Bucks 2020 offseason thread

[nodakfan17]

Thank you for that explanation!

[patrickgpe]

well bucks just released Ersan, so I think the ship has really sailed on this trade.

[brwrsfan]

Without Ersan, there’s not enough salary on the Bucks end to make the trade work. Possible we could make another move first - like trading a second for a big contract, then flipping that. Doubtful...this looks like it’s not happening

 

Can you do two sign and trades? Like we sign and trade Pat and Ersan and they sign and trade Bogdon to us? I honestly don’t know

[thebruce44]

He'll be back...

 

[CheezWizHed]

I think the only value in Ersan at this point was cutting him and reducing the cap hit (for the other team).

[reillymcshane]

Remember, even if the Bogdanovic deal falls apart, we still have Donte (and Wilson). Plus we'd have the mid-level exception.

 

As the cap stuff is so convoluted, I'm not sure we'd be eligible for the $9.3M MLE or just the $5.7M MLE (it varies depending on how far you are over the cap).

 

Either one should allow us to add a role player.

 

All this is assuming we don't get Bogdanovic or someone else.

[adambr2]

If the problem was just losing out on the Bogdan trade in a vacuum, I would say that's not the end of the world and still be happy to have DDV.

 

But it's also really bad organizational ascethetics at a time when ascethetics have never been more important.

[homer]

If they lost out on Bogdan, I sincerely doubt they stand pat.

[reillymcshane]

FYI, Frank Kaminsky's option was declined, so he is a free agent.

[adambr2]

If they lost out on Bogdan, I sincerely doubt they stand pat.

 

They might not stand pat, but I doubt they'll find a similar deal with a comparable player.

[reillymcshane]

Journal Sentinel is saying that the Bogdanovic trade is almost unsalvageable at this point.

 

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2020/11/19/bucks-will-reportedly-waive-ilyasova-crushing-hopes-of-salvaging-bogdanovic-sign-and-trade/3775690001/

 

The issue (if I'm correct) is that a team without cap space must send back salaries equaling at least 75% of the incoming salaries (this might be 80%, but I don't recall for sure).

 

So if Bogdanovic gets $15M next year, we'd have to send Sacramento at least $11.25M in salary.

 

DiVincenzo makes $3.0. Wilson makes $4.5M. That's only $7.5M. Thanasis Antetokounmpo - the only other guy on the roster (outside of our draft picks and our starters), makes $1.7M. That's $9.2M. Not enough for the trade to work.

 

Ersan was set to make $7M if his option was picked up - meaning the him, Donte and Wilson would have been right around $14.5M of salary. Perfectly fine to bring back Bogdanovic and the other scrub.

 

I don't think we could sign anyone using our MLE and then trade him to the Kings. At least not for a few months or something like that.

 

Again, I will say that this is a huge screw up by someone to have leaked the information to the press. The scrutiny from the NBA is what may have caused this to fall apart. That's assuming it was a done deal a few days ago.

[Mr Southpaw]

Journal Sentinel is saying that the Bogdanovic trade is almost unsalvageable at this point.

 

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2020/11/19/bucks-will-reportedly-waive-ilyasova-crushing-hopes-of-salvaging-bogdanovic-sign-and-trade/3775690001/

 

The issue (if I'm correct) is that a team without cap space must send back salaries equaling at least 75% of the incoming salaries (this might be 80%, but I don't recall for sure).

 

So if Bogdanovic gets $15M next year, we'd have to send Sacramento at least $11.25M in salary.

 

DiVincenzo makes $3.0. Wilson makes $4.5M. That's only $7.5M. Thanasis Antetokounmpo - the only other guy on the roster (outside of our draft picks and our starters), makes $1.7M. That's $9.2M. Not enough for the trade to work.

 

Ersan was set to make $7M if his option was picked up - meaning the him, Donte and Wilson would have been right around $14.5M of salary. Perfectly fine to bring back Bogdanovic and the other scrub.

 

I don't think we could sign anyone using our MLE and then trade him to the Kings. At least not for a few months or something like that.

 

Again, I will say that this is a huge screw up by someone to have leaked the information to the press. The scrutiny from the NBA is what may have caused this to fall apart. That's assuming it was a done deal a few days ago.

 

Last year we did a sign and trade with Indiana sending Brogdon to Indiana for a 1st and two seconds. I think we can do the same with Sacramento. BB for DDV and Wilson and a couple of 2nds. They probably want that more than Ersan anyway.

[HiAndTight]

Journal Sentinel is saying that the Bogdanovic trade is almost unsalvageable at this point.

 

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2020/11/19/bucks-will-reportedly-waive-ilyasova-crushing-hopes-of-salvaging-bogdanovic-sign-and-trade/3775690001/

 

The issue (if I'm correct) is that a team without cap space must send back salaries equaling at least 75% of the incoming salaries (this might be 80%, but I don't recall for sure).

 

So if Bogdanovic gets $15M next year, we'd have to send Sacramento at least $11.25M in salary.

 

DiVincenzo makes $3.0. Wilson makes $4.5M. That's only $7.5M. Thanasis Antetokounmpo - the only other guy on the roster (outside of our draft picks and our starters), makes $1.7M. That's $9.2M. Not enough for the trade to work.

 

Ersan was set to make $7M if his option was picked up - meaning the him, Donte and Wilson would have been right around $14.5M of salary. Perfectly fine to bring back Bogdanovic and the other scrub.

 

I don't think we could sign anyone using our MLE and then trade him to the Kings. At least not for a few months or something like that.

 

Again, I will say that this is a huge screw up by someone to have leaked the information to the press. The scrutiny from the NBA is what may have caused this to fall apart. That's assuming it was a done deal a few days ago.

 

Last year we did a sign and trade with Indiana sending Brogdon to Indiana for a 1st and two seconds. I think we can do the same with Sacramento. BB for DDV and Wilson and a couple of 2nds. They probably want that more than Ersan anyway.

 

 

The Pacers had the cap space to sign Brogdon last year with or without the sign and trade. Because he was a restricted free agent and the Bucks COULD have matched had they wanted to, they worked out the trade.

 

The Bucks don't have the cap space to do the same with Bogdan. And now cutting Ersan...seems like they could have waited until tomorrow to cut him, but the deal would seem to be completely dead now. I thought he was gonna score 20 a game and hit 40 pct from 3 in this system. This sucks.

[adambr2]

There's no plausible additional big trade coming. Our biggest remaining move is whoever we sign using the MLE. This does indeed suck. I guess I will resign myself to hoping that Holiday really is a big upgrade over Bledsoe and we end up glad we kept DDV.

[reillymcshane]

There's no plausible additional big trade coming. Our biggest remaining move is whoever we sign using the MLE. This does indeed suck. I guess I will resign myself to hoping that Holiday really is a big upgrade over Bledsoe and we end up glad we kept DDV.

We could feasibly move Brook Lopez, but that opens a big can of worms.

[HiAndTight]

There's no plausible additional big trade coming. Our biggest remaining move is whoever we sign using the MLE. This does indeed suck. I guess I will resign myself to hoping that Holiday really is a big upgrade over Bledsoe and we end up glad we kept DDV.

We could feasibly move Brook Lopez, but that opens a big can of worms.

 

 

I'd be happy to swap Lopez if it meant getting Hield in return...but I'm not sure the Kings would do that or if that would even be enough.

[Eye Black]

There's no plausible additional big trade coming. Our biggest remaining move is whoever we sign using the MLE. This does indeed suck. I guess I will resign myself to hoping that Holiday really is a big upgrade over Bledsoe and we end up glad we kept DDV.

We could feasibly move Brook Lopez, but that opens a big can of worms.

John Hollinger of The Athletic had a pretty good explanation of how the Bucks can make the Bogdanovic trade (or a similar trade) still work. He also brought up a good point on whether they might be better off without the Bogdan trade (assuming Giannis still signs the supermax either way).

 

The Bucks’ ace in the hole in a sign-and-trade for Bogdanovic – or any other player of a similar salary, for that matter – is their five unrestricted free agents. Sterling Brown, Pat Connaughton, Kyle Korver, Robin Lopez, Wes Matthews and all are free, and none are likely to get overwhelming offers in the opening hours of free agency. Milwaukee could sign-and-trade any of them for a salary in the $5 million range, on a required three-year deal that only needs to be guaranteed for the first season.

 

The other point I’ll bring up is this: Is it so bad if the trade falls through? The hard cap was going to be a real problem for Milwaukee in a sign-and-trade, and the Bucks might be better off using their full mid-level exception on a sniper like Langston Galloway or Justin Holiday, retaining DiVincenzo’s dynamism off the bench, and having more flexibility to add pieces in-season. If you factor in the ability to add more pieces at the trade deadline, Milwaukee could be better off operating its offseason this way.

[HiAndTight]

There's no plausible additional big trade coming. Our biggest remaining move is whoever we sign using the MLE. This does indeed suck. I guess I will resign myself to hoping that Holiday really is a big upgrade over Bledsoe and we end up glad we kept DDV.

We could feasibly move Brook Lopez, but that opens a big can of worms.

John Hollinger of The Athletic had a pretty good explanation of how the Bucks can make the Bogdanovic trade (or a similar trade) still work. He also brought up a good point on whether they might be better off without the Bogdan trade (assuming Giannis still signs the supermax either way).

 

The Bucks’ ace in the hole in a sign-and-trade for Bogdanovic – or any other player of a similar salary, for that matter – is their five unrestricted free agents. Sterling Brown, Pat Connaughton, Kyle Korver, Robin Lopez, Wes Matthews and all are free, and none are likely to get overwhelming offers in the opening hours of free agency. Milwaukee could sign-and-trade any of them for a salary in the $5 million range, on a required three-year deal that only needs to be guaranteed for the first season.

 

The other point I’ll bring up is this: Is it so bad if the trade falls through? The hard cap was going to be a real problem for Milwaukee in a sign-and-trade, and the Bucks might be better off using their full mid-level exception on a sniper like Langston Galloway or Justin Holiday, retaining DiVincenzo’s dynamism off the bench, and having more flexibility to add pieces in-season. If you factor in the ability to add more pieces at the trade deadline, Milwaukee could be better off operating its offseason this way.

 

 

It's a persuasive argument, but I'm not buying it. I looked at the Jrue deal as an overpay whereas Bogdan was a great deal. It gave us the best starting 5 in the league and added TWO guys who can be playmakers. Bogdan is an underrated playmaker. Kinda reminds me of Kukoc in terms of just making smart plays to give guys easy baskets.

 

Plus, I was confident the Bucks would be able to add some veterans who got bought out, helping with any depth issues.

 

What's really annoying is the NBA sticking their noses in. They look the other way when any large market team does something like this, but they're going to investigate NOW? Please...

[pacopete4]

Kind of a pathetic situation for the Bucks, a team trying to keep one of, if not the best players in the game. I do wonder if this was LA or NY if the NBA would even be batting an eye at this situation.

[patrickgpe]

Personally I cannot blame the Bucks or Kings for this one. They never made a comment on the trade at all. We all know this happens all of the time and if it wasn't for a Woj Bomb, noone would be the wiser. I'd be surprised if it ever gets out if Bogdon actually agreed to a contract with the bucks or not. I still think it got reneged to avoid tampering charges for either team. you know darn well that deals will be agreed upon right at 5pm today that had to have been negotiated prior to the start of free agency.

[nate82]

Hayward and Avery Bradley have declined their player options. I am not sure either would sign for the MLE.

 

I think Hayward might but I don't see Bradley doing it. I believe it would take all of the MLE to get Hayward maybe he signs a 1-year $5m deal but I am doubtful on that.

[patrickgpe]

no surprise, but Shams is reporting bucks are moving on from Bogdan. Will be interested to see what they do over the weekend. I understand they just don't have the flexibility to anything significant. Releasing Ersan made it hard to match salaries with any significant player.

[HiAndTight]

Hayward and Avery Bradley have declined their player options. I am not sure either would sign for the MLE.

 

I think Hayward might but I don't see Bradley doing it. I believe it would take all of the MLE to get Hayward maybe he signs a 1-year $5m deal but I am doubtful on that.

 

 

Hayward just opted out of a 34.2 million dollar player option. I can't imagine he's going to come here to take a ~4/40 deal.

 

He'd be a great addition and two years+ after that injury and now not having to play with two other elite wings at the same position.

[HiAndTight]

no surprise, but Shams is reporting bucks are moving on from Bogdan. Will be interested to see what they do over the weekend. I understand they just don't have the flexibility to anything significant. Releasing Ersan made it hard to match salaries with any significant player.

 

 

I don't understand the NBA's CBA that well, but usually, an expiring contract is viewed as an asset. The Bucks MUST have a pretty good idea that there aren't any realistic sign and trade options to make it worth holding onto that salary.

 

So we're gonna have to hope that people really want to play with Jrue and Giannis.

 

I wonder if the Bucks would have been as eager to make the trade for Jrue if they'd believed the Bogdan trade would fall through. It felt like a justified overpay for Jrue since we were getting another stud without having to give up much. But now we're really stuck in limbo. I just hope due to teams trying to save cap space for next year and the financial hit the league took, FA salaries are suppressed. Then maybe we can end up with someone who'd normally get a bigger deal.

[reillymcshane]

Looks like there's a NBA investigation into the Bogdanovic fiasco.

 

It has been reported that Bogdanovic had been recruited by Giannis, but had been surprised to hear about his 'trade'. After the trade came out, pressure was put on the Bucks, Kings and Bogdanovic to end the whole thing. Bogdanovic feared that if he signed with Milwaukee, and the league voided the contract, he'd end up getting screwed. Thus, it's unlikely the whole thing gets revived.