Packers 2020 team discussion

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Tom Pelissero

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#Packers DC Mike Pettine’s contract is expiring and he will not return in 2021, source said.

[PinaMadness]

 

Tom Pelissero

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#Packers DC Mike Pettine’s contract is expiring and he will not return in 2021, source said.

[HiAndTight]

 

Tom Pelissero

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#Packers DC Mike Pettine’s contract is expiring and he will not return in 2021, source said.

 

 

What...a glorious day!!!!!

 

Just saw the alert from the Journal. Now get the new guy a nice athletic DE and a hybrid Safety and this defense is pretty much set...forgot CB. So...just 3 good starters away!

[pacopete4]

Change can be good. Change can also be bad. We shall see.

[adambr2]

Change can be good. Change can also be bad. We shall see.

 

Well whoever it is, his predecessor made arguably the worst defensive call in NFL history, so nowhere to go but up.

 

This is a talented unit...I don't expect to have zero growing pains but they should still have a chance to be pretty good.

 

I would expect it will be a similar scheme, not a total overhaul or anything.

[brewcrewdue80]

The Athletic did an article on that exact thing yesterday but it's paywalled obviously. I don't think any team will give up a 1st. Given that the Packers pick late, #62 would be my guess, maybe #62 and a 4th or something and even that sounds hefty to me. If they're interested there's no way they can't find a way to do that. It's one season with a $17 million cap hit.

 

I would not be totally shocked if it ends just being a 3rd. All it takes is one other team to raise the price and I can't believe there would be fewer than 5 teams interested in a dice roll on Watt. Of course he wants to go to a winner, so the teams are limited.

 

I'd guess it's unlikely because it's just not the sort of thing the Packers do. I won't blame them if they'd rather stay away, but it's one of those moves that if it works...and you get one great 8-game stretch, he can be a difference maker. I'd be tempted to really limit his snap count until later in the year.

 

Only thing I have against giving up the 3rd is that wouldn't a loss of Watt to FA net a 3rd? So it'd have to be higher than 1 3rd to trade for him.

 

Moving on to a new DC. Say that entails a 4-3, would you think Gary stays as a LB?, or move up to DE play? Back where he played College. Smiths on outside, whomever wins the MLB. You have to feel with how he set the edge the second half of season and pass rush pressures on QB, he'd just fit there well without having LB role.

[CheezWizHed]

I don't think either Smith manages a LB spot in a 4-3 defense. I could see Gary/Z-Smith as DE. Not sure P.Smith fits a 4-3 at all.

[DHonks]

There was a time when I was praying we’d move to a 3-4. Now I’m kind of hoping we move back to a 4-3 to better manage the run-pass combo. Of course, our base defense for years has been neither, and I’d like to draft for whatever base defense we run, instead of drafting for 3-4 personnel and playing nickel/dime.

 

As for the play at the end of the half, interesting reading about the miscommunication between MLF and Petrine, with MLF saying 2-man and Petrine only hearing “man.”

 

I’ve gotten some weird satisfaction reading 3 articles recently that blamed Rodgers for the MVS missfire as a play that may have cost the game. Bob McGinn’s scathing criticism of Rodgers was strangely rewarding since so many call me a hater if I make a critique of his game. Also satisfying hearing Rodgers call that the pass that got away that he regretted most from the game

[adambr2]

Blaming Rodgers for costing us the game is a little perplexing to me. Rodgers was fine on Sunday, he hit some throws and missed a couple, it was not his best game but certainly not his worst. Brady threw 3 picks and is going to the Super Bowl.

 

This is kind of an illustration of our problem the last 10 years or so, we count on Aaron Rodgers being perfect to achieve our goals and we don't have much margin for error when he is not.

 

When I think of the reasons we lost on Sunday, the defensive play before halftime stands in a league of its own and the fumble right away by Jones in the 3Q is a very distant 2nd. Then there were some other things but the performance of Aaron Rodgers doesn't even really scratch the surface for me as a reason for us losing.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Rodgers was damn near perfect given what he was up against. By the 2nd half the offensive line was getting obliterated and he threw one pick where a penalty that wasn't called disrupted the timing of the route. On the Packers first scoring drive there was a 3rd and long that he completely Houdini'd a first down out of. If they punted there that game would have spiraled out of control even faster than it did. Adams drops that TD 1/100 times and the 2PT drop loomed large as well. Not converting that completely wrecked the end of the game.

 

The only people blaming Rodgers are Colin Cowherd and the people who listen to his show. It's insane.

 

McGinn jumped the shark years ago, I know that sounds like a fanboy thing to say but guy cannot stop himself from cutting Rodgers down regardless of the context. He has some vendetta with him and it's ruining his work. I know that Rodgers scoffed about McGinn like 7 years ago and it obviously rubbed him the wrong way.

 

I stopped listening to McGinn in 2016 when he claimed that Rodgers wasn't a lock for the Hall of Fame and had "fallen from ranks of great QBs." He sounds like Jermichael Finley, the amount of reach articles he's put out blaming Rodgers for anything under the sun while claiming that Brett Favre saved his career by teaching him intangibles or something. Whatever.

 

He was a great writer/analyst (I bought and loved his book) and now he just sounds like another tool.

[PinaMadness]

I still remember that column McGinn wrote where he stated that the team could win without him and the very next week Rodgers gets his shoulder separated and the Packers go on to post a 2-5-1 record or something like that without him. There's one freezing cold take for you.

[CheezWizHed]

There was a time when I was praying we’d move to a 3-4. Now I’m kind of hoping we move back to a 4-3 to better manage the run-pass combo. Of course, our base defense for years has been neither, and I’d like to draft for whatever base defense we run, instead of drafting for 3-4 personnel and playing nickel/dime.

 

In today's game, I actually think 3-4 and playing nickel/dime is the better choice in our pass-happy day. You still need skill players and good coordination between players to execute any defense well. The second half of the season, our defense played very well when our MLBs became healthy and got used to playing together (recognize none of our top 3 MLBs were on the team last year). Our run defense was much better.

 

We do have to understand that the NFL is setup for offense, so the years of the '85 Bears defense are long gone. Every defense is going to give up something - look at how badly we pounded the #1 D this year (Rams). So while getting gouged in the run game against the 49ers last year or the Viking this year can't happen, I'd prefer to focus on stopping the passing game and contain the run game rather than the inverse.

 

I do think changing our D-coordinator was the right move. And I hope they look for an up-and-comer instead of a retread.