Bucks 2020 offseason thread

[wildcat83]

NBA is so confusing. When trades go down in the NFL 99 percent of the time the change is made before the pick is made. You always know who’s on the clock.

[CheezWizHed]

I mean...the Kings could just match any offer he got(assuming it wasn't ridiculous) and trade him anyway.

 

No. If they match someone else's offer, the rules treat him as a newly signed FA. They couldn't trade him until the middle of the year.

[Samurai Bucky]

The one Wisconsin connection no one mentioned is Frank Kaminsky.

 

He's a free agent, and in this market, he might be had for veteran's minimum. I won't pretend to know if he's a good fit for our team. I just bring him up because of his Wisconsin connections, his availability, and our needs.

 

His 3-point shooting is 34.7% for his career. Not great, but not bad. I always felt his outside game would be better - but that just hasn't developed. Perhaps in a stable, winning-environment he would thrive. We don't need these guys for 30 minutes - but 15-20 a game. They will all be flawed - just a matter of finding the one that best fits our needs (and budget).

I did not know he is a free agent. I have to go apologize to Mrs. Samurai who suggested Frank the Tank yesterday...

 

 

Edit... after reading some more, he is an UFA next year: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/frank-kaminsky-17837/

[homer]

Nwora can shoot.

[reillymcshane]

The one Wisconsin connection no one mentioned is Frank Kaminsky.

 

He's a free agent, and in this market, he might be had for veteran's minimum. I won't pretend to know if he's a good fit for our team. I just bring him up because of his Wisconsin connections, his availability, and our needs.

 

His 3-point shooting is 34.7% for his career. Not great, but not bad. I always felt his outside game would be better - but that just hasn't developed. Perhaps in a stable, winning-environment he would thrive. We don't need these guys for 30 minutes - but 15-20 a game. They will all be flawed - just a matter of finding the one that best fits our needs (and budget).

I did not know he is a free agent. I have to go apologize to Mrs. Samurai who suggested Frank the Tank yesterday...

 

 

Edit... after reading some more, he is an UFA next year: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/frank-kaminsky-17837/

Phoenix holds an option for 2020-21. I don't think it has been picked up yet. Early speculation was they wouldn't - but not positive.

[nate82]

Nwora looks good.

 

https://theathletic.com/2192446/2020/11/18/jordan-nwora-louisville-milwaukee-bucks-nba-draft-second-round-rookie

[reillymcshane]

Nwora can shoot.

Elite shooter. Really smart guy (graduated from school in three years).

 

Limited playmaking ability. Big questions about his defense.

 

It's all about his shooting.

[Eye Black]

From The Athletic’s article where they interviewed 5 current NBA scouts about the top 50 draft prospects (comments from the various scouts are all combined together which is why they sometimes seem contradictory):

 

Jordan Nwora, 6-7 junior forward, Louisville. “He can be a little streaky, but a better athlete than you think. My question is, does he give a [bleep] half the time? Some games I watch, he just doesn’t care. He’s a poor man’s Jared Dudley. Measured smaller than I was hoping. He’s a limited defender. Maybe he sneaks into the back of the first round. From what I hear he does like working, likes staying in the gym. Nice size for a three/four, but with the way the game is played, his shooting is a big plus.”

[reillymcshane]

Report that Bogdanovic deal is essentially dead.

 

 

I can't believe a team can screw something like that up.

[wildcat83]

ESPN had Merril at 60 to Bucks but not 42.

[HiAndTight]

Report that Bogdanovic deal is essentially dead.

 

 

I can't believe a team can screw something like that up.

 

 

Yeah, that was the tweet I'd seen when I said it looked dead. A lot of compelling arguments as to why it could still happen. But the fact that they had a sign and trade worked out before they were allowed to negotiate was questionable.

 

People are arguing this is a smoke-screen so as to avoid the appearance of tampering(which is kinda rich given how that's such an open secret around the league). Maybe he just wants to gauge the market and if he'd like, sign with the Knicks and score 20PPG while winning roughly as many games in the next 3yeras as the Bucks will win this year. Who knows.

 

So I'm still gonna cling to hope when free agency starts, he doesn't get a bigger deal and or realizes the Bucks provide the best opportunity to win a ring. Otherwise, I guess I'll take comfort in the fact that we'll still have DD and we'll be able to go out and sign someone else and the rules that would have limited us, re; the hard cap and sign and trades, aren't quite so cumbersome.

[HiAndTight]

I mean...the Kings could just match any offer he got(assuming it wasn't ridiculous) and trade him anyway.

 

No. If they match someone else's offer, the rules treat him as a newly signed FA. They couldn't trade him until the middle of the year.

 

 

Right....of course, that makes sense. I'm just trying to justify still believing the Bucks will end up with him!

 

NBA is so confusing. When trades go down in the NFL 99 percent of the time the change is made before the pick is made. You always know who’s on the clock.

 

I remember reading why they do it that way...but you're right. Can't remember the last time a team selected a player with the intention to trade him. I would guess it'd be Eli and the Chargers?

 

 

But this is why so many Bucks fans and other NBA fans believe that the Bucks traded away Dirk...which has been a fun talking point for years.

[HiAndTight]

ESPN had Merril at 60 to Bucks but not 42.

 

 

I see that...Marks was on the ESPN Broadcast and he's the one guy who's saying they got just the 60th.

The Atlantic said they got both and someone linked that in the first couple pages.

 

So I don't know if they got the kid from Kentucky. He would seem to fit what the Pelicans need more than the Bucks(A Center to play next to Zion).

 

We'll find out in the next few days, but he's not all that interesting of a prospect. He's a backup Center with limited offense. So, we'll see.

[areacodes]

From the updated JS story tonight.

 

 

On a live SportsCenter hit late Wednesday, ESPN's Brian Windhorst expressed that Bogdanovic's representation has been "adamant" that nothing is agreed upon. Moments later, though, Windhorst added that despite planning to field offers, Bogdanovic ultimately does want to be in Milwaukee.

[HiAndTight]

From the updated JS story tonight.

 

 

On a live SportsCenter hit late Wednesday, ESPN's Brian Windhorst expressed that Bogdanovic's representation has been "adamant" that nothing is agreed upon. Moments later, though, Windhorst added that despite planning to field offers, Bogdanovic ultimately does want to be in Milwaukee.

 

Alright then...they're really playing with my emotions here!

 

Maybe he'll just come to Milwaukee using the MLE, sign a 4 year deal for the ~40 or so million we can spend, and then put an opt-out in there in case Giannis leaves or so we can pay him more next year and not lose DD?

 

I put the odds of that happening at about .01 pct but seems like it's still 50/50 he ends up in Milwaukee.

[HiAndTight]

 

 

So if we were to sign a couple of guys... let's say Karim Mane and Myles Powell to two-way deals...would those count against the cap if we don't have a full 15 man roster?

 

If we just sign a UDFA, that's ~700K more than if a 2nd round pick, right?

[young guns]

Maybe someone needs to get giannis his address so he can go to his house and convince him to come to Milwaukee. (Light blue for partial sarcasm) [sarcasm]And if he's not home he can drive around looking for him in case he's holed up playing video games with teammates who are trying to convince him to stay.[/sarcasm]

[Eye Black]

ESPN had Merril at 60 to Bucks but not 42.

 

 

I see that...Marks was on the ESPN Broadcast and he's the one guy who's saying they got just the 60th.

The Atlantic said they got both and someone linked that in the first couple pages.

 

So I don't know if they got the kid from Kentucky. He would seem to fit what the Pelicans need more than the Bucks(A Center to play next to Zion).

 

We'll find out in the next few days, but he's not all that interesting of a prospect. He's a backup Center with limited offense. So, we'll see.

The Bucks didn’t actually acquire the #42 selection as had been speculated and the player the Pelicans drafted in that spot was traded to the Hornets. The writer at The Athletic that originally was reporting it clarified last night that he was wrong (Link).

[FVBrewerFan]

Even if they are posturing, I can see one or more of the 3 parties involved backing out due to all the drama and spotlight.

[homer]

Nehm is now saying the Bucks chose to trade for Orlando's 2nd round pick instead of buying Sacramento's. Maybe they are saving money for the inevitable tampering fine?

[CheezWizHed]

Considering the Bucks had two 2nd round picks, it seems like they got some value there. Not surprising they took guys that are excellent at standing 3ptrs. Not much for creating their own shot and limited on defense, but what is expected with two picks so late? Nwora will probably just fill Korver's spot in the rotation (i.e. just stand outside the 3pt line and look slow on defense).

 

Now sign Markus Howard and they'll have a trio of poor defense - three point snipers.

[patrickgpe]

Now sign Markus Howard and they'll have a trio of poor defense - three point snipers.

he signed a 2 way contract with Denver last night already.

[nodakfan17]

Can a more knowledgeable NBA fan please catch us novice fans up on what the heck just happened with Bogdan? I swear, if Giannis wasn’t so darn likeable, I would be done with this poop show.

[homer]

Can a more knowledgeable NBA fan please catch us novice fans up on what the heck just happened with Bogdan? I swear, if Giannis wasn’t so darn likeable, I would be done with this poop show.

 

We won't know anything really happened until tomorrow.

[reillymcshane]

Can a more knowledgeable NBA fan please catch us novice fans up on what the heck just happened with Bogdan? I swear, if Giannis wasn’t so darn likeable, I would be done with this poop show.

The nitty gritty is as follows:

 

- The Bucks reportedly made an agreement with Sacramento to acquire Bogdanovic via a sign and trade deal.

- Bogdanovic supposedly agreed to a contract. Let's stress supposedly.

- Bucks and Kings CANNOT have done this. You can't negotiate with FAs like Bogdanovic until Friday, Nov. 20. If the Bucks did that, it's tampering - although it supposedly happens a lot.

- The agreement got leaked. This is a big deal due to the potential tampering issues.

- Some people (maybe even a lot of people) were angry that the Bucks so blatantly breaking the rules about negotiating with Bogdanovic.

- After that happened, Bogdanovic's team said they had agreed to no contract with Milwaukee.

 

So what HAS happened? Here's some options:

 

1. Bogdanovic and the Bucks and Kings all agreed to the deal, but are backing away because of the fears of punishment from the league.

2. Bogdanovic gave word to the Kings and/or Bucks that he would like to play with Milwaukee - but he never agreed to any parameters of a deal. This would be a massive screw up on someone's part to not hammer out specifics.

 

So, what WILL happen? Here are some options:

 

1. The deal will go through after Bogdanovic goes through the motions of meeting with other teams (this is assuming an agreement had actually been reached), and determines the contract with Milwaukee is his favored option going forward.

2. The deal goes through after Bogdanovic's reps actually engage with Milwaukee in negotiations (this is assuming no solid agreement had actually been reached) and come to an agreement.

3. Another team steps up and a) tops our offer for Bogdanovic, and b) is a place Bogdanovic wants to play. We have to remember, this is a big 'what if'. Lots of teams would like Bogdanovic, but perhaps they don't have the money/years he likes, or it's a team he doesn't want to play for, or Sacramento doesn't like the package being offered to them.

 

I like Bogdanovic, and the club thinks he'll thrive in our system. I'm guessing Bogdanovic thinks the same thing as well. So lets hope it all comes together and gets figured out.

 

By the way, any deal struck for Bogdanovic may get tweaked by Milwaukee and the Kings - to show that they had not actually struck an improper deal earlier this week.

 

To me, the stunning thing is that someone from Milwaukee or Sacramento or Bogdanovic's camp leaked word of the deal. How stupid do you have to be to do that? Of course people are going to be upset at the blatant tampering. Unbelievably stupid someone let that happen.