Blake Snell

[Eye Black]

Death, Taxes, and the Rays trading their stars for surplus value.

 

Via MLB Trade Rumors: Rays Reportedly Open To Blake Snell Trade

 

To be fair, the report is actually just that they’re open to discussing him in a trade, no indication that they are likely to trade him.

[wibadgers23]

We might not have the prospects to get it done but I wouldn’t mind trading for Snell and then trading Hader to help replenish what we gave up to get Snell.

[TURBO]

We might not have the prospects to get it done but I wouldn’t mind trading for Snell and then trading Hader to help replenish what we gave up to get Snell.

 

I would think Hader would be involved for any trade to get Snell.

[wibadgers23]

Well that would make sense too. Who else do you think would have to be involved on the Brewers end?

[ThisIsMyCrew]

As fun of a rotation of Woody, Burnes and Snell would be. I don’t know if that’s the best route for Hader. Plus Rays would only be saving a few million. Their philosophy is for prospects.

 

If they wanted to trade some guys like Tourang, Ashby, etc I could see it. But Hader is going to get expensive quickly for the Rays.

 

We need offense more anyway. Team looking to shed payroll is the Indians. Wonder if they would part with Jose Ramirez and his team friendly deal?

[Simba2020]

I would agree that the Rays trading for Hader wouldn't make much sense from their point of view. Shedding money is what they are all about. Williams would be a much more likely person of interest to them. If a trade were to include Hader it would probably have to be some type of 3-team trade where Hader would end up somewhere other than Tampa.

[JohnBriggs12]

The Rays could save money by taking Hader then trading him after this season and still getting a quality prospect or two. Their bullpen is pretty strong, but they could deal another of their pen pieces. I can't see them trading Snell and not getting at least one player back that can help them in 2021.

 

Snell could be a game changer for Brewers. What's behind Woodruff and Burnes doesn't scare anyone. Throw in Lauer and a decent prospect with Hader.

[monty57]

Snell has three relatively inexpensive ($11.1M, $13.1M, $16M) years of control. Hader is not going to be close to enough to bring Snell back. Plus, Hader doesn't seem like the guy the Rays would target. If they were looking for an MLB piece back, Hiura would be around the right value, or they could look at a package of Williams along with something like Turang or Lutz and another prospect in the Small/Ashby range. I don't think we'll trade Hiura with our offensive struggles, so the latter seems more realistic.

[brewcrewdue80]

Well, sounds like Mariners have an interest in Snell. Suggested cost 1 of Kyle Lewis, Jarred Kelenic, or Julio Rodriguez for Headline. So about that Seattle rebuild?

 

I don't see where Milwaukee can come up to beat that for a headline offer.

[Vollbc74]

Would Hiura & Small get you Snell?

 

I know giving up O seems counter-intuitive, but paired with a Hader trade for bats it could work.

 

Urias moves to 2B, Snell/Woodruff/Burnes anchor your rotation for the next 3 years, & Hader trade can focus on an impact bat.

[wibadgers23]

Would Hiura & Small get you Snell?

 

I know giving up O seems counter-intuitive, but paired with a Hader trade for bats it could work.

 

Urias moves to 2B, Snell/Woodruff/Burnes anchor your rotation for the next 3 years, & Hader trade can focus on an impact bat.

 

I think that gets it done. I would hate having to trade one of our top pitching prospects along with Hiura but I understand Tampa would want a high end pitching prospect back in any trade with Snell. I wonder if Hiura & Antoine Kelly would get it done? And I agree, you then trade Hader for a bat or two.

[HiAndTight]

Snell has three relatively inexpensive ($11.1M, $13.1M, $16M) years of control. Hader is not going to be close to enough to bring Snell back. Plus, Hader doesn't seem like the guy the Rays would target. If they were looking for an MLB piece back, Hiura would be around the right value, or they could look at a package of Williams along with something like Turang or Lutz and another prospect in the Small/Ashby range. I don't think we'll trade Hiura with our offensive struggles, so the latter seems more realistic.

 

 

I'd be on board with trading Williams at this point. I have a hard time seeing his value going any higher and I think we've got a lot of really good young relievers coming up. Turang though is the one guy I hope we hold onto. I think Turang's got a high ceiling and will move fast.

[pacopete4]

Brewers Gets: Kiermaier ($24M over the next two seasons) and Snell

Tampa Gets: Garcia ($11M in 2021), Hader, and a prospect or two.

[MNBrew]

Brewers Gets: Kiermaier ($24M over the next two seasons) and Snell

Tampa Gets: Garcia ($11M in 2021), Hader, and a prospect or two.

I'm not crazy about seeking Hader trade ideas, and I think uncertainty at the back end of the bullpen can undo a team's confidence in a hurry, but this idea makes some sense to me. I'd guess that at least one of the prospects needs to be pretty consequential.

[brewcrewdue80]

Brewers Gets: Kiermaier ($24M over the next two seasons) and Snell

Tampa Gets: Garcia ($11M in 2021), Hader, and a prospect or two.

 

Understand the dynamics of this. Kiermaier and Garcia have basically the same contract. Garcia may bring more offense but Kiermaier has more value defensively. So Hader-Snell swap is a poor trade valuing a RP and SP when cost to production can be met more easily by Snell than Hader. Brewers would have to part with Mitchell, a SP prospect and seeing how promising Hedbert Perez sounds him as well. Every weakness Milw had last season-Offense is worse and the minors are weakened to produce a needed bat. Add the strongest trade asset team has to get a bat is gone as well in this deal. Tampa won't do this without the highest regarded Milw prospects included.(and or 4-8mil) payroll for Garcia.

[pacopete4]

Brewers Gets: Kiermaier ($24M over the next two seasons) and Snell

Tampa Gets: Garcia ($11M in 2021), Hader, and a prospect or two.

 

Understand the dynamics of this. Kiermaier and Garcia have basically the same contract. Garcia may bring more offense but Kiermaier has more value defensively. So Hader-Snell swap is a poor trade valuing a RP and SP when cost to production can be met more easily by Snell than Hader. Brewers would have to part with Mitchell, a SP prospect and seeing how promising Hedbert Perez sounds him as well. Every weakness Milw had last season-Offense is worse and the minors are weakened to produce a needed bat. Add the strongest trade asset team has to get a bat is gone as well in this deal. Tampa won't do this without the highest regarded Milw prospects included.(and or 4-8mil) payroll for Garcia.

 

Hard to understand the dynamics when you start off with an error in saying that Garcia and Kiermaier have the same contracts.

[wntrtxn21]

Brewers Gets: Kiermaier ($24M over the next two seasons) and Snell

Tampa Gets: Garcia ($11M in 2021), Hader, and a prospect or two.

I'm not crazy about seeking Hader trade ideas, and I think uncertainty at the back end of the bullpen can undo a team's confidence in a hurry, but this idea makes some sense to me. I'd guess that at least one of the prospects needs to be pretty consequential.

 

IF the Brewers are truly cutting payroll, how does this make sense? 2021 the Brewers are adding at least $6-7M (Kiermaier & Snell minus Hader & Garcia)and over $25M in 2022. Plus they still have monsterous holes at 1B and 3B and their major trade chip is now gone.

[Jopal78]

The Brewers have one player (Mitchell) in the Top 100 prospects. Moreover they do not have any minor leaguers who project as contributors in 2021.

 

That alone tells you they are not a match for Tampa (or really any teams looking to swap veterans for minor leaguers).

 

Sure, they could try to trade Hader (their best trade chip) for Snell but that only subtracts from the bullpen in order to add to the rotation which isn’t really an area of need in the first place, making it incredibly unlikely.

[wibadgers23]

Since we don’t have the prospects to get it done I think this is where a Hiura for Snell swap makes sense. I know we would be subtracting from an already anemic offense but we could do SOME things in free agency and there’s always a potential Hader trade that would bring in a couple of bats. Stearns and Arnold would have to get creative for sure. The next question would be does it make sense for Tampa?

[brewcrewdue80]

Brewers Gets: Kiermaier ($24M over the next two seasons) and Snell

Tampa Gets: Garcia ($11M in 2021), Hader, and a prospect or two.

 

Understand the dynamics of this. Kiermaier and Garcia have basically the same contract. Garcia may bring more offense but Kiermaier has more value defensively. So Hader-Snell swap is a poor trade valuing a RP and SP when cost to production can be met more easily by Snell than Hader. Brewers would have to part with Mitchell, a SP prospect and seeing how promising Hedbert Perez sounds him as well. Every weakness Milw had last season-Offense is worse and the minors are weakened to produce a needed bat. Add the strongest trade asset team has to get a bat is gone as well in this deal. Tampa won't do this without the highest regarded Milw prospects included.(and or 4-8mil) payroll for Garcia.

 

Hard to understand the dynamics when you start off with an error in saying that Garcia and Kiermaier have the same contracts.

 

The cost for Tampa and Milw is virtually the same. Garcia's buyout makes his total just under 13mil 1 year from now.

 

Now if Tampa picks up Garcia's option while Milw doesn't pick up Kiermaier's it's about 1mil difference on cost. That is why I'm calling it virtually same.

Tampa will do a whole better than this offer while reducing their payroll.

[Jopal78]

Tampa already had Garcia and made no effort to resign him. Why would they want him back?

[brewerfan82]

Tampa already had Garcia and made no effort to resign him. Why would they want him back?

A quick Google search seems to contradict this:

 

- https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1904963

- https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2019/12/17/rays-officially-add-yoshitomo-tsutsugo-lose-avisail-garcia-to-brewers/

[pacopete4]

The cost for Tampa and Milw is virtually the same. Garcia's buyout makes his total just under 13mil 1 year from now.

 

Now if Tampa picks up Garcia's option while Milw doesn't pick up Kiermaier's it's about 1mil difference on cost. That is why I'm calling it virtually same.

Tampa will do a whole better than this offer while reducing their payroll.

 

Your last line might be correct but your just flat out wrong with the numbers. It’d be $26 million over the next two seasons to Kiermaier and $12.5 million to Garcia next season when you factor in all buyouts.

 

So right off the bat they’d be saving $13.5 million with that trade off on top of not paying Snell $49 million over the next 3-seasons. $52.5 million to a team like Tampa isn’t nothing. Like I said, other pieces would need to be include but it’s not something that couldn’t be done. Especially when considering Hiura or possibly Hader.

[TURBO]

Tampa already had Garcia and made no effort to resign him. Why would they want him back?

A quick Google search seems to contradict this:

 

- https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1904963

- https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2019/12/17/rays-officially-add-yoshitomo-tsutsugo-lose-avisail-garcia-to-brewers/

 

It's too damn bad we "won" him...

[trwi7]

Tampa already had Garcia and made no effort to resign him. Why would they want him back?

A quick Google search seems to contradict this:

 

- https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1904963

- https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2019/12/17/rays-officially-add-yoshitomo-tsutsugo-lose-avisail-garcia-to-brewers/

 

But the key point.

 

The Rays had interest in retaining Garcia, but not at that amount.

 

If they didn't want him at that amount coming off a good season, they aren't going to want him at that amount coming off the season he just had and certainly not with Snell going the other way.