Wisconsin Basketball Thread 2020 - 21

[young guns]

How would that work for redshirts that stay all 5 years?

[homer]

I am totally fine with the state of the UW program.

[Mr Southpaw]

How would that work for redshirts that stay all 5 years?

 

Being they stayed for the entire length (plus 1), there would be no lose of scholarship. Only when they leave early does the school get penalized.

[Samurai Bucky]

I am totally fine with the state of the UW program.

While I would like to see them get more championships in FB and BB, I remind myself of Don Morton and Steve Yoder. Then, I'm happy as a clam. My years at Madison in the late 80's were terrible... that is except for HOCKEY!!!!!!!

 

On, Wisconsin!!!!

[DuWayne Steurer]

I am totally fine with the state of the UW program.

 

Same. Until the landscape of college sports changes in some fundamental way, us regularly making (and winning) NY6 bowls and making the sweet 16 is the Badgers "championship". We're not Bama, Ohio State, Duke or Kentucky. Tilting against that windmill year after year and wishing or demanding that it was different is an exercise in disappointment.

 

It'd be great if the Badgers climbed that mountain and made the playoffs or won a National title in basketball (so close!), but if they don't, and I suspect they won't in my lifetime, I'm not going to stop being a fan because the deck is stacked against them. I like college sports. I choose to remain a fan, knowing that the landscape is unfair for most programs. It is what it is.

[CheezWizHed]

I do wonder what happened to our hockey teams....

 

But yeah, in general, I think we are in a good spot. No matter what the rules, people will find loop-holes to exploit the system if you are ethically handicapped.

[LouisEly]

Until the landscape of college sports changes in some fundamental way, us regularly making (and winning) NY6 bowls and making the sweet 16 is the Badgers "championship". We're not Bama, Ohio State, Duke or Kentucky. Tilting against that windmill year after year and wishing or demanding that it was different is an exercise in disappointment.

That, and UW will need to change their academic entrance requirements and allow minimum NCAA qualifiers.

 

However, that has a tendency to mean less quality people, and I've been very pleased with how seldom I've heard about players getting in trouble recently. Don't need any more Jael Speight's, Kraig Appleton's, or Marcus Randle-El's; downtown/State Street has had enough problems the last few years. Was Dominic Cizauskas (2013, who technically wasn't a player, just a recruit) the last serious incident (found guilty)?

[wildcat83]

UW signed another 2021 recruit today. Kid from Estonia that has only played two years of high school ball here. Tape looks really good. Maybe Covid kept him from getting discovered.

 

Saw that Dekker played with him overseas. I'm guessing there was a connection there that helped get him to UW.

[BillScottCanRake]

I saw Steve Yoder's name mentioned, and I think he's a bit under-appreciated for his role in helping Wisconsin to the place they are now. I admit to some bias, because Yoder coached the teams of my youth, so take this with a grain of salt.

 

While he didn't have the success the coaches after him did, he did have more success than most of the guys before him, especially at the end of his time at Wisconsin. The 1989 team broke the 47-year postseason drought, beat a number of top 5 teams, and was probably 1 win away from an NCAA bid. In his last 5 or 6 seasons he had Danny Jones, Trent Jackson, Willie Simms, Tracey Webster, and Michael Finley. The talent he left for Stu Jackson, along with Rashard Griffith, got things rolling, and Dick Bennett and Bo Ryan took the next steps.

 

For those who are a bit older than me, how did Bill Cofield's teams not win more? You would think having future NBA players on your roster would get you more than one .500 season.

[OldHeidelberg]

UW signed another 2021 recruit today. Kid from Estonia that has only played two years of high school ball here. Tape looks really good. Maybe Covid kept him from getting discovered.

 

Missed this he sounds like a good Badger prospect. Caught this on an article on him:

 

He held offers from Nebraska, VCU, Xavier, George Mason, Utah and a host of other mid-majors.

[homer]

I saw Steve Yoder's name mentioned, and I think he's a bit under-appreciated for his role in helping Wisconsin to the place they are now. I admit to some bias, because Yoder coached the teams of my youth, so take this with a grain of salt.

 

While he didn't have the success the coaches after him did, he did have more success than most of the guys before him, especially at the end of his time at Wisconsin. The 1989 team broke the 47-year postseason drought, beat a number of top 5 teams, and was probably 1 win away from an NCAA bid. In his last 5 or 6 seasons he had Danny Jones, Trent Jackson, Willie Simms, Tracey Webster, and Michael Finley. The talent he left for Stu Jackson, along with Rashard Griffith, got things rolling, and Dick Bennett and Bo Ryan took the next steps.

 

For those who are a bit older than me, how did Bill Cofield's teams not win more? You would think having future NBA players on your roster would get you more than one .500 season.

 

I'd have to ask my brothers but it was a timing thing I believe. They had three guys from the 81 - 82 team play in the NBA but they were all freshmen in 81-82. In 82 - 83 they had the same guys but that was Yoder's first year but still there was a lot of talent. Not sure what happened there. Then Sellers transferred to Ohio State the next year. They were 15 - 14 in 79 - 80 when they had Claude Gregory and Wes Matthews Sr. but then Matthews left early after that season to go pro. Had he stayed they probably would have been better in 80 - 81. Then Gregory graduated and the aforementioned freshmen class came in.

[HiAndTight]

 

I don't exactly know what you are talking about, but this is what I think...... If the school giving a scholarship loses the scholarship for the entire four year period, it would even things out a little bit. I don't know how many early entrants Alabama will have this year into the NFL... probably 5-8. If they lost those 5 scholarships for the entire four years, it would hurt a little bit. Same thing with Duke and Kentucky in BB. Just my thoughts

 

 

Yeah, but now you're punishing the school for the decision of the player to stop playing football.

 

When I said to guarantee the 4-year scholarship, I meant to guarantee it so long as the player wanted it.

 

I don't think you can make a strong argument that it'd be fair to punish the school if the player turned pro, quit, got into trouble...etc...

[HiAndTight]

How would that work for redshirts that stay all 5 years?

 

I think they should be guaranteed until they use up their eligibility. I just threw in 4 years, but I do mean the entire time they're eligible to play for the program.

[yourout]

This team has given up more layups in the last two game then the previous 10.

[yourout]

Brutal minutes from Anderson before half.

[yourout]

I'm not sure this team will finish 500 in the big ten.

[areacodes]

I'm not sure this team will finish 500 in the big ten.

 

Why?

[yourout]

I'm not sure this team will finish 500 in the big ten.

 

Why?

 

It was my reverse jinx effort for the night.

[Oxy]

That was about as Badger of a win as a team could Badger. Road wins in the B1G--even in years w/o crowds--should never be taken for granted, particularly in a year where nearly every B1G team is a Tournament team.

 

UW shot poorly on the road and gave up a ridiculous amount of offensive rebounds....and won against a decent team. It's not a coincidence that this "happens" to UW somewhat frequently. Defense wins championships.

[MrTPlush]

Scoring down low in the paint is usually a recipe for a championship. I’m not really convinced the Badgers possess that, at least not in a dominant way that will get them deep into the tournament.

 

Yesterday I was telling someone how it was surprising with all the experience on the team how bad the guards are at driving to the basket. In all honesty they rarely attempt it and prefer 3s or lower percent 2s. Always thought Davison would have been an absolute stud by the time he was a senior, especially going towards the basket.

 

The talent and experience should make them a good threat to win it all or go deep into the tourney. However, the actual play on the court doesn’t quite match up...yet at least.

[Mr Southpaw]

 

I don't exactly know what you are talking about, but this is what I think...... If the school giving a scholarship loses the scholarship for the entire four year period, it would even things out a little bit. I don't know how many early entrants Alabama will have this year into the NFL... probably 5-8. If they lost those 5 scholarships for the entire four years, it would hurt a little bit. Same thing with Duke and Kentucky in BB. Just my thoughts

 

 

Yeah, but now you're punishing the school for the decision of the player to stop playing football.

 

When I said to guarantee the 4-year scholarship, I meant to guarantee it so long as the player wanted it.

 

I don't think you can make a strong argument that it'd be fair to punish the school if the player turned pro, quit, got into trouble...etc...

 

Why not. Scholarships are an incentive to the student athlete to go to a particular institution. Why doesn't it make sense that the scholarship stays with the student athlete for the four or five years they are completing their degree. It would be hard to argue that Kentucky did not know what they where getting when they signed Tyler Herro a couple of years ago. One and done, right!

 

On the other side of the equation, I don't see why these institutions of higher learning should be used as minor leagues for the NBA, NFL or any other pro league by the student athlete. It would be hard to argue that Tyler Herro did not know his future intentions when he sighed with Kentucky. One and one, right. Maybe two and done. There was always the G League/Europe for Tyler to do his thing. He would have still ended up as a first rounder. I think the NFL should create their own G League and stop using the NCAA as a minor league.

 

My whole point here is to say when you sign a contract for four years, shouldn't you honor that contract for four years? The institution should give the scholarship freely for four years to the athlete to complete college studies in return for the student athlete giving four or five years on athletic participation. I my example of Kentucky/Herro both sides of the equation knew how the each other where acting.....with less than average integrity. Both sides broke there four year commitment to each other willingly and in your face. Look at it this way, Herro would be helping Kentucky as a Junior this year to a much better record if he was faced to honor his contract. Why did Kentucky let him go? It is just what college sports has become...a severe lack of integrity by both institution and student athlete.

 

Last thought....Make the institution and the athlete honor their contract. Make college sports what they are suppose to be....sports of college student athletes.

[Oxy]

You can argue that Scholarships SHOULD be 4/5 year commitments, but the fact of the matter is that they are NOT. They are year-to-year agreements. Pretty plain and simple. I don't have a big problem with basketball's system--at least in regards to draft eligibility. It finally blew up in the face of Kentucky this year, and it generally benefits developmental programs like Wisconsin.

[MrTPlush]

Michigan’s is getting absolutely destroyed by Minnesota

[homer]

Michigan’s is getting absolutely destroyed by Minnesota

 

And Illinois got trucked at home.

 

B1G is weird this year.

[wildcat83]

Wahl in the starting lineup tonight in Reuvers spot.