Packers 2020 team discussion

[adambr2]

I have very low expectations for Tramon, but it’s nice to know he effectively puts a floor on the #4/5 corner spot so Josh Jackson doesn’t have to play meaningful time in the postseason.

 

Mark Ingram would also be a FA if he clears waivers. With these odd 2020 roster rules, they could also sign him to the practice squad as an insurance policy. Again, I don’t have any real expectations there, but I cringe at the thought of Dexter Williams taking snaps this time of year.

 

I mean we have Jones and Williams and Dillon ..I don't see a need for Ingram.

Not many extra snaps to go around as it is. I think at some point we're good with what got us here. I'd hate to see us disrupt the locker room too much by releasing guys at this point who were along for the ride the whole way.

[HiAndTight]

I have very low expectations for Tramon, but it’s nice to know he effectively puts a floor on the #4/5 corner spot so Josh Jackson doesn’t have to play meaningful time in the postseason.

 

Mark Ingram would also be a FA if he clears waivers. With these odd 2020 roster rules, they could also sign him to the practice squad as an insurance policy. Again, I don’t have any real expectations there, but I cringe at the thought of Dexter Williams taking snaps this time of year.

 

I think you're really overstating the problem Josh Jackson is. He's been at worst average since he's come in. We're just pretty solid at GB and he doesn't get a lot of snaps. You're acting like Jackson is Gunter or one of those awful DB's were had when we went to Atlanta in the NFCCG and Gunter was the guy who covered Julio.

 

I do like Tramon...and if he's even close to what he was last year and can give you a few snaps, he should be able to help out in the slot. Maybe they'll try and matchup Sullivan on Gronk and Tramon on Scotty Miller or even AB if he plays. That be obviously a limited number of plays and you're taking a risk in hoping that he's still effective. Much more likely he's just depth.

[nodakfan17]

I have very low expectations for Tramon, but it’s nice to know he effectively puts a floor on the #4/5 corner spot so Josh Jackson doesn’t have to play meaningful time in the postseason.

 

Mark Ingram would also be a FA if he clears waivers. With these odd 2020 roster rules, they could also sign him to the practice squad as an insurance policy. Again, I don’t have any real expectations there, but I cringe at the thought of Dexter Williams taking snaps this time of year.

 

I think you're really overstating the problem Josh Jackson is. He's been at worst average since he's come in. We're just pretty solid at GB and he doesn't get a lot of snaps. You're acting like Jackson is Gunter or one of those awful DB's were had when we went to Atlanta in the NFCCG and Gunter was the guy who covered Julio.

Josh Jackson has been a healthy scratch these past few weeks. He might not be a total liability, but he’s a ‘bottom of the roster’ guy.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I have very low expectations for Tramon, but it’s nice to know he effectively puts a floor on the #4/5 corner spot so Josh Jackson doesn’t have to play meaningful time in the postseason.

 

Mark Ingram would also be a FA if he clears waivers. With these odd 2020 roster rules, they could also sign him to the practice squad as an insurance policy. Again, I don’t have any real expectations there, but I cringe at the thought of Dexter Williams taking snaps this time of year.

 

I think you're really overstating the problem Josh Jackson is. He's been at worst average since he's come in. We're just pretty solid at GB and he doesn't get a lot of snaps. You're acting like Jackson is Gunter or one of those awful DB's were had when we went to Atlanta in the NFCCG and Gunter was the guy who covered Julio.

Josh Jackson has been a healthy scratch these past few weeks. He might not be a total liability, but he’s a ‘bottom of the roster’ guy.

 

He also started at CB when King was hurt. He's been a healthy scratch because the team has determined that other DBs on the roster are better on special teams. If King or Alexander were to go down, Jackson would be playing, because the team has viewed him all season as their third best perimeter corner.

[nodakfan17]

Kevin King was a DNP today due to a back issue.

[adambr2]

Kevin King was a DNP today due to a back issue.

 

I legitimately wonder if we would have won if he had been out.

[adambr2]

Hypothetical question:

 

Let's say Rodgers were to go to the FO this offseason and say "I want out. I've had enough. Trade me."

 

First, yes it is possible with the cap. Ideally if a move like this was made it wouldn't be til after 2021, but the massive cap hit for 2021 is fairly irrelevant in the scheme of things. You'd be looking at a retooling type year ala Rodgers 2008 anyway, plus with the cap depression in 2021 we'll probably be looking to shed payroll anyway and then look at 2022 as a possible spending spree if Love was successful in his first season.

 

My question is, what type of return do you think we'd be asking for and what teams would likely be the most serious in the bidding? I'd guess we'd be seeking 3 first round picks and have to settle for 2 given Rodgers' age, and San Francisco, New Orleans and Indianapolis would be the most likely destinations.

 

I fully realize that the far likelier scenario is Rodgers returning in 2021. I am asking hypothetically given his comments after yesterday's game.

[pacopete4]

If I was the FO, I would tell him to go take a vacation and we will see you this summer.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Hypothetical question:

 

Let's say Rodgers were to go to the FO this offseason and say "I want out. I've had enough. Trade me."

 

First, yes it is possible with the cap. Ideally if a move like this was made it wouldn't be til after 2021, but the massive cap hit for 2021 is fairly irrelevant in the scheme of things. You'd be looking at a retooling type year ala Rodgers 2008 anyway, plus with the cap depression in 2021 we'll probably be looking to shed payroll anyway and then look at 2022 as a possible spending spree if Love was successful in his first season.

 

My question is, what type of return do you think we'd be asking for and what teams would likely be the most serious in the bidding? I'd guess we'd be seeking 3 first round picks and have to settle for 2 given Rodgers' age, and San Francisco, New Orleans and Indianapolis would be the most likely destinations.

 

I fully realize that the far likelier scenario is Rodgers returning in 2021. I am asking hypothetically given his comments after yesterday's game.

 

They'd have to find some way to renegotiate his deal to lessen the cap hit the Packers would take. Would be tough, but there's always a way.

[adambr2]

Hypothetical question:

 

Let's say Rodgers were to go to the FO this offseason and say "I want out. I've had enough. Trade me."

 

First, yes it is possible with the cap. Ideally if a move like this was made it wouldn't be til after 2021, but the massive cap hit for 2021 is fairly irrelevant in the scheme of things. You'd be looking at a retooling type year ala Rodgers 2008 anyway, plus with the cap depression in 2021 we'll probably be looking to shed payroll anyway and then look at 2022 as a possible spending spree if Love was successful in his first season.

 

My question is, what type of return do you think we'd be asking for and what teams would likely be the most serious in the bidding? I'd guess we'd be seeking 3 first round picks and have to settle for 2 given Rodgers' age, and San Francisco, New Orleans and Indianapolis would be the most likely destinations.

 

I fully realize that the far likelier scenario is Rodgers returning in 2021. I am asking hypothetically given his comments after yesterday's game.

 

They'd have to find some way to renegotiate his deal to lessen the cap hit the Packers would take. Would be tough, but there's always a way.

 

Why? If Rodgers were to be traded, you're rolling with Love anyway. Rodgers counts about 38M against next year's cap and it would be about 31M if he were traded. I'd rather just eat the entire 31M right off the bat and start fresh in 2022 rather than spread it out.

[MrTPlush]

Aaron Rodgers really doesn’t strike me as a guy to demand a trade. It’s been frustrating for everyone in the organization...but it isn’t a disaster. Not really sure there is a better situation out there. I wouldn’t be shocked if he is slightly bluffing to get the Packers to finally do something for him that he really wants/believes in.

 

I just don’t see him demanding his way out.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't know everyone's capacity so I'm sure a bunch of these teams can't do it for one reason or another, but spots I think he'd do well:

 

Pittsburgh

SF

Rams

Indy

Our entire division but obviously an lol

 

Just a hunch but I feel like NO and NE are looking for more long term solutions.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Aaron Rodgers really doesn’t strike me as a guy to demand a trade. It’s been frustrating for everyone in the organization...but it isn’t a disaster. Not really sure there is a better situation out there. I wouldn’t be shocked if he is slightly bluffing to get the Packers to finally do something for him that he really wants/believes in.

 

I just don’t see him demanding his way out.

 

I think this is probably correct. But Gute wanting to move on after 2022 would not surprise me. From his perspective, he obviously thinks very highly of his own skills and if you're a guy like that, the prospect of a QB on a rookie deal and space to pursue players the way you want to, not the way you inherited the roster, has got to be tempting.

 

I think the separation would be much more amicable this time. Rodgers would embrace leaving GB, I think.

[PeaveyFury]

Why? If Rodgers were to be traded, you're rolling with Love anyway. Rodgers counts about 38M against next year's cap and it would be about 31M if he were traded. I'd rather just eat the entire 31M right off the bat and start fresh in 2022 rather than spread it out.

 

They'd gain about $5.5 million in cap space. If you acquired multiple draft picks in return for trading him, that's probably even enough space to sign those draft picks.

[adambr2]

Why? If Rodgers were to be traded, you're rolling with Love anyway. Rodgers counts about 38M against next year's cap and it would be about 31M if he were traded. I'd rather just eat the entire 31M right off the bat and start fresh in 2022 rather than spread it out.

 

They'd gain about $5.5 million in cap space. If you acquired multiple draft picks in return for trading him, that's probably even enough space to sign those draft picks.

 

I mean if you waited until after June 1st you could spread half the hit out over 2022. But most of those picks are probably 2022 or later picks. I don't think you're acquiring over $5.5M in 2021 picks.

[PeaveyFury]

Good point about the post June 1st move, which would free up ~$23 million. I can't imagine they'd want to move him and get nothing for 2021, though.

[adambr2]

My personal feeling is that there's probably at least a 90% chance that Rodgers is a Packer in 2021, but 50/50 at best for 2022 and gradually less beyond.

 

If the Packers win Super Bowl 56, I think that Rodgers would find that to be the perfect end to his career to finally make it back to the top of the mountain and would choose to go out that way and retire.

 

Failing that, I think Rodgers would probably like to go try his luck elsewhere for the last few years of his career, and if Love is progressing as hoped, Gute will comply. A "mutual parting of ways."

 

Either way, I think the stars are aligned for a divorce after one more season.

[PeaveyFury]

My personal feeling is that there's probably at least a 90% chance that Rodgers is a Packer in 2021, but 50/50 at best for 2022 and gradually less beyond.

 

If the Packers win Super Bowl 56, I think that Rodgers would find that to be the perfect end to his career to finally make it back to the top of the mountain and would choose to go out that way and retire.

 

Failing that, I think Rodgers would probably like to go try his luck elsewhere for the last few years of his career, and if Love is progressing as hoped, Gute will comply. A "mutual parting of ways."

 

Either way, I think the stars are aligned for a divorce after one more season.

 

I think this is all completely accurate.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Can't see him retiring next year if still playing well. I think he's on the Brady plan and wants to play to 43, 44. Years ago I believe he said he wanted to stop at 35.

[adambr2]

Can't see him retiring next year if still playing well. I think he's on the Brady plan and wants to play to 43, 44. Years ago I believe he said he wanted to stop at 35.

 

I don't think Rodgers has the same mindset as Brady on retirement. Brady has nothing left to accomplish -- I think he basically just wants to keep playing football as long as his body allows.

 

I think the plan for Rodgers is what it is right now because he's going into every season with unfinished business. Someday, he'll feel otherwise but I don't think he's totally at peace with his career right now. I think winning another Super Bowl would take a big weight off his shoulders and probably be the way he wants to go out. I think he'd feel like his career has come full circle and no longer desire to go back and grind through it all again especially after having so many disappointing ends.

 

That's just my own perception. We'll see. Or, I'd love to find out anyway.

[FVBrewerFan]

This is about a contract extension. One side or the other wants it, one doesn't or at least is undecided. They didn’t draft Love to be the starting QB in 2021. An option in case they want to move on in 2022? That makes sense, and good stewardship of the team to have a backup plan if Rodgers wants to move on, or his skills deteriorated in 2020, 2021. Let's remember, after the 2020 thar wasn't impossible.

 

Rodgers knows dang well 2022 the Packers have a real decision to make, and I think that's what he meant by his comments after the game. That his future was uncertain, but not next season.

 

I think they extend his contract two years over this off-season, freeing up cap space for next year and putting the speculation to rest. Otherwise the Giannis watch will be nothing compared to this. Besides, they need cap space to re-sign Kevin King.

[HiAndTight]

This is about a contract extension. One side or the other wants it, one doesn't or at least is undecided. They didn’t draft Love to be the starting QB in 2021. An option in case they want to move on in 2022? That makes sense, and good stewardship of the team to have a backup plan if Rodgers wants to move on, or his skills deteriorated in 2020, 2021. Let's remember, after the 2020 thar wasn't impossible.

 

Rodgers knows dang well 2022 the Packers have a real decision to make, and I think that's what he meant by his comments after the game. That his future was uncertain, but not next season.

 

I think they extend his contract two years over this off-season, freeing up cap space for next year and putting the speculation to rest. Otherwise the Giannis watch will be nothing compared to this. Besides, they need cap space to re-sign Kevin King.

 

Yeah, I agree with most of this post. I don't think Rodgers is going to force his way out, I think he was just as disgusted as the rest of us and with the Packers drafting a QB, simply said he was unsure.

 

I think we're really jumping the gun on the Jordan Love talk. He's talented, but we've got a historically great QB who's going to win the MVP this year and has said he wants to play well into his 40's. I just can't wrap my head around the Packers trying to force him out unless Love looks so good, it really is like Rodgers-Favre(and they didn't force Favre out, they wanted him back at a time when rookie salaries were not capped or set like they are now).

 

As for the last part...I genuinely don't know what to do with King. IF the cap is 196 like they've been saying by spreading the hit over the next few years, they COULD sign him. Maybe a better DC wouldn't leave him so exposed?

 

But I wouldn't make signing King a priority...I know that. I'd look at CB/OT as our top priorities.

[FVBrewerFan]

Sorry, my King comment shoyld have been blue.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Here's the rub for me. What exactly can the Packers do next year to get a lot better? Forget about the offense, as I think it's mostly negligible. They bring back Adams, MVS and Lazard probably at least stay as good, but one likely gets better. Tonyan is there. Dillon is there. The O-line will be fine.

 

They need a defensive star in that lineup. Someone that changes the game often, they just don't have that guy. Jaire is great, a star CB even, but he really isn't that type of guy. They can't go back and redo draft picks they've used or traded away. And the issue is they just don't appear to have the capital to make that sort of move. They are missing a JJ Watt, a Reggie White, even a Peppers, a young Clay Matthews and Charles Woodson. Smith has been good, but not that guy.

 

If all they do is run it back with no value added defensively, I just don't see them getting past Tampa and whatever monster defenses show up next year.

[PeaveyFury]

They COULD technically trade for Watt, who reportedly wants out of Houston. It may require the cap number to be set higher than anticipated and/or a Watt restructure, but it's a plausible trade....

 

Plus, other than King, they're not really losing anyone on the defensive side of the ball. They really can use all of their draft picks on defense if they really wanted to.