar.

 

 

I'd much rather have Green playing vs. lefties than Shaw. I'd rather see if he can than just assume he can't because a bunch of other 4A scrubs have proven that they suck.

[brewmann04]

I think Dee should be a call up more than Greene at this point.

[MrTPlush]

I think Dee should be a call up more than Greene at this point.

 

Dee? For what reason?

[brewmann04]

Just for maybe to light a spark in the offense.

[djoctagone]

if zach green has his contract selected, he does have two minor league options remaining.

 

current slash line: .281 / .319 / .672

 

yeah, he's struck out 37.7% of the time, but he's also homered every 9.14 at bats.

[umphrey]

Looks like a Hiura AAA line

[AJOHNSON104]

Could do a Robertson back to the IL with the calf injury and go with Green for a week or two. Also could send Hiura back. AVG/OBP and Strike outs aren't where you like them, but the same with just about everyone else.

[JohnBriggs12]

Why not just release Shaw or send Hiura back down? They released Smoak last year when he put up similar numbers to Shaw.

[mtrebs]

Why not just release Shaw or send Hiura back down? They released Smoak last year when he put up similar numbers to Shaw.

 

Maybe it just seems this way, but hasn’t Shaw come through quite a bit in the clutch this year, and aren’t his RBIs a respectable number? I don’t recall Smoak really providing much in general, so even though Shaw’s numbers aren’t good, he has provided some value.

 

All that being said, if we could find a decent 1B I’d be all over sending Hiura down for an extended period and getting rid of Vogelbach and/or Shaw.

[jonescm128]

I think Dee should be a call up more than Greene at this point.

 

He’s not with the team anymore