Packers 2020 team discussion

[LouisEly]

You would assume the Jets would take Lawrence even though they have Darnold but then again it's the Jets.

A team in need of a quarterback looking to trade up into the #1 spot would talk them into the trade, citing Darnold. Unfortunately for the Jets, Darnold is no Lawrence.

 

I think assuming the Jets trade down is assuming a lot. God it must suck to be a football fan in New York.

If they root for the right team, they've had two Super Bowl celebrations in the last 15 years.

[homer]

Giants have won 3, 5, and 4 games the last three seasons, they have a goober for a GM, and their best player just tore his ACL.

[GAME05]

If I'm the Jets I'm definitely taking Lawrence. Can anyone look at Darnold and say he's the QB who can get you to a SB?

 

Carolina will probably finish worse than Minnesota, too, and I can't imagine they're looking at Bridgewater as a long-term answer. If they grab Justin Fields that leaves Washington, Detroit and Minnesota to battle it out for that QB from North Dakota.

[FVBrewerFan]

If I'm the Jets I'm definitely taking Lawrence. Can anyone look at Darnold and say he's the QB who can get you to a SB?

 

Carolina will probably finish worse than Minnesota, too, and I can't imagine they're looking at Bridgewater as a long-term answer. If they grab Justin Fields that leaves Washington, Detroit and Minnesota to battle it out for that QB from North Dakota.

 

Maybe. I was at the Meadowlands when they played the Packers and I saw the arm strength, pocket awareness, feet. It's really hard to evaluate a QB when they're in a horrible situation like he's in. That said, I don't think they pass on Lawrence, nor would any of the other contenders for the #1 pick.

[PinaMadness]

Adam Gase is a quarterback killer. Darnold was fine until Gase came to town. Tannehill is playing the best ball of his career now. If the Jets get Lawrence, which I think they will, the Jets have to get rid of Gase. But I may be underestimating the incompetence of that organization.

[tmwiese55]

Good point on MN. Unfortunately the Bears have scraped their way to 3-0. GB doesn't play until end of Nov so we'll see how they do.

 

I'm taking Lawrence #1 no matter who I am, in regards to likely contenders for the pick. I suppose other than maybe Cin who just took a #1 overall last year. The rest of the teams will have had 2 years at least with whoever their young QB is and the team was still worst in the league. Lawrence will likely be considered the best/safest QB prospect since Luck, if not Manning. If I'm the Jets/Giants I take him and trade the other young guy for a later pick and call it a day. I'm actually one who doesn't think Darnold or the Giants QB suck too, I think they have a chance. But you can't pass on Lawrence.

[homer]

I'm not saying a team should NOT take Lawrence. They should. I'm saying the Jets are dumb enough to pass on him. And I also think they might just be dumb enough to keep the pick if they think they're going to pass on him.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Lawrence would have been the 1st overall pick in the previous two drafts had he been eligible to come out - whether or not he flames out in the NFL doesn't take away from the fact he's a transcendant talent for that position that teams just won't pass on. There are maybe a handful of NFL teams who wouldn't jump at the chance to take Lawrence had they had the 1st overall pick because they have their own franchise QB at the beginning or in the midst of their prime. KC, Baltimore, Seattle, Houston, maybe AZ - I honestly don't know if the list would or should go beyond that. The rest of them would draft Lawrence in a hot second if they had the opportunity to do so and worry about the fallout/succession plan later.

 

It wouldn't surprise me in the least for a team that is hardly ever in the top half of the draft making a big push to get the top overall pick in next year's draft - especially if the doormat team picking 1st overall has a young QB from a recent draft that they haven't yet given a full opportunity to develop. Just for kicks, I checked out the Patriots' situation related to their 2021 draft...Newton is on a 1-year deal, and they have 9 picks slated for 2021 that include 7 in the top 4 rounds due to compensatory picks for players leaving via free agency.

[homer]

One thing that's sort of flown under the radar this season is how little the Packers have missed Bryan Bulaga, Iowa.

[PeaveyFury]

Yeah. They really built a solid o-line despite the loss of a good RT.

[RobDeer 45]

Just saw TJ Watt's pass rush success rate is almost 30%...... I'm feeling very frustrated all over again, that we didn't draft him. Sorry for bringing this up!

[tmwiese55]

Wagner for Beluga seems a good or at least even swap and hopefully will be healthier.

 

At the time I understood the Watt draft. You got a good DB prospect and very comparable guy to Watt in Biegel rather than just Watt. Clearly that was wrong, should've trusted the Watt name.

[Fear The Chorizo]

One thing that's sort of flown under the radar this season is how little the Packers have missed Bryan Bulaga, Iowa.

 

Their Oline has been stellar to start the year - guessing it sure helped to have no crowds for their 1st two road games. Vikes' stadium and the SuperDome are not great spots for road O-lines...although key injuries to Viking and Saint Dlinemen undoubtedly helped them out, too.

[thebruce44]

One thing that's sort of flown under the radar this season is how little the Packers have missed Bryan Bulaga, Iowa.

 

Their Oline has been stellar to start the year - guessing it sure helped to have no crowds for their 1st two road games. Vikes' stadium and the SuperDome are not great spots for road O-lines...although key injuries to Viking and Saint Dlinemen undoubtedly helped them out, too.

 

The constant misdirection must help too. DLs must expend a lot of waisted effort throughout the game.

[wildcat83]

Rodgers cadence plus zero crowd noise is a nightmare for opposing pass rushers. That combo for sure makes life easier for our OL. Plus he’s getting the ball out quicker, and not scrambling around as much. A lot of things adding up to help out that line early on.

[HiAndTight]

Wagner for Beluga seems a good or at least even swap and hopefully will be healthier.

 

At the time I understood the Watt draft. You got a good DB prospect and very comparable guy to Watt in Biegel rather than just Watt. Clearly that was wrong, should've trusted the Watt name.

 

 

That's why I made a thread at that time asking what people thought about it...knowing that people would really bash the Packers if Watt became a stud. Most people were happy with trading back and taking King when there were 4 players available that all had similar grades at positions of need.

 

I was fine with it at the time because we needed corners so badly. Obviously with the benefit of hindsight, TJ Watt was the right choice(this is an understatement), but we have a very good young group of pass rushers right now and King has developed into a pretty good corner.

 

Actually, I think it was obvious that TJ Watt was gonna be a stud about 2 weeks into that season. Even as he got off to a slow start, he made a Madden-esque like leaping pick when they threw the ball into the flat to a guy about 10 yards behind Watt and he just snared it.

[HiAndTight]

One thing that's sort of flown under the radar this season is how little the Packers have missed Bryan Bulaga, Iowa.

 

Their Oline has been stellar to start the year - guessing it sure helped to have no crowds for their 1st two road games. Vikes' stadium and the SuperDome are not great spots for road O-lines...although key injuries to Viking and Saint Dlinemen undoubtedly helped them out, too.

 

 

It's been incredible. I didn't even notice that Billy Turner was in there at RT last week.

 

Most of us thought this offense would be better in year two, but I don't believe anyone when they said this type of performance was coming. Even in the threat I made that said Aaron Rodgers would have an MVP like year...I didn't really believe it.

 

I was absolutely wrong on Bulaga though. I thought Turner would be brutal at RT. He played there this past week and I didn't even notice until half way through the game. Wagner's been a stud.

 

Being able to run that outside zone and then run so much play action off of that has opened up this entire offense. And of course Rodgers being able to play with defenses has been a big advantage. 1 False start vs 5 off-side penalties, several of which have resulted in 1st downs and big plays.

[HiAndTight]

If I'm the Jets I'm definitely taking Lawrence. Can anyone look at Darnold and say he's the QB who can get you to a SB?

 

Carolina will probably finish worse than Minnesota, too, and I can't imagine they're looking at Bridgewater as a long-term answer. If they grab Justin Fields that leaves Washington, Detroit and Minnesota to battle it out for that QB from North Dakota.

 

Maybe. I was at the Meadowlands when they played the Packers and I saw the arm strength, pocket awareness, feet. It's really hard to evaluate a QB when they're in a horrible situation like he's in. That said, I don't think they pass on Lawrence, nor would any of the other contenders for the #1 pick.

 

 

I totally agree. But he's done in NY. The "I'm seeing Ghosts," really killed him. Jets fans can't seem to let that go.

 

But it's amazing to me how many QB's are ruined and out of the league or at least afterthoughts in just 2-3 years. Josh Rosen played for probably the least talented teams both of his years in the NFL. A former top 10 pick is now out of the league at 23 years old.

 

I think Sam Darnold absolutely has the potential to be a very good QB. Look at what Bell did when he went to the Jets? He had by far his worst season.

 

But Darnold needs to go somewhere and sit for 2 years, learn an offense and get comfortable. Maybe the Colts(though he wouldn't be sitting there). But a team with a really good OL and some weapons and I think he could be very good.

 

He was 7-6 with that dumpster fire that is the Jets roster last year.

 

But I think if you get a top 5 pick, you pick Fields or Lance and if you get the top pick...it's a no-brainer. Get Lawrence and dump Gase.

[homer]

Lazard out for the year. Crap.

[PinaMadness]

I've only seen indefinitely. Link?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Lazard out for the year. Crap.

 

It's probably an 8-week injury at minimum. So more or less.

 

They better hope St. Brown is ready to go after the bye.

[PinaMadness]

Maybe Love can fill in for Lazard.

[homer]

He is risen (not really, but maybe? What does it take to get a guy off a practice squad?)

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

He is risen (not really, but maybe? What does it take to get a guy off a practice squad?)

 

A phone call.

 

But they kept Malik Taylor over Kumerow for a reason, and there's probably a good chance to they want to see what they have in Taylor before signing a no ceiling guy like Kumerow.

[pacopete4]

No Kumerow. My god fans, move on.

 

Lazard will be a bigger loss than Adams. Guy does it all for the offense.