Packers 2020 team discussion

[homer]

Can someone remind me of the IR rules now since they've changed so much in the past several years? If I recall correctly the rule starting this year is that it basically works like an MLB IL, with a 3-week minimum but unlimited players can return?

 

If I'm understanding it correctly, ESB/Lazard/Kirksey can ALL come back at some point this year.

 

Is it three weeks or three games? I assume the bye counts but not sure.

[LouisEly]

Three weeks, which I believe is why they put ESB on IR - because he would only miss two games.

 

I want to know what punter they have on speed dial in case Scott can't go on Monday.

[PinaMadness]

Three weeks, which I believe is why they put ESB on IR - because he would only miss two games.

 

I want to know what punter they have on speed dial in case Scott can't go on Monday.

We're going for it every time.

[Oxy]

Three weeks, which I believe is why they put ESB on IR - because he would only miss two games.

 

I want to know what punter they have on speed dial in case Scott can't go on Monday.

We're going for it every time.

 

 

I bet Jordan Love has a pretty good leg.

[nodakfan17]

I recall Ryan Longwell punting in a Packer game due to a mid-game injury, but I don’t think Mason Crosby has every punted in an NFL game.

 

The 2020 COVID rules prevent teams from signing players off the street without a multi-day hold period for testing. That means we’ll see either Scott, Crosby, or someone already in the building punt tonight.

[PinaMadness]

[homer]

I don't see a defense in the NFL stopping this offense assuming they stay relatively healthy.

[homer]

Does it seem like the Packers receivers are consistently open by a pretty good distance? It just feels like most times the guys have two yards or more of separation between them and the nearest defender. I'm sure this is tracked somewhere but I don't know where to look.

[CheezWizHed]

There is a stark contrast between this year and the last years of MM where teams familiar with his scheme (i.e. Vikings/Bears) seemed to run our routes with us.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Rodgers is getting rid of the ball much faster than the last several years. One of the bonuses of that means defenders respect that short game and can be a half step slow when a WR cuts and goes downfield instead. If they are accustomed to Rodgers looking for something down field, they will lean toward defending a longer pass. But this year they've had to respect passes out of the backfield and quick hits 1-2 seconds after the snap.

[CheezWizHed]

The 2 or 3 WR bunch has created a lot of confusion for CBs too. At least twice last night we had guys wide open (i.e. Jones' TD catch) simply by forcing their defense to communicate and catching them failing to do so (which sound eerily similar to our defenses of the past trying to cover those bunch formations).

[homer]

Any injury updates from last night? Deguara was the one I thought looked bad.

[CheezWizHed]

It was a little curious that Deguara didn't look quite "right" in the first place. Given how others played and the depth of the position, he certainly could've taken the night off. Or at least just be active for emergencies.

[nodakfan17]

Common sense says BG has a long-term plan for Jordan Love and he’s therefore untouchable in trade talks. Hypothetically, if the Packers are 7-1 going into the trade deadline and a QB-needy team inquires about Love, would you move him? For what price?

[CheezWizHed]

Absolutely moveable! He hasn't shown anything yet. Price is always the key - Obviously more than we spent to get him.

 

Rodgers resurgence obviously makes that more of an option too.

[adambr2]

Common sense says BG has a long-term plan for Jordan Love and he’s therefore untouchable in trade talks. Hypothetically, if the Packers are 7-1 going into the trade deadline and a QB-needy team inquires about Love, would you move him? For what price?

 

I'm always open to moving a player for the right price,; in this case you'd have to get back more than the #26 pick that you put into him.

 

I can't see this actually happening for several reasons, though. A team that needs a QB now at mid-season 2020 isn't looking for a Jordan Love. He's not NFL-ready, he's not even our backup QB. He's not going anywhere and helping someone else in a new system win in Week 10 of this season.

 

Love has always been a 2 to 3 year project and still is. He's more likely to be dealt in the off-season, but even then I have a hard time seeing it happen. Even if WE believe he is in a much better spot after 1 year, how is any other GM going to know that enough to compensate properly for him?

 

It's possible Love gets dealt in 2 to 3 years if Rodgers is still playing at a very high level and showing no signs of decline. You'd be hard pressed to recoup his value though after 2 to 3 years of no game action for anyone to go off of. But no one would want him now for a win now move.

[PeaveyFury]

Yep, Love has more value overall to the Packers as the guy they develop over the next 2-3 years to replace Rodgers just like they did with Rodgers from 05-07.

[nodakfan17]

Josiah Deguara is out for the year with a torn ACL.

[HiAndTight]

Common sense says BG has a long-term plan for Jordan Love and he’s therefore untouchable in trade talks. Hypothetically, if the Packers are 7-1 going into the trade deadline and a QB-needy team inquires about Love, would you move him? For what price?

 

I'm always open to moving a player for the right price,; in this case you'd have to get back more than the #26 pick that you put into him.

 

I can't see this actually happening for several reasons, though. A team that needs a QB now at mid-season 2020 isn't looking for a Jordan Love. He's not NFL-ready, he's not even our backup QB. He's not going anywhere and helping someone else in a new system win in Week 10 of this season.

 

Love has always been a 2 to 3 year project and still is. He's more likely to be dealt in the off-season, but even then I have a hard time seeing it happen. Even if WE believe he is in a much better spot after 1 year, how is any other GM going to know that enough to compensate properly for him?

 

It's possible Love gets dealt in 2 to 3 years if Rodgers is still playing at a very high level and showing no signs of decline. You'd be hard pressed to recoup his value though after 2 to 3 years of no game action for anyone to go off of. But no one would want him now for a win now move.

 

 

 

Agree on all counts. Love was so clearly a guy who was at least a 2 year project.

 

 

I wish people would just forget about Jordan Love for a while. Even as the Packers are dominating, the success is far too often attributed to Jordan Love being picked and "lighting a fire" under Rodgers(because the mild mannered Rodgers wasn't competitive enough without said pick) or the "imagine how they'd look if they'd used that pick on a DL."

 

In the end, if Rodgers is playing great in 3 years and Love has looked really good, I think he gets traded like Jimmy G did. But even that it's taking for granted that Rodgers continues playing THIS good and Love develops.

 

 

 

But since it was just a hypothetical, I'd trade Love for a really good young player or a 1st rounder in next years draft from a team that was below .500 halfway through the year. Especially since Jordan Love damn sure wouldn't help them win games this year.

[HiAndTight]

Josiah Deguara is out for the year with a torn ACL.

 

 

That hurts. I think. They seem to have a pretty good idea of what's going on and they liked him, so...I guess Lovett will have to be the guy the rest of this year.

 

Hopefully, he's back in year 2. I just know this is going to lead to MORE people complaining about the draft though(not on this board...)

[owbc]

I don't follow the Packers too closely but from what I've seen they look like a serious Super Bowl contender. Are Packers fans too jaded to bring this up at this point? If so, I will. This team is going to be in the Super Bowl this year. The Seahawks are the only team that could potentially challenge that and without home field advantage I doubt they will.

[nodakfan17]

One Super Bowl win the the last 24 years has caused me to take a very measured approach to every season. I love this team and enjoy watching every week, but I won’t allow myself to dream about another title until they win an NFC Championship. That being said, there are some very likable guys on this team and I still find myself hoping this is the year they break through again.

[CheezWizHed]

I love the Offense, but the defense has me concerned. If we made a move to upgrade the DL so we could be simply average at stopping the run, I'd feel better. We have had far too many teams look incredible offensively and fail miserably defensively to really feel confident about the SB this year.

 

Plus, we are 4 games in. Come back at 12 games and see. Being hot early and cooling off also happens to teams...

[thebruce44]

I don't follow the Packers too closely but from what I've seen they look like a serious Super Bowl contender. Are Packers fans too jaded to bring this up at this point? If so, I will. This team is going to be in the Super Bowl this year. The Seahawks are the only team that could potentially challenge that and without home field advantage I doubt they will.

 

Here's why I'm still nervous (and I hope someone can tell me why I'm wrong):

 

Last year the 49ers had a very successful game plan to not only win, but to completely dominate GB. Essentially, they ran it down our throats at will.

 

Did the Packers improve from last season? Absolutely! Even without any WRs, this might be the best offense in the league. That being said, one of the most effective ways to neutralize a prolific offense is to control time of possession by running the ball. If we have not improved at stopping the run our other improvements on the offensive end can be limited.

[bjkrautk]

The Seahawks are the only team that could potentially challenge that and without home field advantage I doubt they will.

 

IMO, it's just presumptuous to think this away. I don't expect Green Bay to go 16-0, and the two teams don't play each other. Home Field throughout is not guaranteed, and given the expanded playoff field, also carries with it the lone first round bye. I do think this is a very good Packers team, especially since Rodgers has the pinpoint accuracy back on his deep throws, and the offense has enough wrinkles to it to put pressure on the linebackers and safeties, even when the top WRs have been hurt.

 

I'm more worried about beating Tom Brady after the bye than anything else.