What is your 2020-2021 offseason plan for the Brewers?

[brewcrewdue80]

With five 40-man spots left plus a “They can’t really have six catchers on the 40-man heading into camp” spot, I guess that might mean one starter, one reliever, two infielders, one of which is a third baseman, and an outfielder. Then for the last one, maybe a random waived middle infielder with an option left (this year’s Ronny Rodriguez).

 

It has been awhile since they went this route, but it wouldn't surprise me to see them grab a guy in the Rule 5 draft this year. I could see a pitcher, utility IF or 5th OF grabbed. Some of the names I like include OF Will Benson from the Indians, RP Will Kincanon from the White Sox, INF Kevin Maitan from the Angels, RHP Jose Alberto Rivera from the Astros, 3B Joe Rizzo from the Mariners, LHP Thomas Burrows from the Braves, UTL Kevin Kramer from the Pirates, and RHP Riley Pint from the Rockies.

 

Lets bring together the dream team we mused about. Riley Pint and then trade for Seth Beer.

But Whoa Pint has been bad.

Beer though seems to K less than expected.

[CheeseheadInQC]

It has been awhile since they went this route, but it wouldn't surprise me to see them grab a guy in the Rule 5 draft this year. I could see a pitcher, utility IF or 5th OF grabbed. Some of the names I like include OF Will Benson from the Indians, RP Will Kincanon from the White Sox, INF Kevin Maitan from the Angels, RHP Jose Alberto Rivera from the Astros, 3B Joe Rizzo from the Mariners, LHP Thomas Burrows from the Braves, UTL Kevin Kramer from the Pirates, and RHP Riley Pint from the Rockies.

 

I could see them going a little further down the upside list for a reliever like De Geus or Kasowski from the Dodgers too.

[MNBrew]

If the interest is low elsewhere and is sincere from MIL, I'd think the chance for regular playing time for Travis Shaw in MIL would hold some appeal. He & Gyorko are known quantities and would possibly make quite a nice fit here. Those two & Vogelbach -- assuming they're functioning & hitting mostly like their better selves -- could mean good production at a very reasonable cost.

 

The Rule 5 idea is intriguing, too, but that always seems to be as much or more a matter of catching lightning in a bottle, which we already do enough at the MLB level.

 

Based on Rollie Time's payroll analysis above, there should be at least some money available to pay something of consequence for outside help that could make a difference.

[RollieTime]

One significant thing to keep in mind is that Yelich gets his $12 million raise starting next season so that could play a big part in the offseason decisions. Basically Garcia and Yelich’s salary this season will be equivalent to what Yelich will be making for the foreseeable future beginning in 2022.

[RollieTime]

I posted this in another thread, but figured it might be good to add it in here for discussion purposes.

 

After the Pablo Reyes signing, how about a Hiura for Jose Ramirez swap? You have Arcia, Urias, and Reyes battling it out up the middle, hoping that Arcia can replicate his 2020 and one of Urias and Reyes can take a step forward. Ramirez slides in at 3B and is on an extremely team friendly deal. Sign a solid bat for 1B like Asdrubal Cabrera and call it an offseason.

 

CF Cain

1B Cabrera

LF Yelich

3B Ramirez

C Narvaez

RF Garcia

SS Arcia

2B Urias/Reyes

P

[wibadgers23]

I really don’t mind the idea of trading Hiura but would rather trade him for a frontline starter. That plan does make sense though trading Hiura for a 3B and then moving Urias to 2B.

[PeaveyFury]

how about a Hiura for Jose Ramirez swap?

 

I would literally do that deal this second if it were legitimately on the table.

 

You probably have to add Turang to make it more palatable for the Indians, but I'd still be very much on board.

[sveumrules]

Ramirez ranks 4th in WAR since the start of the 2017 season & has 3/33 left on his deal.

 

Here's the remaining contract situations for the rest of the top dozen...

 

Trout (10/370), Mookie (12/275), Rendon (6/215), Yelich (9/202), Bregman (4/87), Lindor (1/~20), Judge (2/~25), Arenado (6/199), Freeman (1/22), Xander (5/100), JTR (TBD)

 

JRam projects for around 16-17 WAR over the next three years, so you're probably talking around 100 million-ish in surplus value.

 

Offer would probably need to be Hiura, Hader, Turang & Small...and I'm still pretty sure Cleveland could do better since even the Rays could afford to bid at 3/33.

[BrewBalls]

My offseason plan would be to make two trades to add cheap talent. Then fill out the roster via free agency.

1. Trade Josh Hader and Adrian Houser to the Mets for Dominic Smith and Brett Baty.

2. Trade Jacob Nottingham and Daniel Vogelbach for Wilmer Flores

3. Sign Tommy La Stella (3yrs/$27MM)

4. Sign James Paxton (2yrs/$16MM+incentives)

5. Sign Shelby Miller and Chasen Shreve to minor league deals

 

Payroll ($87.2MM)

 

Rotation: Woodruff, Burnes, Paxton, Lindblom and Lauer ($14.1MM)

 

Bullpen: Williams, Yardley, Suter, Topa, Peralta, Rasmussen, Black, Shreve/Wahl ($6.6MM)

 

Lineup: Cain, La Stella, Yelich, Hiura, Smith, Garcia, Narvaez, Arcia ($59.5MM)

 

Bench: Pina, Urias, W. Flores, Reyes, Taylor, Mathias/T. Lopes ($7MM)

[MNBrew]

My offseason plan would be to make two trades to add cheap talent. Then fill out the roster via free agency.

1. Trade Josh Hader and Adrian Houser to the Mets for Dominic Smith and Brett Baty.

2. Trade Jacob Nottingham and Daniel Vogelbach for Wilmer Flores

3. Sign Tommy La Stella (3yrs/$27MM)

4. Sign James Paxton (2yrs/$16MM+incentives)

5. Sign Shelby Miller and Chasen Shreve to minor league deals

 

Payroll ($87.2MM)

 

Rotation: Woodruff, Burnes, Paxton, Lindblom and Lauer ($14.1MM)

 

Bullpen: Williams, Yardley, Suter, Topa, Peralta, Rasmussen, Black, Shreve/Wahl ($6.6MM)

 

Lineup: Cain, La Stella, Yelich, Hiura, Smith, Garcia, Narvaez, Arcia ($59.5MM)

 

Bench: Pina, Urias, W. Flores, Reyes, Taylor, Mathias/T. Flores ($7MM)

- I like the money management side of what you put together, and I'd gladly go for all those signings.

- Hader AND Houser for Smith & Baty feels like an overpay... or at least a big gamble moving 2 proven MLB arms, one being 2x Reliever of the Year and still one of baseball's best. Hader is by far the Brewers' best tradable asset.

- If the Brewers trade Hader, I hope Stearns is going after David Phelps again in his next breath. The back end of the BP needs a little more proven/veteran presence than Suter & Peralta, who are hardly BP ace types (based on their performance to date). They can both be dynamite but can also be at least a bit inconsistent.

- I agree with moving Nottingham, but I want to see if the Vogelbach of MIL 2020 is the guy we still have, and it's not worth a part-time starting middle IF if Vogelbach is still something close to that guy (or better).

- Who is T. Flores? Did you mean Tim Lopes?

[BrewBalls]

My offseason plan would be to make two trades to add cheap talent. Then fill out the roster via free agency.

1. Trade Josh Hader and Adrian Houser to the Mets for Dominic Smith and Brett Baty.

2. Trade Jacob Nottingham and Daniel Vogelbach for Wilmer Flores

3. Sign Tommy La Stella (3yrs/$27MM)

4. Sign James Paxton (2yrs/$16MM+incentives)

5. Sign Shelby Miller and Chasen Shreve to minor league deals

 

Payroll ($87.2MM)

 

Rotation: Woodruff, Burnes, Paxton, Lindblom and Lauer ($14.1MM)

 

Bullpen: Williams, Yardley, Suter, Topa, Peralta, Rasmussen, Black, Shreve/Wahl ($6.6MM)

 

Lineup: Cain, La Stella, Yelich, Hiura, Smith, Garcia, Narvaez, Arcia ($59.5MM)

 

Bench: Pina, Urias, W. Flores, Reyes, Taylor, Mathias/T. Flores ($7MM)

- I like the money management side of what you put together, and I'd gladly go for all those signings.

- Hader AND Houser for Smith & Baty feels like an overpay... or at least a big gamble moving 2 proven MLB arms, one being 2x Reliever of the Year and still one of baseball's best. Hader is by far the Brewers' best tradable asset.

- If the Brewers trade Hader, I hope Stearns is going after David Phelps again in his next breath. The back end of the BP needs a little more proven/veteran presence than Suter & Peralta, who are hardly BP ace types (based on their performance to date). They can both be dynamite but can also be at least a bit inconsistent.

- I agree with moving Nottingham, but I want to see if the Vogelbach of MIL 2020 is the guy we still have, and it's not worth a part-time starting middle IF if Vogelbach is still something close to that guy (or better).

- Who is T. Flores? Did you mean Tim Lopes?

1. I was wavering between including Houser or Lauer as the second piece in the Mets trade but went with the former since I wasn't sure how much positive value Lauer has after his poor 2020 season but could easily swap out Houser for Lauer.

2. I think bringing in a David Phelps or Joakim Soria on a 1yr/$3MM deal is a great idea.

3. As for Vogelbach, I'm leaning towards his 2020 production to be an outlier similar to Jesus Aguilar's All-Star season so I'm looking to sell high on him. I am also a big fan of Wilmer Flores and think his solid numbers in 2020 are a sign on things to come.

4. Finally, yes, I meant Tim Lopes not Flores thank you for the correction.

[Eye Black]

I wonder if the Crew could get Wendle from the Rays? The Rays have an abundance of corner infielders, but look to need OFs or pitching. Wendle appears to play a good 3B and is controllable for 3 years. They also have Nate Lowe at 1B who may be a target. Just throwing another possibility out there.

 

Wendle is a good mention for Tampa to trade. I don't know if he has any options, surprised he's 30yrs old already. Arbitration this year 1st time.

Looks like moved down the pecking order and is more a LH bat to be platooned vs RHP. Has experience at 2b and 3b even a little SS.

 

Lowe on the other hand, looks like a fixture for the future for Tampa at 1b. You might wonder on Ji-Man Choi reunion as a 1b fix for Milw. I don't know what the ask would be but being Tampa it'd probably hurt.

Another Rays infielder that I think could have a Jake Cronenworth-type breakout in 2021 is Mike Brosseau. He isn’t currently penciled in as a starter for the Rays, and he’ll be turning 27 before the start of the baseball season. It would no doubt be a risky play, but he is the type of infielder that could potentially become a solid everyday third baseman if given an opportunity to prove himself.

 

After trading Nate Lowe earlier this offseason it’s also possible the Rays don’t have interest in moving another infielder.

[brewcrewdue80]

Solved the arb cases by signing Woodruff and Hader to deals today. Time to get to business on the offseason.

[RollieTime]

Brewers 2021 Payroll

 

Batters

Lorenzo Cain- $16 million

Christian Yelich- $14 million

Avisail Garcia- $10.5 million

Omar Narvaez- $2.5 million

Orlando Arcia- $2 million

Manny Pina- $1.65 million

Daniel Vogelbach- $1.4 million

Daniel Robertson- $900K

Keston Hiura- $600K

Luis Urias- $600K

Tyrone Taylor- $600K

Luke Maile- $600K

Jacob Nottingham- $600K

Total: $51.95 million

 

Starting Pitchers

Brandon Woodruff- $3.28 million

Josh Lindblom- $3 million

Corbin Burnes- $600K

Adrian Houser- $600K

Eric Lauer- $600K

Total: $8.08 million

 

Josh Hader- $6.67 million

Brent Suter- $1.55 million

Freddy Peralta- $1.2 million

Devin Williams- $600K

Eric Yardley- $600K

Drew Rasmussen- $600K

Justin Topa- $600K

Total: $11.82 million

 

Deferred/Buyouts

Ryan Braun- $4 million

Matt Garza- $2 million

Jedd Gyorko- $1 million

Eric Sogard- $500K

Total: $7.5 million

 

Total Current Payroll: $79.35 million

 

I would start with signing Justin Turner to a 2/$28 million contract, with him earning $11 million this season, $14 million in 2022, and a $3 million buyout, keeping the payroll down for this season. Next I would sign Asdrubal Cabrera for 1st base at 1/$4 million. Then I would let Vogelbach walk to clear the money.

 

Current payroll of $79.35 million + $15 million -$1.4 million = $92.95 million.

 

I would rely on Burnes and Woodruff continuing on their success from 2020 with Lauer bouncing back to his 2018-2019 form and being a solid mid rotation arm. If Houser can just be “fine”, we would be okay. I imagine we could see some of File, Bettinger, Rasmussen as rotation options in 2021 as well and that they will be rotated through to find who has the most initial success and stick with them. I think $93 million might be a little high for a payroll and if it is, a Hader trade could be in order. Maybe we could move Garcia with Hader and force a team like the Mets to take on that money and have the room to bring in a different option in the outfield at a much cheaper rate.

[wntrtxn21]

Brewers 2021 Payroll

 

Batters

Lorenzo Cain- $16 million

Christian Yelich- $14 million

Avisail Garcia- $10.5 million

Omar Narvaez- $2.5 million

Orlando Arcia- $2 million

Manny Pina- $1.65 million

Daniel Vogelbach- $1.4 million

Daniel Robertson- $900K

Keston Hiura- $600K

Luis Urias- $600K

Tyrone Taylor- $600K

Luke Maile- $600K

Jacob Nottingham- $600K

Total: $51.95 million

 

Starting Pitchers

Brandon Woodruff- $3.28 million

Josh Lindblom- $3 million

Corbin Burnes- $600K

Adrian Houser- $600K

Eric Lauer- $600K

Total: $8.08 million

 

Josh Hader- $6.67 million

Brent Suter- $1.55 million

Freddy Peralta- $1.2 million

Devin Williams- $600K

Eric Yardley- $600K

Drew Rasmussen- $600K

Justin Topa- $600K

Total: $11.82 million

 

Deferred/Buyouts

Ryan Braun- $4 million

Matt Garza- $2 million

Jedd Gyorko- $1 million

Eric Sogard- $500K

Total: $7.5 million

 

Total Current Payroll: $79.35 million

 

I would start with signing Justin Turner to a 2/$28 million contract, with him earning $11 million this season, $14 million in 2022, and a $3 million buyout, keeping the payroll down for this season. Next I would sign Asdrubal Cabrera for 1st base at 1/$4 million. Then I would let Vogelbach walk to clear the money.

 

Current payroll of $79.35 million + $15 million -$1.4 million = $92.95 million.

 

I would rely on Burnes and Woodruff continuing on their success from 2020 with Lauer bouncing back to his 2018-2019 form and being a solid mid rotation arm. If Houser can just be “fine”, we would be okay. I imagine we could see some of File, Bettinger, Rasmussen as rotation options in 2021 as well and that they will be rotated through to find who has the most initial success and stick with them. I think $93 million might be a little high for a payroll and if it is, a Hader trade could be in order. Maybe we could move Garcia with Hader and force a team like the Mets to take on that money and have the room to bring in a different option in the outfield at a much cheaper rate.

 

 

Turner is looking for a 4 year contract at $17-20M per. He's not happening. Maybe LaStella (baring any Hader trade for a 3B) at 2/$14M is about as high as Arnold can go for a FA. I really like your Cabrera move and maybe he could be had for a little less than $4M. However even these moves brings the payroll in at $90M and I don't know if Arnold will be allowed to go there.

[wibadgers23]

Yeah the projected payroll is around $85 million and I know that’s just a projection but if true, that would only leave about $6 million to spend which is extremely depressing.

[MNBrew]

Yeah the conjectured payroll is around $85 million and I know that’s just a projection but if true, that would only leave about $6 million to spend which is extremely depressing.

Fixed. Nothing definitive has been reported. It's all conjecture & speculation.

 

I agree that $6M isn't going to land a headline-worthy addition, and that would mean some signings like last year that might be fine, might be lousy, and might be nothing.

 

However, the right couple FAs might be worth spending a bit on, and even a halfway decent team might have a pretty good chance of grabbing the top spot in the division. At least we're not subtracting.

 

As we know well by now, the offseason is glitzy fun but winning from April-October is more important than winning the headlines from November-February.

[Vollbc74]

1. Trade Josh Hader and Prospect (15-20) to Mets for JD Davis and Joey Luchessi

2. Trade Adrian Houser and Avisail Garcia to BOS for Andrew Benintendi

3. Trade Omar Narvaez to NYY for Jonahan Loaisiga

4. Sign Tommy La Stella (3yrs/$27MM)

 

 

Payroll ($78.05MM)

 

Rotation: Woodruff, Burnes, Loaisiga, Lindblom and Luchessi ($10.2MM)

 

Bullpen: Williams, Yardley, Suter, Topa, Peralta, Rasmussen, Black, Lauer ($6.1MM)

 

Lineup: Cain, La Stella, Yelich, Hiura, Davis, Benintendi, Pina, Arcia ($50.15MM)

 

Bench: Nottingham, Urias, Taylor, Robertson, Vogelbach ($4.1MM)

 

Deferrals/Buyouts: ($7.5MM)

[wallus]

Sign Rosario for 2 years, 12 mil

Sign La Stella for 2 years, 14 mil

Sign Walker for 2 years, 16 mil

 

Put deferrals and backload these contracts to make it work. Plan on not bringing back Garcia next season. I like this better than giving one guy a really big contract (Turner). The fact that we have had discussions with guys like Turner, indicates there is money available to spend.

 

Cain (CF)

Yelich (1B)

Garcia (RF)

Rosario (LF)

Hiura (2B)

La Stella (3B)

Urias (SS)

Narvaez ©

P

 

Woodruff

Burnes

Walker

Lindblom

Houser

[wntrtxn21]

Sign Rosario for 2 years, 12 mil

Sign La Stella for 2 years, 14 mil

Sign Walker for 2 years, 16 mil

 

Put deferrals and backload these contracts to make it work. Plan on not bringing back Garcia next season. I like this better than giving one guy a really big contract (Turner). The fact that we have had discussions with guys like Turner, indicates there is money available to spend.

 

Cain (CF)

Yelich (1B)

Garcia (RF)

Rosario (LF)

Hiura (2B)

La Stella (3B)

Urias (SS)

Narvaez ©

P

 

Woodruff

Burnes

Walker

Lindblom

Houser

 

Many players won't accept any deferred contracts. They could be losing out on tax deferred income. Back loaded contracts often times come back to haunt payroll constricted teams. Especially when they get to the point of competing. There is no easy answer with a very limited payroll.

[SRB]

Sign Justin Turner for 3/$45 million

Sign C.J. Cron for 1/$5 million

No significant trades

 

CF Cain

LF Yelich

2B Hiura

3B Turner

1B Vogelbach/Cron (platoon)

RF Garcia

C Narvaez/Pina

SS Urias/Arcia

 

SP Woodruff

SP Burnes

SP Lindblom

SP Houser

SP Lauer/Peralta

[brewcrewdue80]

Brewers 2021 Payroll

 

Batters

Lorenzo Cain- $16 million

Christian Yelich- $14 million

Avisail Garcia- $10.5 million

Omar Narvaez- $2.5 million

Orlando Arcia- $2 million

Manny Pina- $1.65 million

Daniel Vogelbach- $1.4 million

Daniel Robertson- $900K

Keston Hiura- $600K

Luis Urias- $600K

Tyrone Taylor- $600K

Luke Maile- $600K

Jacob Nottingham- $600K

Total: $51.95 million

 

Starting Pitchers

Brandon Woodruff- $3.28 million

Josh Lindblom- $3 million

Corbin Burnes- $600K

Adrian Houser- $600K

Eric Lauer- $600K

Total: $8.08 million

 

Josh Hader- $6.67 million

Brent Suter- $1.55 million

Freddy Peralta- $1.2 million

Devin Williams- $600K

Eric Yardley- $600K

Drew Rasmussen- $600K

Justin Topa- $600K

Total: $11.82 million

 

Deferred/Buyouts

Ryan Braun- $4 million

Matt Garza- $2 million

Jedd Gyorko- $1 million

Eric Sogard- $500K

Total: $7.5 million

 

Total Current Payroll: $79.35 million

 

I would start with signing Justin Turner to a 2/$28 million contract, with him earning $11 million this season, $14 million in 2022, and a $3 million buyout, keeping the payroll down for this season. Next I would sign Asdrubal Cabrera for 1st base at 1/$4 million. Then I would let Vogelbach walk to clear the money.

 

Current payroll of $79.35 million + $15 million -$1.4 million = $92.95 million.

 

I would rely on Burnes and Woodruff continuing on their success from 2020 with Lauer bouncing back to his 2018-2019 form and being a solid mid rotation arm. If Houser can just be “fine”, we would be okay. I imagine we could see some of File, Bettinger, Rasmussen as rotation options in 2021 as well and that they will be rotated through to find who has the most initial success and stick with them. I think $93 million might be a little high for a payroll and if it is, a Hader trade could be in order. Maybe we could move Garcia with Hader and force a team like the Mets to take on that money and have the room to bring in a different option in the outfield at a much cheaper rate.

 

 

Turner is looking for a 4 year contract at $17-20M per. He's not happening. Maybe LaStella (baring any Hader trade for a 3B) at 2/$14M is about as high as Arnold can go for a FA. I really like your Cabrera move and maybe he could be had for a little less than $4M. However even these moves brings the payroll in at $90M and I don't know if Arnold will be allowed to go there.

 

Who is Arnold?

 

On Turner. He's 36. Michael Brantley is 34 and more athletic. Brantley could only get a 2yr contract even though his bat compares with Turner's. It's a depressed market for majority of teams. Turner won't be getting a 4yr contract. I'll quit BF if he does.

Turner has regressed from his last contract that one was 4years 64 mil from LA who back loaded the last 2 years at 19&20mil. If the guy having his best season at age 31season turning 32 can only get a 4yr contract at 16AAV from the Dodgers. He sure as heck after regressing isnt approaching 17-20M-AAV 4years later.

 

I see now why the projection for him was 2-24. Get caught up he made 20mil last season as if that was what his value had been in a recent 1yr or 2yr deal. But it's just a backloaded amount. He accepted 25mil those first 2 seasons that should be the max right there for him 2-25. This goes back to my 2yr with mutual option 3rd yr. 10, 12, and 3 buyout. With 15 if mutually agreed. Max 3-37 or 2-25 guaranteed.

 

If you can get Cabrera for 3.5-4mil to play 1b with Vogelbach as backup. That would go a long way improving the outlook of this offseason.

[wntrtxn21]

Brewers 2021 Payroll

 

Batters

Lorenzo Cain- $16 million

Christian Yelich- $14 million

Avisail Garcia- $10.5 million

Omar Narvaez- $2.5 million

Orlando Arcia- $2 million

Manny Pina- $1.65 million

Daniel Vogelbach- $1.4 million

Daniel Robertson- $900K

Keston Hiura- $600K

Luis Urias- $600K

Tyrone Taylor- $600K

Luke Maile- $600K

Jacob Nottingham- $600K

Total: $51.95 million

 

Starting Pitchers

Brandon Woodruff- $3.28 million

Josh Lindblom- $3 million

Corbin Burnes- $600K

Adrian Houser- $600K

Eric Lauer- $600K

Total: $8.08 million

 

Josh Hader- $6.67 million

Brent Suter- $1.55 million

Freddy Peralta- $1.2 million

Devin Williams- $600K

Eric Yardley- $600K

Drew Rasmussen- $600K

Justin Topa- $600K

Total: $11.82 million

 

Deferred/Buyouts

Ryan Braun- $4 million

Matt Garza- $2 million

Jedd Gyorko- $1 million

Eric Sogard- $500K

Total: $7.5 million

 

Total Current Payroll: $79.35 million

 

I would start with signing Justin Turner to a 2/$28 million contract, with him earning $11 million this season, $14 million in 2022, and a $3 million buyout, keeping the payroll down for this season. Next I would sign Asdrubal Cabrera for 1st base at 1/$4 million. Then I would let Vogelbach walk to clear the money.

 

Current payroll of $79.35 million + $15 million -$1.4 million = $92.95 million.

 

I would rely on Burnes and Woodruff continuing on their success from 2020 with Lauer bouncing back to his 2018-2019 form and being a solid mid rotation arm. If Houser can just be “fine”, we would be okay. I imagine we could see some of File, Bettinger, Rasmussen as rotation options in 2021 as well and that they will be rotated through to find who has the most initial success and stick with them. I think $93 million might be a little high for a payroll and if it is, a Hader trade could be in order. Maybe we could move Garcia with Hader and force a team like the Mets to take on that money and have the room to bring in a different option in the outfield at a much cheaper rate.

 

 

Turner is looking for a 4 year contract at $17-20M per. He's not happening. Maybe LaStella (baring any Hader trade for a 3B) at 2/$14M is about as high as Arnold can go for a FA. I really like your Cabrera move and maybe he could be had for a little less than $4M. However even these moves brings the payroll in at $90M and I don't know if Arnold will be allowed to go there.

 

Who is Arnold?

 

On Turner. He's 36. Michael Brantley is 34 and more athletic. Brantley could only get a 2yr contract even though his bat compares with Turner's. It's a depressed market for majority of teams. Turner won't be getting a 4yr contract. I'll quit BF if he does.

Turner has regressed from his last contract that one was 4years 64 mil from LA who back loaded the last 2 years at 19&20mil. If the guy having his best season at age 31season turning 32 can only get a 4yr contract at 16AAV from the Dodgers. He sure as heck after regressing isnt approaching 17-20M-AAV 4years later.

 

I see now why the projection for him was 2-24. Get caught up he made 20mil last season as if that was what his value had been in a recent 1yr or 2yr deal. But it's just a backloaded amount. He accepted 25mil those first 2 seasons that should be the max right there for him 2-25. This goes back to my 2yr with mutual option 3rd yr. 10, 12, and 3 buyout. With 15 if mutually agreed. Max 3-37 or 2-25 guaranteed.

 

If you can get Cabrera for 3.5-4mil to play 1b with Vogelbach as backup. That would go a long way improving the outlook of this offseason.

 

Matt Arnold

[Eye Black]

Who is Arnold?

The poster was referring to Brewers GM, Matt Arnold.

[brewcrewdue80]

Who is Arnold?

The poster was referring to Brewers GM, Matt Arnold.

 

Oh. Behind the curve. Iike AmFam field it'll take a bit to adjust away from Stearns. So as new GM wouldn't you think he wants 1 splash signing or trade before the season begins? The idea gets my hopes up a little more on Turner.