Game 5: Packers @ Buccaneers - Sunday, October 18th, 3:25PM

[PeaveyFury]

It is somewhat outrageous that they didn't sack Brady once with the personnel they have on defense and Brady's immobility.

[TURBO]

 

I think you think a bit highly of yourself. Who's obsessed? I DO find it funny that you've been a "die hard" NFL fan since 1977 but you've also given up on watching the NFL so much so that you struggle to be around people who ARE NFL fans because you have "awkward encounters" with fans who ask you why you DON'T watch the NFL anymore.

 

I feel like "diehard" here is a little bit more akin to "every 7 or 8 years when my part time team wins I get to rub it in fellow Brewers fans faces."

And that's fine...

 

 

lol

 

Ok then...

 

Actually, Tampa hasn't played the Packers since 2017, so I can't really brag about winning when the game happens so infrequently these days. Tampa hasn't beaten the Packers since 2009, so this was a great win for a Bucs fan in WI.

 

This is a lot of fun, what it is actually about is a couple bitter fans having a hard time with a loss, so they try and take it out on a Bucs fan who has the nerve to post on a site primarily full of Packer fans...

 

Question me all you want, fact remains that the Bucs just absolutely dominated an undefeated team, which happens to be the Packers.

 

That's it for me, feel free to have the last word, hopefully we meet again in the play-offs!

[OldSchoolSnapper]

 

what it is actually about is a couple bitter fans having a hard time with a loss, so they try and take it out on a Bucs fan

 

Dude, no. Lol. Not at all. This isn't that serious.

 

It really IS about a guy who spent 3 years talking about how he was done with the NFL, hates kneeling, Kap is stupid, keep politics out of sports...and then suddenly popped out of a hole to call himself a diehard fan since 1977.

 

I don't actually believe for one second that you can't see why you look ridiculous here. You were loud and proud about being done with the NFL, as recently as last month. You just apparently have no ability to laugh at yourself.

 

 

That's it for me

 

You keep saying this but always come back.

[pacopete4]

This team misses Lazard a lot more than you think.

 

I posted this on Oct. 2nd when he got hurt. Great minds...

Lazard will be a bigger loss than Adams. .

No, I’m referring to his overall game. He gets in the muck and makes some big-time blocking plays that go unnoticed a lot of the time. It’s a huge piece to this new offensive scheme. In no way am I saying he’s a better pass catcher than Adams but I really think this offense will miss what Lazard does on Sundays and will have to adjust quite a bit moving forward.

 

 

Little did I know that it is actually Tyler Ervin that makes the offense go...

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think they miss Lazard, I think he is a big loss. I think they would have lost 38-10 with him on the field yesterday.

[PeaveyFury]

1st-They didn't come out flat. That's what's the most frustrating. They came out and absolutely dominated. They didn't finish the first drive, but they finished the 2nd. Then Rodgers threw that terrible pick...THEN they started to look flat....which leads me to

 

2-That wasn't a bad window, that was a routine slant to Adams and it hit him in both of his hands for what should have been a 1st down. I can get past both of those because it's Rodgers and Adams. How often does 12 throw a weak ball on a field out and then how often does Adams just have one go right off his hands when he's not trying to run after the catch?

 

3-With regard to Rodgers being better without Adams...I'm not convinced that's the case(though the stats may say otherwise).

 

Just to clarify, I obviously agree that they started very strong results-wise. By 'flat', I was more referring to energy/excitement levels, emotion. Obviously, they got down in a deflating way. But they never had, even from the start IMO, the feel of a team that was up for the game.

 

Regarding Adams/the 2nd INT, my point is that it's a low percentage pass on a third down to a receiver that was double-covered. There's a better read there, somewhere. I haven't watched a tape of the whole play to look at the other options, but that's forcing a ball to a guy that can't be the best choice there.

[CheezWizHed]

Honestly, the flatness of the offense is really all about the pressure on AROD. He was under pressure early, but he seemed to understand where it was coming from. After the first two drives, you could see his confidence in his protection continue to dwindle. He started getting happy-feet and a bit jumpy. That is when bad decisions were made and his 2019 accuracy problems returned.

 

But in AR's defense, pressure any QB like that and he will struggle.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Granted, it was a small segment of plays, but the start of the 2nd quarter the Packers sure seemed to go completely away from the run and then almost acted like because Rodgers threw 2 picks basically in a row that they had to keep a pass-heavy approach to try and make the point they could still move the ball through the air - then the game got completely away from them and they were essentially forced to remain pass-heavy and predictable the rest of the game against a quality defense that can play fast and aggressive against 1 dimension. Tampa Bay has a solid run D, but there was no reason to just abandon the run game early in the 2nd quarter because of a couple INTs - GB actually gashed them a few times early in the run game and then just abandoned it.

 

Went back and looked at it - the pick 6 series was three straight passes. The next series was a swing pass to Jones, followed by a stretch run that had no chance because David was unblocked, then the Adams slant that was picked.

 

Then the next series after getting down 14-10 due to those INTs, another 3 and out with 3 passes. (overturned big pass play to Jones was in there). TB goes on their 1st long TD drive to go up 21-10. Next Packer series, 7 yard jones run, incomplete deep pass, big sack on another pass play.

 

Tampa Bay then swiss cheeses the Packers' D for another TD. End of half drive for the Packers was all passes mainly due to time...but in total the Packers ran the ball only twice in the entire 2nd quarter, despite having FIVE freaking possessions.

 

GB's offense has been great up until yesterday because of how balanced they have been, and that has also helped their Oline. Rodgers got put on the ground and harassed much more yesterday than he has in total for their initial 4 games, and that pressure seemed to throw off both Rodgers as a passer AND MLF as a playcaller by going away from what they've excelled at with balance and quick hitting misdirection plays.

[nodakfan17]

[sarcasm]The fact that Jordan Love didn’t come over to be the referee in the McCringleberry celebration proves he’s not ready to be QB2. That was just a clutch performance by Tim Boyle.[/sarcasm]

[homer]

The play calling was awful. They kept trying to run outside and TB was too fast. They had success up the middle. SHould have kept going to that.

[brewcrewdue80]

This team misses Lazard a lot more than you think.

 

Lazard became Rodgers go to when Adams was out simply because MVS was bad. Still being bad and ESB showing a complete lack what audible Rambo meant he only had Adams to throw to who he trusts when under pressure. Just ran out of playcalls to keep a defense on its heels. No fear on rushing and no #2 target meant easy pickens. Rush 6 and watch them crumble. Something you didn't see on the Pack's Defensive side. I really wish they'd blitz Savage more from his position.

 

Rodgers being hit on the TD and again on the 2nd interception besides the amount of hits he took from TB's pass rush unsettled him on top of Tonyan's loss during the game. Just whatever they planned for the game it didn't work. Team needs a #2 yesterday.

 

Byrnes' play was so much better than Summers, I'd drop Summers sooner than later for whatever player you can add to the team that may help. Is there another Ervin type out there? How scared were you to see ESB as punt returner?

 

Positive side, can AJ Dillon get used on short yardage situations now more? After that one nice run, TB was clearly beat on play action the next, selling out he was going to be given the ball again. It's time to use Jones or Williams in a trade for some sort of help the team needs. WR, ILB, DE. Any trade ideas that would work?

[PinaMadness]

We haven't lost much under MLF, but when we do, we really get crushed.

[PeaveyFury]

We haven't lost much under MLF, but when we do, we really get crushed.

 

This is accurate. We've had a meager 5 losses in his time here, and all but one were games like yesterday where they were basically run out of the building. Interestingly, all four of those were also on the road.

[PinaMadness]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if the Packers and Bucs place in the same position in our respective divisions, which there is a very good chance of happening as I see both teams finishing in first place, we will be back in Tampa in 2021.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if the Packers and Bucs place in the same position in our respective divisions, which there is a very good chance of happening as I see both teams finishing in first place, we will be back in Tampa in 2021.

 

Not that just that, but we dropped a common game with the Bears.

[PinaMadness]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if the Packers and Bucs place in the same position in our respective divisions, which there is a very good chance of happening as I see both teams finishing in first place, we will be back in Tampa in 2021.

 

Not that just that, but we dropped a common game with the Bears.

I'm not afraid of them. We'll probably sweep them.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm not necessarily afraid of the Bears but it has happened before where they beat us once (or zero times) and still beat us out for the division. That's all it takes to make a path to the Super Bowl a lot harder.

[pacopete4]

When the Packers ran the ball up the middle in the A gap.

 

6 attempts - 58 yards - 9.6 AVG

 

Everywhere else

 

13 attempts - 18 yards - 1.3 AVG

[PeaveyFury]

When the Packers ran the ball up the middle in the A gap.

 

6 attempts - 58 yards - 9.6 AVG

 

Everywhere else

 

13 attempts - 18 yards - 1.3 AVG

 

Interesting and related, though Elgton Jenkins gave up his first career(!) sack yesterday, he had his best grade as a run blocker of the season...

[OldSchoolSnapper]

When the Packers ran the ball up the middle in the A gap.

 

6 attempts - 58 yards - 9.6 AVG

 

Everywhere else

 

13 attempts - 18 yards - 1.3 AVG

 

What's really disturbing is that schmucks like me were saying this on page one days before the game. It was a very obvious thing. Now, they got 25 of those yards on one play and I think 20 on another. But there shouldn't have been any lateral runs on that defense.

[pacopete4]

When the Packers ran the ball up the middle in the A gap.

 

6 attempts - 58 yards - 9.6 AVG

 

Everywhere else

 

13 attempts - 18 yards - 1.3 AVG

 

What's really disturbing is that schmucks like me were saying this on page one days before the game. It was a very obvious thing. Now, they got 25 of those yards on one play and I think 20 on another. But there shouldn't have been any lateral runs on that defense.

 

Correct. Our coaches seem to overthink things. The first outside run should’ve been after 15 attempts up the gut. Really poor coaching all around yesterday.

[HiAndTight]

When the Packers ran the ball up the middle in the A gap.

 

6 attempts - 58 yards - 9.6 AVG

 

Everywhere else

 

13 attempts - 18 yards - 1.3 AVG

 

What's really disturbing is that schmucks like me were saying this on page one days before the game. It was a very obvious thing. Now, they got 25 of those yards on one play and I think 20 on another. But there shouldn't have been any lateral runs on that defense.

 

Correct. Our coaches seem to overthink things. The first outside run should’ve been after 15 attempts up the gut. Really poor coaching all around yesterday.

 

 

Yeah...LaFleur had a terrible game plan yesterday and did a poor job adjusting. He's a young coach and we've played well, so hopefully, he'll do better in the future.

 

You can run outside and do those little pitches only if you've got them on their heels and you're pounding the ball down their throats. If you're not consistently doing anything, White and David are just too athletic.

[CheezWizHed]

A couple positive shout-outs:

-Adams: No, not that one. Montravius. Finally showed up in the game and played well. I've called for his replacement several times over the last two years, but if he can keep that up, he was worth keeping.

- Jackson: Yes, he gave up a TD and had a big pass interference. But even on the PI, he got back into good position...just forgot to turn around for the ball. He was also very active with tackling and decent in coverage otherwise.

- Barnes: Doesn't have the speed of a White, but he sticks his nose in and makes sound tackles. Hoping to see Martin and Barnes side-by-side soon.

 

And some negative shout-outs:

- Lowry: Someone needs to remind him that he has forward gears and not just reverse. He made 5 tackles yesterday, but the big running plays seemed to be right past him each time.

- Rodgers: Running scared after the first quarter and his accuracy dropped back to last year's.

-Amos: I'm beginning to wonder if he might get cut to save salary cap. For a big veteran signing, he seems very vanilla. Not French Vanilla or even Watkins brand.... Some generic imitation vanilla. He is ok and normally in the spot he is supposed to be. But rarely seems to make any big plays.

[nate82]

 

-Amos: I'm beginning to wonder if he might get cut to save salary cap. For a big veteran signing, he seems very vanilla. Not French Vanilla or even Watkins brand.... Some generic imitation vanilla. He is ok and normally in the spot he is supposed to be. But rarely seems to make any big plays.

 

That was the problem with him in Chicago he is a good safety especially against the run and is a sure tackler. He just doesn't create turnovers though his hands are above average for a safety and he should get more interceptions but never does.

[CheezWizHed]

 

-Amos: I'm beginning to wonder if he might get cut to save salary cap. For a big veteran signing, he seems very vanilla. Not French Vanilla or even Watkins brand.... Some generic imitation vanilla. He is ok and normally in the spot he is supposed to be. But rarely seems to make any big plays.

 

That was the problem with him in Chicago he is a good safety especially against the run and is a sure tackler. He just doesn't create turnovers though his hands are above average for a safety and he should get more interceptions but never does.

 

I have a lower bar for "big plays". I remember the knock of him for lack of interceptions. But even a key pass knockdown, a big tackle short of the 1st down, or a QB blitz (granted that is partly on play calls). After a year in the system, I expected him to step up a bit, but it looks like he regressed from last year. He is a mostly solid tackler (though he had some issues there too), but he often tackles the player after a big play is completed - kind of like Martinez last year. He gets in position for a pass defense, but still lets the receiver to catch the ball.