Game 11: Bears @ Packers - Sunday, Nov 29th, 7:20PM CT

[adambr2]

So we are allowing some fans in?

[brewcrewdue80]

So we are allowing some fans in?

 

Mentioned was allowed 500fans but not all 500 showed up.

[HarveysWBs]

I know it’s still the Bears, but that’s a good, good win. Time to get this thing rolling a bit after a tough month.

[homer]

Packers could win the Super Bowl or they could lose their first playoff game.

[sveumrules]

This is why team stats are so meaningless in the NFL.

 

Any statistic needs to be considered with a certain degree of context, some moreso than others.

 

Which do you think are meaningless?

[worm81]

Rodgers has been sacked 11 times this season in 11 games. A+

[adambr2]

Very nice win, but the elephant in the room that we cannot stop the run to save our lives remained and still remains.

 

I hope Rodgers can win shootouts every week in January, because that's what it will take for this team to play in the Super Bowl.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Very nice win.

 

There, fixed.

 

The Bears are not a terrible team. They have several very good skill position guys on offense, and a ton of talent on defense. They aren't a pushover. It bothers me that so many in this fanbase seem to think that the Packers should be blowing out everyone 45-3 every week. This is the NFL. That's just not how things typically work.

 

This game was a drubbing. It was over a full hour before the final whistle. Some garbage time offense and a couple random long plays from the Bears on offense in the first half didn't change that. The Packers outclassed a decent Bears team last night, and it wasn't even close.

[adambr2]

Very nice win.

 

There, fixed.

 

The Bears are not a terrible team. They have several very good skill position guys on offense, and a ton of talent on defense. They aren't a pushover. It bothers me that so many in this fanbase seem to think that the Packers should be blowing out everyone 45-3 every week. This is the NFL. That's just not how things typically work.

 

This game was a drubbing. It was over a full hour before the final whistle. Some garbage time offense and a couple random long plays from the Bears on offense in the first half didn't change that. The Packers outclassed a decent Bears team last night, and it wasn't even close.

 

The Bears are a pretty bad team. They're nowhere close to being a decent team.

They're terrible. Blowing out teams isn't the point and the garbage time points isn't really it either. The run defense wasn't good before garbage time.

 

The Packers are a good team. I am simply saying the issues they had when they got drubbed last January still exist and are likely to rear their ugly heads in January again. That's all. But I do think that the NFC lacks a team the quality of last year's 49ers team, so we do have a chance.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Very nice win.

 

There, fixed.

 

The Bears are not a terrible team. They have several very good skill position guys on offense, and a ton of talent on defense. They aren't a pushover. It bothers me that so many in this fanbase seem to think that the Packers should be blowing out everyone 45-3 every week. This is the NFL. That's just not how things typically work.

 

This game was a drubbing. It was over a full hour before the final whistle. Some garbage time offense and a couple random long plays from the Bears on offense in the first half didn't change that. The Packers outclassed a decent Bears team last night, and it wasn't even close.

 

The Bears are a pretty bad team. They're nowhere close to being a decent team.

They're terrible. Blowing out teams isn't the point and the garbage time points isn't really it either. The run defense wasn't good before garbage time.

 

The Packers are a good team. I am simply saying the issues they had when they got drubbed last January still exist and are likely to rear their ugly heads in January again. That's all. But I do think that the NFC lacks a team the quality of last year's 49ers team, so we do have a chance.

 

The Bears rushed for 122 yards last night, nearly half of which (57 yards) of which came on one play. Other than that one play, I thought the run defense was fine. Granted that one play was terrible, and in no way should Kenny Clark be the only man that needs to be moved to create a hole big enough to drive a semi through, but it was one play. That was just a terrible scheme. They cleaned it up after that, and were actually pretty good in the limited attempts the Bears made at running the ball. Kamal Martin was active last night. Kirksey needs to be more aggressive at times, but he wasn't terrible. It would be nice to get Barnes back soon, as he was a little more of a thumper that is needed against the run.

 

I wonder if the Packers might think about giving Dontari Poe a call? He played quite poorly early in the year for the Cowboys, but said at the time of his release that he was never right physically, and was interested in joining a contender near the end of the season after letting himself heal. He brings a pedigree as a solid run stuffer. Could be this year's version of Howard Green.

[MrTPlush]

Rodgers has been sacked 11 times this season in 11 games. A+

 

I was about to say, Billy Turner has really held his own against some good players opposite of him. At one point they showed a play where he got help against Khalil Mack and honestly didn't even look like he needed help.

 

Probably going to be the least amount of times Rodgers has ever been sacked in a season (that he wasn't injured). The current lowest is 28 in 2014.

[adambr2]

Offensive line has done a tremendous job this season. Didn't hear what the extent of the Linsley injury was, but they didn't seem to miss a beat when Jenkins had to slide over to C.

[homer]

Sounds like Linsley has a sprained MCL

[adambr2]

Sounds like Linsley has a sprained MCL

 

Well, that's better than what comes to mind (ACL) every time I hear "out with a knee injury."

[CheezWizHed]

For all the chatter about the coin flip, I think one key point is missed. Accepting and Deferring doesn't have direct effect on how many possessions you have (unless you can predict the flow the game ahead of time). But by deferring, you get to pick the direction you start. And playing outside in windy conditions, that can be key. We've had at least two games where we could barely through the ball in one direction.

 

With regard to sacks, I think one key has been the number of short passes and play-action passes. Rodgers used to be famous for standing back there for 5+seconds waiting for someone to open up. MLF has finally convinced him to play the short game more often, so defenses are getting less of a chance to T-off on him.

[PeaveyFury]

I also think the actual point that was being made regarding getting the ball after the half and viewing that as a 'turnover' was perhaps misstated a bit- getting the ball after the half DOES create the possibility that a team could effectively get two consecutive possessions, which doesn't happen in football other than following a turnover. There's no guarantee that deferring results in that scenario, however.

 

But, I think the greater point is accurate- if, following the game play of the first half, you end up trailing and with the ball late in the half, you have the unique opportunity to cut into a lead by having the chance to score twice consecutively to get back into the game. I think what was misstated was that there is literally zero guarantee that you either A)score on either of the possessions, let alone both, and B)that you're the team with the ball late in the half. But, the opportunity for the scenario to play out is indeed there.

[PeaveyFury]

With regard to sacks, I think one key has been the number of short passes and play-action passes. Rodgers used to be famous for standing back there for 5+seconds waiting for someone to open up. MLF has finally convinced him to play the short game more often, so defenses are getting less of a chance to T-off on him.

 

I think this is a very good point. He seems very willing to take the 3-7 yard check-down this year vs. holding for a bigger play.

[Fear The Chorizo]

With regard to sacks, I think one key has been the number of short passes and play-action passes. Rodgers used to be famous for standing back there for 5+seconds waiting for someone to open up. MLF has finally convinced him to play the short game more often, so defenses are getting less of a chance to T-off on him.

 

I think this is a very good point. He seems very willing to take the 3-7 yard check-down this year vs. holding for a bigger play.

 

Not only that, but they've moved towards using multiple personnel groupings on drives and gotten away from the 3WR/1TE/1RB combo they leaned on towards the end of McCarthy's tenure, where it seemed like Rodgers was constantly looking to catch a defense substituting to get free plays and stayed in a delayed no-huddle where they became predictable. Once the talent level dropped on the outside, receivers struggled to win 1-on-1 battles running vanilla routes, and Rodgers almost had to buy enough time for the play to break down in order for guys to get open. Many plays and formations now require Rodgers to get the ball out quickly, and it seems like ARod has bought into that given how good his RBs and now TEs are in space.

 

Seems like they are rushing up to the line much less, yet still playing at a faster tempo than a few years ago when formations were stationary and routes were predictable.

[PeaveyFury]

Seems like they are rushing up to the line much less, yet still playing at a faster tempo than a few years ago when formations were stationary and routes were predictable.

 

Interesting that you mention this, as it caught my eye last night and I paid attention to it as a result. It seems like when Aaron does rush to the line, it's specifically following a short yardage conversion. Smart, as you'd expect that's when a defense is likely to be subbing out 'jumbo' personnel of an extra lineman or linebacker to bring a DB back in shifting from run focus to pass focus.

[brewcrewdue80]

On the 57yd run, I can only think Kirksey and I think it was Martin? One of them ran the equivalent of a WR running the wrong route. Theres just no way both make their first step in the opposite direction of the 4v1 hole that was about to be punched. About the only call I can think of designed like that is the red zone let them score defense to give the offense time to have the ball back.

It reminded me of playing days of Madden where Id move the DL and LB to rush on outside on a passing down.

 

I am pleased on the game yesterday. Wasn't a let down for 2nd half. Good overall game to build experience on. Runyan may just be the pick of the Packers 2020 draft. Loved seeing him on a run block throw Trevathon to the ground.

 

Listening to Tony Dungy wow a good 6times on Rodgers throws and play has to be special. We're so accustomed to how well he plays over the years, you get taken a back that this play or that play wowed him?

 

Tonyan is interesting to me. So when GB drafted Sternberger, I assumed Jace would become the passing threat and Tonyan would be the blocking TE. It's the opposite. Love how he's become somebody the defense has to consider prepping for. All but locked up the Central last night. Just stay healthy, and I like looking ahead to the playoffs. Lot of experience to be gained these 5 games to learn from. Such as what that 57yd run given up was a result of. Runyan gets.more experience even Jenkins at Center. Go Pack Go.

[FVBrewerFan]

This is why team stats are so meaningless in the NFL.

 

Any statistic needs to be considered with a certain degree of context, some moreso than others.

 

Which do you think are meaningless?

 

All of them. An NFL season is such a small sample to begin with. Then you have games where the other team is real banged up, plays their best game, plays their worst game, etc. Extreme example is playing a team without a QB. But even a situation like playing the Bears without Hicks skews your offensive numbers, especially rushing.

 

Most of all the though, game situation dictates so much. That entire 2nd half inflated the Beards offense and hammered the Packers defensive numbers. All because they were smart and sat some people. So you had Lancaster and Lowry in there rushing the passer.

 

Due to the sample size of 16, all these things don't even out the way they do over the course of an NBA or MLB season.

[homer]

I think something like DVOA takes that sort of variance into account.

[sveumrules]

This is why team stats are so meaningless in the NFL.

 

Any statistic needs to be considered with a certain degree of context, some moreso than others.

 

Which do you think are meaningless?

 

All of them. An NFL season is such a small sample to begin with. Then you have games where the other team is real banged up, plays their best game, plays their worst game, etc. Extreme example is playing a team without a QB. But even a situation like playing the Bears without Hicks skews your offensive numbers, especially rushing.

 

Most of all the though, game situation dictates so much. That entire 2nd half inflated the Beards offense and hammered the Packers defensive numbers. All because they were smart and sat some people. So you had Lancaster and Lowry in there rushing the passer.

 

Due to the sample size of 16, all these things don't even out the way they do over the course of an NBA or MLB season.

 

The Bears had 166 yards/10 points in the first half versus 156 yards/15 points in the 2nd half, five more points and ten less yards is hammering?

[homer]

On the 57yd run, I can only think Kirksey and I think it was Martin? One of them ran the equivalent of a WR running the wrong route. Theres just no way both make their first step in the opposite direction of the 4v1 hole that was about to be punched. About the only call I can think of designed like that is the red zone let them score defense to give the offense time to have the ball back.

It reminded me of playing days of Madden where Id move the DL and LB to rush on outside on a passing down.

 

Yeah that had to be the wrong alignment.

[CheezWizHed]

On the 57yd run, I can only think Kirksey and I think it was Martin? One of them ran the equivalent of a WR running the wrong route. Theres just no way both make their first step in the opposite direction of the 4v1 hole that was about to be punched. About the only call I can think of designed like that is the red zone let them score defense to give the offense time to have the ball back.

It reminded me of playing days of Madden where Id move the DL and LB to rush on outside on a passing down.

 

Yeah that had to be the wrong alignment.

 

I finally watched the game last night (listened to it on Sunday). Martin was held on this play as he was trying to get to the hole. Without the hold, he has a shot at the RB (though still not in the best position). No idea what Kirksey was doing - he was outside the box completely; outside the LT.