Bucks 2020 offseason thread

[HiAndTight]

The Rockets traded Westbrook to the Wizards for Wall and a 1st round pick.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/russell-westbrook-trade-rockets-deal-all-star-guard-to-wizards-for-john-wall-first-round-pick-per-report/

 

That is just a bad trade. [sarcasm]Maybe the Bucks could trade Middleton for Harden.[/sarcasm]

 

 

I see this is sarcasm, but I'd gladly make that trade...provided Giannis was cool with the guy who said he had no skill teaming up with him.

 

It'd obviously never happen...but I'd definitely make that swap.

[CheezWizHed]

Wow that'd be awesome. Kareem who?

 

How about Lew Alcindor?

[nate82]

 

 

I see this is sarcasm, but I'd gladly make that trade...provided Giannis was cool with the guy who said he had no skill teaming up with him.

 

It'd obviously never happen...but I'd definitely make that swap.

 

I don't believe Harden will ever win a title he is a great player just like Barkley he is just not someone who will ever win due to chemistry issues.

[HiAndTight]

 

 

I see this is sarcasm, but I'd gladly make that trade...provided Giannis was cool with the guy who said he had no skill teaming up with him.

 

It'd obviously never happen...but I'd definitely make that swap.

 

I don't believe Harden will ever win a title he is a great player just like Barkley he is just not someone who will ever win due to chemistry issues.

 

 

Maybe...maybe he'd have won a few had the Thunder been willing to spend another 3 million dollars.

 

I think that trade would probably shorten the window with Giannis(assumed he re-signed) but maybe open it a bit more this year. Harden would have to make significant concessions.

 

It's totally unrealistic anyway.

[nate82]

Harden has added the Bucks as a team he wants to be traded to.

 

https://theathletic.com/news/james-harden-bucks-heat-to-trade-destination-list-sources/6Zq4CgKPAh6Z

 

This is weird because Harden and Giannis don't really get along all that well supposedly.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Harden has added the Bucks as a team he wants to be traded to.

 

https://theathletic.com/news/james-harden-bucks-heat-to-trade-destination-list-sources/6Zq4CgKPAh6Z

 

This is weird because Harden and Giannis don't really get along all that well supposedly.

 

The Bucks would have to do some serious book-cooking to make that work. They'd likely have to give up Middleton, DD, Wilson and more. Team would basically be Giannis, Lopez, Harden, Jrue, Portis I guess ... and a bunch of G Leaguers. Would be the best starting lineup in the NBA, but would have no depth.

[patrickgpe]

well he can say that he'd accept a trade to the bucks, but if Giannis doesn't want him, he won't be a buck.

[patrickgpe]

you could do Middleton, DDV and Wilson. The issue is that you have no draft picks to trade. I think it wouldn't be smart to bring him in anyway.

[nate82]

 

The Bucks would have to do some serious book-cooking to make that work. They'd likely have to give up Middleton, DD, Wilson and more. Team would basically be Giannis, Lopez, Harden, Jrue, Portis I guess ... and a bunch of G Leaguers. Would be the best starting lineup in the NBA, but would have no depth.

 

Middleton and DJ financially would get it done for the Bucks. I don't think the Rockets would go for this as they would be looking for draft picks the Bucks couldn't give them.

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[adambr2]

well he can say that he'd accept a trade to the bucks, but if Giannis doesn't want him, he won't be a buck.

 

They are both professionals. If it actually was going to happen (which I highly doubt it would), my guess is Giannis is going to welcome it, not stand in the way. They would figure it out immediately and get along just fine.

[stoutdude04]

I have been watching the video of Giannis firing the ball at Harden...and I continue to laugh really hard at it. Thats all. Nothing to add.

[patrickgpe]

well he can say that he'd accept a trade to the bucks, but if Giannis doesn't want him, he won't be a buck.

 

They are both professionals. If it actually was going to happen (which I highly doubt it would), my guess is Giannis is going to welcome it, not stand in the way. They would figure it out immediately and get along just fine.

i agree, but if he isn't happy about it, he is signing elsewhere

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

well he can say that he'd accept a trade to the bucks, but if Giannis doesn't want him, he won't be a buck.

 

They are both professionals. If it actually was going to happen (which I highly doubt it would), my guess is Giannis is going to welcome it, not stand in the way. They would figure it out immediately and get along just fine.

i agree, but if he isn't happy about it, he is signing elsewhere

 

That's the whole point, though. If Harden were to become a Buck, it would be because Giannis approved, and wanted it to happen, if not facilitated it. The NBA, moreso than any other professional sport, is a superstar-driven league. If Giannis and Harden truly want to play together, they'll find a way to do it.

[adambr2]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-says-hes-not-focused-on-supermax-extension-ahead-of-dec-21-deadline/

 

Anyone else think it's probably not a great sign that Giannis hasn't signed his supermax?

 

It's been available to him, and if his mind was made up about taking it I can't think of any reason he'd wait, and saying "my agent is in charge of that" seems like a good way of shrugging off the culpability for the decision when he declines it. The offer is what it is, it's not like there's really anything to negotiate.

[nate82]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-says-hes-not-focused-on-supermax-extension-ahead-of-dec-21-deadline/

 

Anyone else think it's probably not a great sign that Giannis hasn't signed his supermax?

 

It's been available to him, and if his mind was made up about taking it I can't think of any reason he'd wait, and saying "my agent is in charge of that" seems like a good way of shrugging off the culpability for the decision when he declines it. The offer is what it is, it's not like there's really anything to negotiate.

 

There are other things that go into a contract like a team flying his family to X amount of games, hotel accommodations for family, the use of sweets for family, trade restrictions, etc...

[MrTPlush]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-says-hes-not-focused-on-supermax-extension-ahead-of-dec-21-deadline/

 

Anyone else think it's probably not a great sign that Giannis hasn't signed his supermax?

 

It's been available to him, and if his mind was made up about taking it I can't think of any reason he'd wait, and saying "my agent is in charge of that" seems like a good way of shrugging off the culpability for the decision when he declines it. The offer is what it is, it's not like there's really anything to negotiate.

 

There are other things that go into a contract like a team flying his family to X amount of games, hotel accommodations for family, the use of sweets for family, trade restrictions, etc...

 

Permission to hit up the dessert bar?

 

Contracts really do get into the petty details.

[SomewhereInTime]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-says-hes-not-focused-on-supermax-extension-ahead-of-dec-21-deadline/

 

Anyone else think it's probably not a great sign that Giannis hasn't signed his supermax?

 

It's been available to him, and if his mind was made up about taking it I can't think of any reason he'd wait, and saying "my agent is in charge of that" seems like a good way of shrugging off the culpability for the decision when he declines it. The offer is what it is, it's not like there's really anything to negotiate.

 

There are other things that go into a contract like a team flying his family to X amount of games, hotel accommodations for family, the use of sweets for family, trade restrictions, etc...

 

Lol, yeah that's it.

[nate82]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-says-hes-not-focused-on-supermax-extension-ahead-of-dec-21-deadline/

 

Anyone else think it's probably not a great sign that Giannis hasn't signed his supermax?

 

It's been available to him, and if his mind was made up about taking it I can't think of any reason he'd wait, and saying "my agent is in charge of that" seems like a good way of shrugging off the culpability for the decision when he declines it. The offer is what it is, it's not like there's really anything to negotiate.

 

There are other things that go into a contract like a team flying his family to X amount of games, hotel accommodations for family, the use of sweets for family, trade restrictions, etc...

 

Permission to hit up the dessert bar?

 

Contracts really do get into the petty details.

 

Stupid auto correct on phone but I do remember some rock stars in order for them to play at summerfest had some weird candy requirements like only green m&m's.

[stalton]

Off Topic but it was Van Halen that requested only brown M&M's. It wasn't because he loved only brown, but he figured that if each city he traveled to could read and follow through on that part of his rider, he could trust the rest of the rider which he cared about should be taken care of.

 

On Topic I'll be happy when this circus is behind us, only for the fact that sports media and give it a rest.

[HiAndTight]

you could do Middleton, DDV and Wilson. The issue is that you have no draft picks to trade. I think it wouldn't be smart to bring him in anyway.

 

 

I'm not sure that would work financially. I thought we couldn't add more than ~450K. That'd work if we weren't up against the hard cap, but we'd be a couple million short in this scenario...I believe.

[Brewers Numbers]

you could do Middleton, DDV and Wilson. The issue is that you have no draft picks to trade. I think it wouldn't be smart to bring him in anyway.

 

 

I'm not sure that would work financially. I thought we couldn't add more than ~450K. That'd work if we weren't up against the hard cap, but we'd be a couple million short in this scenario...I believe.

The Athletic had an article by Eric Nehm on how it could work: https://theathletic.com/2252262/2020/12/10/james-harden-bucks-trade-talk-can-it-be-done-and-would-it-work-on-the-court/

 

Basically the trade would only work if it includes Middleton and Lopez. Middleton, DDV, and Wilson is $610K short.

[HiAndTight]

you could do Middleton, DDV and Wilson. The issue is that you have no draft picks to trade. I think it wouldn't be smart to bring him in anyway.

 

 

I'm not sure that would work financially. I thought we couldn't add more than ~450K. That'd work if we weren't up against the hard cap, but we'd be a couple million short in this scenario...I believe.

The Athletic had an article by Eric Nehm on how it could work: https://theathletic.com/2252262/2020/12/10/james-harden-bucks-trade-talk-can-it-be-done-and-would-it-work-on-the-court/

 

Basically the trade would only work if it includes Middleton and Lopez. Middleton, DDV, and Wilson is $610K short.

 

Does it make any mention of any potential cap relief due to Leuer? It's behind a paywall and I'm trying to cut down on the 10+ subscriptions I have before adding any others.

 

I thought that one was a given. Either way, even if that happened, I think this trade is too fantastical. You'd have to get Harden to accept a role in which he handled the ball about half as often as he did. I think it COULD work...especially if he played as he did earlier in his career with KD and Westbrook. I think he'd become a far more efficient shooter/scorer...and you could still compensate for his defensive deficiencies(which aren't as bad in the post-season).

 

But that just changes the roster too much and would leave you open to pissing off Giannis and then having an unhappy Harden next year as Giannis leaves and no draft picks for the foreseeable future.

[CheezWizHed]

I think if he were on the team, he basically becomes our backup PG; functionally at least. That may still be a reduction of ball-handling, but maybe a decent middle-ground solution.

 

But I still think it is more a fantasy than an actual possibility.

[patrickgpe]

you could do Middleton, DDV and Wilson. The issue is that you have no draft picks to trade. I think it wouldn't be smart to bring him in anyway.

 

 

I'm not sure that would work financially. I thought we couldn't add more than ~450K. That'd work if we weren't up against the hard cap, but we'd be a couple million short in this scenario...I believe.

The Athletic had an article by Eric Nehm on how it could work: https://theathletic.com/2252262/2020/12/10/james-harden-bucks-trade-talk-can-it-be-done-and-would-it-work-on-the-court/

 

Basically the trade would only work if it includes Middleton and Lopez. Middleton, DDV, and Wilson is $610K short.

i put that into the ESPN trade machine and it was accepted, although I don't know how accurate that is.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y4tqz92w

[stoutdude04]

Some dude(high heat?) is saying a league source(probably fake) is saying the Bucks are trying to get a 3rd team involved and are pushing for the Beard. He has 5k followers on the twitters, but doesn't have his name behind it. I don't see it working, but it may be more of them showing Giannis they are willing to do anything to improve the team.