2020 Miscellaneous College Football News

[MadThinker88]

so Dabo......about the Big 10 only having the 11th best team in the county at the end of the regular season....

 

I think you need to revise your evaluation process!!!!

[young guns]

Another year, another semifinal round with two blowouts. Increasing the number of teams in the playoff will not provide more realistic chances, or add anything to the entertainment value. The talent gap between 1-4 is just too large. More teams won’t change that.

I disagree. If it had been Clemson blowing out Ohio st, maybe you'd have an argument, but everything that I saw going into the game was could Ohio st keep up with Clemson, Ohio st didn't belong, and they struggled against Indiana and Northwestern. Florida held it close against bama in the sec championship then got blown out by Oklahoma, though they were depleted. Does that mean they weren't that good or that Oklahoma should have been 4 and could have beaten bama? Cincinnati almost beat Georgia. Are they that good or did Georgia not really care? Sure maybe the top 4 would have all won in blowouts and we would have gotten this result eventually anyway, but I doubt it. I want to see 8 get in so we can sort it out without having to worry about things like did we make a mistake by putting 2 teams in from this conference and leaving out teams from these conferences.

[PinaMadness]

Another year, another semifinal round with two blowouts. Increasing the number of teams in the playoff will not provide more realistic chances, or add anything to the entertainment value. The talent gap between 1-4 is just too large. More teams won’t change that.

I disagree. If it had been Clemson blowing out Ohio st, maybe you'd have an argument, but everything that I saw going into the game was could Ohio st keep up with Clemson, Ohio st didn't belong, and they struggled against Indiana and Northwestern. Florida held it close against bama in the sec championship then got blown out by Oklahoma, though they were depleted. Does that mean they weren't that good or that Oklahoma should have been 4 and could have beaten bama? Cincinnati almost beat Georgia. Are they that good or did Georgia not really care? Sure maybe the top 4 would have all won in blowouts and we would have gotten this result eventually anyway, but I doubt it. I want to see 8 get in so we can sort it out without having to worry about things like did we make a mistake by putting 2 teams in from this conference and leaving out teams from these conferences.

You sure about adding 4 teams worse than Notre Dame to the playoff every year?

[Fear The Chorizo]

so Dabo......about the Big 10 only having the 11th best team in the county at the end of the regular season....

 

I think you need to revise your evaluation process!!!!

 

In fairness to Dabo his point wasn't that OSU wasn't a team talented enough to win it all....they didn't play near a full season slate of games.

 

What this cfp crap has done has given Alabama, Clemson, and OSU and even larger advantage with recruiting that they frankly don't need - everyone knows they will be in the mix, so the best talent flocks to those programs from all over the country - including from the backyards of the big 12 and pac 12 schools that are becoming afterthoughts. Its made the talent gap enormous to the point of it not being worth expanding the playoff field because everyone knows the 2-3 teams that have the most talent. Because of that, opportunity shrinks for other conferences to prove they have teams worthy of playing on that stage.

 

What the bcs format did better than this is put much more weight into schedule strength and gave teams from more regions a chance to move into position when the top schools lost a game. The SEC had the built in advantage (deservedly so) once Alabama became the current juggernaut of having an almost automatic bid for the title game - but it wasn't too long ago when the best title game ever played (IMO) occurred between Texas and USC and that had nothing to do with an SEC school.

 

I'd still personally prefer to go back to the old bowl system and have a series of polls determine their national champs individually than the current 4 team playoff or an expanded one given the current landscape. Right now we basically do have a superconference being bama/sec west, Ohio state, and Clemson - and its hurting the game.

[JosephC]

If Ohio State (Big 10 associated with FOX) upsets Alabama (SEC associated with ESPN), get ready for at least a month of non-stop talk about how Ohio State only had to play 7 cupcake games, mostly against a very weak Big 10 with Michigan and Penn State being down, while Alabama had to play 12 games in the brutal SEC and how unfair the entire system was.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

If Ohio State (Big 10 associated with FOX) upsets Alabama (SEC associated with ESPN), get ready for at least a month of non-stop talk about how Ohio State only had to play 7 cupcake games, mostly against a very weak Big 10 with Michigan and Penn State being down, while Alabama had to play 12 games in the brutal SEC and how unfair the entire system was.

 

Imagine being an Alabama apologist. That's like rooting for the house at a casino.

[Fear The Chorizo]

If Ohio State (Big 10 associated with FOX) upsets Alabama (SEC associated with ESPN), get ready for at least a month of non-stop talk about how Ohio State only had to play 7 cupcake games, mostly against a very weak Big 10 with Michigan and Penn State being down, while Alabama had to play 12 games in the brutal SEC and how unfair the entire system was.

 

Aside from Alabama, the entire SEC was also down in a big way by their standards....like the ACC is down besides Clemson (ND second best team but no way they beat Clemson without half their roster being out earlier this year). but agreed on the point you are making.

[young guns]

You sure about adding 4 teams worse than Notre Dame to the playoff every year?

My point is how do you know they are worse? What I want is for them to prove it. I don't want a conference champion ignored because it's perceived that their conference isn't good. Is ND better than Oklahoma, Oregon/USC, or A&M? I don't think so. I didn't think so after the ACC championship game. Can a team like Cincinnati hang with a team like bama, probably not, but I still think it would be fun to give them a shot. Call it a gift to the non power 5 and a pseudo bye for the 1 seed, I don't care. In the end I think it would be great for college football for players to know they have a chance even if they don't go play at the top 3. I just want a trial. Give me 2 or 3 years and if all 4 of those games are the top 4 blowing out the bottom 4 then we can go back. Heck, it would probably be a ratings boost. You telling me you wouldn't tune in to root for Cincinnati to beat Alabama?

[owbc]

You telling me you wouldn't tune in to root for Cincinnati to beat Alabama?

 

The whole point of the current system is to deny the non-power 5 schools the chance to

[HiAndTight]

so Dabo......about the Big 10 only having the 11th best team in the county at the end of the regular season....

 

I think you need to revise your evaluation process!!!!

 

In fairness to Dabo his point wasn't that OSU wasn't a team talented enough to win it all....they didn't play near a full season slate of games.

 

What this cfp crap has done has given Alabama, Clemson, and OSU and even larger advantage with recruiting that they frankly don't need - everyone knows they will be in the mix, so the best talent flocks to those programs from all over the country - including from the backyards of the big 12 and pac 12 schools that are becoming afterthoughts. Its made the talent gap enormous to the point of it not being worth expanding the playoff field because everyone knows the 2-3 teams that have the most talent. Because of that, opportunity shrinks for other conferences to prove they have teams worthy of playing on that stage.

 

What the bcs format did better than this is put much more weight into schedule strength and gave teams from more regions a chance to move into position when the top schools lost a game. The SEC had the built in advantage (deservedly so) once Alabama became the current juggernaut of having an almost automatic bid for the title game - but it wasn't too long ago when the best title game ever played (IMO) occurred between Texas and USC and that had nothing to do with an SEC school.

 

I'd still personally prefer to go back to the old bowl system and have a series of polls determine their national champs individually than the current 4 team playoff or an expanded one given the current landscape. Right now we basically do have a superconference being bama/sec west, Ohio state, and Clemson - and its hurting the game.

 

 

I disagree. At least in this system, you won't get a split Champion like the year LSU and USC were clearly the top 2 teams but didn't play each other.

 

And you've always had a disparity in recruiting. It's actually gotten better, not worse in my opinion. You only get 85 scholarships. Bear Bryant used to fill his rosters with 250 players just to keep top prospects away from his competition and schools like ND, Neb, USC, they were all just as dominant.

 

Oregon and Washington have both played in the playoffs in recent years giving their programs opportunities to contend. There's really no excuse for schools like Texas and USC to not be competitive other than incompetence(and impatience.)

 

But before you had the playoff, you had the same dominance. FSU finished in the top 4....what, 17 straight years. Florida won several titles as did Miami. Nebraska went on one of the most dominant 3 year runs in modern history.

 

 

College Football will always be top-heavy. It's not an equitable system. Wisconsin cannot spend the same as OSU much less a team like A&M or Texas, Alabama, and then there are just the inherent advantages that come with recruiting based on region. I don't see how the playoff has changed anything other than ensuring the top 4 teams make it.

[HiAndTight]

Another year, another semifinal round with two blowouts. Increasing the number of teams in the playoff will not provide more realistic chances, or add anything to the entertainment value. The talent gap between 1-4 is just too large. More teams won’t change that.

I disagree. If it had been Clemson blowing out Ohio st, maybe you'd have an argument, but everything that I saw going into the game was could Ohio st keep up with Clemson, Ohio st didn't belong, and they struggled against Indiana and Northwestern. Florida held it close against bama in the sec championship then got blown out by Oklahoma, though they were depleted. Does that mean they weren't that good or that Oklahoma should have been 4 and could have beaten bama? Cincinnati almost beat Georgia. Are they that good or did Georgia not really care? Sure maybe the top 4 would have all won in blowouts and we would have gotten this result eventually anyway, but I doubt it. I want to see 8 get in so we can sort it out without having to worry about things like did we make a mistake by putting 2 teams in from this conference and leaving out teams from these conferences.

You sure about adding 4 teams worse than Notre Dame to the playoff every year?

 

 

I think you could make a pretty strong argument that teams like GA, Cincy, A&M, Florida are at least as good as ND. And if they're playing in a playoff, you wouldn't see all the NFL talent opting out.

 

Cincy vs Alabama at least provides the potential for a Boise St-Okie matchup type game. Oklahoma was probably one of the 2-3 best teams in CFB that year losing two early-season games, one to Oregon(that got the crew reffing the game suspended they blew it so badly) and Texas.

[brewcrewdue80]

Make CFB Playoffs 7 teams. Conference Champ of Power-5 and 2 at large with a caveat. Any non power-5 team that goes undefeated receives those at large spots. If more than 2 simply taking 2 highest ranked then. Don't want to be left out by an undefeated non-power 5, schedule them. Don't sit there playing a northern Illinois or UL-Monroe cakewalk pseudo bye week.

 

Being #1 rank gives you a bye and you reset the next week to have 1 play worst remaining seed.

 

Another idea of mine was for the power 5 conferences themselves to vote what team they wanted to represent them in the playoffs. Screw what the Committee determines and/or a bad loss. Say 2 teams didn't meet(Penn St.-Ohio St few years back) in conference play, it'll be on the conference who goes and who doesn't. The conference just sends who they think will best represent them at that moment. (Say a major injury occured to winning team of conf champ game or suspension)

 

If an at large isn't filled by an undefeated non power 5, the CFP committee finally has a say who plays. Snub arguments left to 2 spots max only.

[nodakfan17]

Graham Harrell is apparently a finalist for the Boise State HC opening.

[homer]

Watching this OSU Alabama game and I'm going to say something controversial: I think Wisconsin needs some more speed at the skill positions.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Pretty sure the only way to improve the current system is for the AFC south to add Alabama into their division. Its gotten to the point where their dominance is like the Wooden era was with college basketball at UCLA.

[JackNicholson1974]

Watching this game makes me not care much if Wisconsin ever makes into the BCS playoff. Alabama is just always going to be a borderline professional team.

[CheezWizHed]

Promote Alabama to the NFL. Demote the Jacksonville to the SEC.

[GAME05]

Alabama. Yawn.

 

Really looking forward to next year, though. I wonder who will make the Playoffs?

[owbc]

Alabama. Yawn.

 

Really looking forward to next year, though. I wonder who will make the Playoffs?

 

That won't stop the endless media blitz of "Can team X make the playoffs?"

 

We'll see what the TV ratings look like, but judging by the semifinal there isn't any motivation to change things. Alabama crushing Notre Dame is going to draw way better ratings than Alabama crushing some other mediocre school with less fans.

[wallus]

The only way to get things on a more fair level is to actually care about these schools paying players.

[nodakfan17]

The only way to get things on a more fair level is to actually care about these schools paying players.

Actually, I think you could reduce the number of scholarships offered by each program from 85 to some number <85. Right now, a small number of schools are hoarding 4 and 5-star recruits on their benches. If the NCAA desired parity (which they probably don’t), this would help spread out the elite recruits over more programs. Naturally, the dominant programs would object and say you’re taking away educational opportunities from people who may need them the most. This could be countered by offering additional scholarships for support staff or grad school vouchers for athletes who complete their degrees but have few pro opportunities. That being said, this will never happen.

[owbc]

The only way to get things on a more fair level is to actually care about these schools paying players.

Actually, I think you could reduce the number of scholarships offered by each program from 85 to some number <85. Right now, a small number of schools are hoarding 4 and 5-star recruits on their benches. If the NCAA desired parity (which they probably don’t), this would help spread out the elite recruits over more programs. Naturally, the dominant programs would object and say you’re taking away educational opportunities from people who may need them the most. This could be countered by offering additional scholarships for support staff or grad school vouchers for athletes who complete their degrees but have few pro opportunities. That being said, this will never happen.

 

Anything can happen...as long as it projects positively for revenue. It does appear that parity is not desired. Just frustrating that Ohio State was able to have such a smooth coaching transition since a change in head coach seems to be the only way to switch out a team in the top-4.

[homer]

Making every scholarship four years might help. Would stop schools from overrecruiting. As it stands they are renewed annually so if you're at Alabama and they can recruit some dude better than you they'll politely tell you to transfer.

[nodakfan17]

Making every scholarship four years might help. Would stop schools from overrecruiting. As it stands they are renewed annually so if you're at Alabama and they can recruit some dude better than you they'll politely tell you to transfer.

I’m with you there. For as much money as these programs generate with low cost labor, the least they could do would be guarantee their scholarship and stipend for 4 years (provided they remain in good standing).

[tmwiese55]

Yes that's probably the first step to at least try a little bit. It won't fully fix the problem but hopefully it helps a bit. Sure, the SEC school would now have to honor the 4 years. But the coach can still treat him poorly and/or push him out by telling him how he won't play etc and then the kid will choose to leave. I think B1G and PAC are the only ones honoring the 4 year thing as of now.

 

The 85 scholarship reduction is probably the way to really make a dent. If I recall correctly, and an older person feel free to correct if I'm wrong, but I believe that was what was done say 40ish years ago to spread things out. Either there was no limit or the limit was really high, so teams like Nebraska/Bama back in the day would just take everybody just so other couldn't have them. Then that limit of some kind was put in to stop that.

 

Even with 85 the problem still exists though, OSU will go after UW guys pretty much knowing their best case is backup at OSU just to try and get them from coming here. The RB Williams from a couple years ago is an example, they tried with Wolf too, and there was a DE/TE type who went to OSU as well in that situation. For OSU it's fine, they're good depth guys and could eventually play if they stick all 4-5 years. If they transfer after 2 years, so be it, at least they're not at UW (or whoever they are competing with for the kid) instead. And they can always pressure them like I said above if they need the scholarship.