Packers 2020 team discussion

[PinaMadness]

Pittsburgh should be embarrassed.

[adambr2]

I'm not afraid of the Rams, but I respect them as a worthy divisional round opponent. Cam Akers is the real deal. "Snacks" may be a more important piece than we anticipated for our run.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I'm not afraid of the Rams, but I respect them as a worthy divisional round opponent. Cam Akers is the real deal. "Snacks" may be a more important piece than we anticipated for our run.

 

I don't expect Goff to be effective at all in those cold conditions, but it won't matter if the Packers let Akers go all "Raheem Mostert" on them. The Packers are going to have to stack the line and make Goff beat them. You're right that Harrison stands to be a huge part of the defensive gameplan. They are going to need Barnes and Martin to have the games of their lives too.

[wildcat83]

Packers open as 7 point favorites while Saints open as 3.5 point favorites.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

It'll be a catastrophic failure if the Packers don't win the NFC. If they were waiting for everything to fall in their favor, it's now. They shouldn't lose to any of these teams at Lambeau Field even if it can't be packed to the gills.

[HiAndTight]

Plenty of fans cheer for opposing teams injuries. Packers are usually up there in fan arrests as well. Heck, Google Packer fan fight/arrest and there’s plenty there to keep anyone busy for awhile. That’s the thinking that annoys me. That this fan base is above that stuff.

 

 

No...I'm not going to google and seek out Packers fan fights. That's an infinitesimal pct of the fan base and a pretty ridiculous standard by which to judge the fan base.

 

Green Bay games compared to games in Philly, Chicago, Detriot...etc...are exceptionally laid back. Going to a FB game in Packers gear in Chicago and you're treated much-MUCH worse than a Bears fan in GB. In fact, this is actually an area I wish the fans would get better. Get louder, get more into the games. But we have an older fan base, so our games aren't as loud as KC's or Seattle's. Not harassing other fans of course, but just the energy levels.

 

I'd like to know which fan base doesn't have some idiots getting drunk and getting into fights. This started over the idea that there was this outrage when Kumerow was cut and the fans "whined" about it and now it's somehow morphed into how we're like the Cards of MLB(which I don't understand either) or it's about actively seeking out negative news stories about individual fans. You have to see how this is an AWFUL way to judge arguably the most popular team in the world, right?

 

For the record, I've been to ~100 Packers games, I've literally never seen a single fight. I've seen some obnoxious drunk people obviously and I've usually seen them thrown out rather quickly and the section applauding that ejection.

 

I've seen you use the Cards fans comparison several times(in fact, I THOUGHT you'd previously said you were not a Packers fan...a Brewers/Bears fan, but I may have you confused)...but it makes even less sense in the way you're now trying to use it. If you just said Packers fans have a sense of arrogance or entitlement due to their History, I'd be inclined to agree, but claiming they're "up there," inferring they're among the worst in cheering other players injuries and fights at the game....I don't think there's any truth to that beyond an anecdote or so.

 

My brother went to a Washington game in D.C. back in '10. Was surrounded by a group of "fans" in the parking lot who harassed him and kicked his car on the way out just for having Packer gear on. And Washington WON that game.

 

I was at Favre's first game against the Packers on MNF in '09. Was just absolutely viciously ridiculed on my way out. Nothing I could do but grit my teeth and keep walking.

 

I'm not saying opposing fans at Lambeau don't have bad experiences from time to time but in all my times at Lambeau I've never seen opposing fans harassed beyond a little mutual teasing.

 

I will say I've been to the new Busch stadium a couple times in Brewer gear and never once been treated disrespectfully by Cardinal fans.

 

 

Yeah, those were all Stadiums I'd been to where the fans were really aggressive. At the same time, I went to Wrigley, St. Louis for baseball games and the fans were real friendly.

[HiAndTight]

Two things are being jumbled here. The Cards reference was to the fan base being arrogant know it alls that complain even though their front offices know better and continue to win consistently for decades. This wasn’t a comparison saying the Cards beat up opposing fans. Twitter/Facebook probably has done me in with how I view our fans.

 

The fan experience at Lambeau for opposing fans IS probably better than a lot of stadiums but to say there is nothing that ever occurs is just not correct. I’m sure there is plenty that occurs as Wisconsin sports fans are not immune to stupidity, especially with the amount of drinking that occurs. It was only brought up because Adam had mentioned that our fan base doesn’t throw beer bottles as the benchmark for a good fan base.

 

 

Ok....nobody ever said NOTHING ever happens there? You made the statement Packers fans are "up there" in arrests. Up where? You were the one talking about googling all the drunken fights that take place as though it was an extremely common event. Like we're White Sox fans in the '90s beating up 1st base coaches.

 

You started out inferring we had a reputation for being drunk and fighting...so yeah, I'd assume there are going to be idiots who get arrested when you have ~80,000 people in GB for a Football game. Nobody would ever dispute that.

[HiAndTight]

I'm not afraid of the Rams, but I respect them as a worthy divisional round opponent. Cam Akers is the real deal. "Snacks" may be a more important piece than we anticipated for our run.

 

I don't expect Goff to be effective at all in those cold conditions, but it won't matter if the Packers let Akers go all "Raheem Mostert" on them. The Packers are going to have to stack the line and make Goff beat them. You're right that Harrison stands to be a huge part of the defensive gameplan. They are going to need Barnes and Martin to have the games of their lives too.

 

 

This is a much different team. I don't see anyone just running all over us like the 49'ers did. The Rams defense though...they've got several guys who can pressure the QB if Donald's in the game eating up double teams. Floyd, Brockers...if Donald doesn't play, I don't see the Rams having much of a chance.

 

Snacks should be helpful, but getting Keke back would be even bigger. He's been a real steal in the 5th round for us. If Geoff IS healthy, they do have three really good receivers who can stress a defense.

 

It'll be a catastrophic failure if the Packers don't win the NFC. If they were waiting for everything to fall in their favor, it's now. They shouldn't lose to any of these teams at Lambeau Field even if it can't be packed to the gills.

 

Yup. This team has everything laid out in front of them perfectly. This is likely the last best chance to get Arod his 2nd ring.

[bjkrautk]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/11/jared-veldheer-signing-with-packers-set-to-make-nfl-playoff-history/

 

EDIT: Since the link gets collapsed by the board, the Packers have signed Jared Veldheer, who played for the Colts last weekend, but was elevated from the Practice Squad to do so, and is eligible to play for two teams in the same postseason.

[homer]

Sneaky good pick up.

[HiAndTight]

Sneaky good pick up.

 

 

I don't know how he played yesterday, BUT if he played as well as he played for us last year, this could be a huge signing and he should be our starter this week if he is still playing at that level.

 

This was an awesome pickup and one that I didn't think was possible.

[HarveysWBs]

Sneaky good pick up.

 

 

I don't know how he played yesterday, BUT if he played as well as he played for us last year, this could be a huge signing and he should be our starter this week if he is still playing at that level.

 

This was an awesome pickup and one that I didn't think was possible.

I highly doubt he got signed to be a starter, and I think Turner + Wagner are still the obviously best choices until proven otherwise, but I do feel around 17% better about this game knowing a capable backup tackle is in the hopper.

[CheezWizHed]

I didn't even know he was playing this year. Yes, that was a good pickup. But certainly, he is a backup..just a much better backup plan than we had previously.

[HiAndTight]

I didn't even know he was playing this year. Yes, that was a good pickup. But certainly, he is a backup..just a much better backup plan than we had previously.

 

 

I don't think that is certain. He JUST started for a good team at LT and played well.

 

He started at tackle for us just last year. But I guess we'll find out later this week one way or the other. A lot will likely depend on how he looks and feels after playing 79 snaps just a few days ago. If he doesn't start, at least he provides another option.

 

I knew he was playing this year only because Robinson IIRC, suggested we try and claim him off their practice squad when Bahk went down. At the time I knew that was unlikely because they'd also lost their LT to a season-ending injury...and it didn't even dawn on me we'd be able to claim him after they played a game.

[CheezWizHed]

No way are they going to plug in someone that hasn't been with the team all year (even if he started for them last year) to start their first playoff game. Playing OL is a team activity and playing well with the person next to you is almost as important as your individual skill. Even if Veldheer is better than Turner (given Veldheer was on the Colts practice squad...probably not), but knowing the calls, keeping consistency, playing with Jenkins are all advantages to Turner.

 

Turner isn't a long term answer at LT, but he has been decent there. I have to eat my words - after playing poorly at RG last year, he has looked much better at RT and even passable at LT. I thought for sure he'd be an option for cuts to save salary cap next year, but he has earned his salary this year.

[LouisEly]

I didn't even know he was playing this year.

Ken Ruettgers and his annual training camp holdout would be proud of Veldheer. Holding out until the playoffs is another level.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think something's gone wrong if Veldheer plays. Someone got hurt or manhandled. They don't want their run dashed by one lineman having a bad day.

[Brewers Numbers]

This is Packer adjacent but rumors are the Bears are keeping Pace and Nagy.

[HiAndTight]

I think something's gone wrong if Veldheer plays. Someone got hurt or manhandled. They don't want their run dashed by one lineman having a bad day.

 

 

Maybe. Maybe they like Turner better at RG and Wagner at RT.

 

The guy knows this system. LaFleur talked about it today and said it was a matter of how quickly he could get comfortable with the group, how much "recall" he has of the scheme, noting he just played in another offense.

 

Again, he started for us last year in the playoffs, he just started this past week. So he's got a history here and he played well and he's proven he's still effective vs the Bills allowing zero sacks and just 1 pressure in 79 snaps.

 

I think it's possible he starts or perhaps if the Packers get off to a slow start and for example, Floyd is having his way with Turner, they could make a relatively simple adjustment.

 

 

It's not like someone suggested that we this non-name who's never been to Green Bay comes in and starts over this entrenched veteran.

 

It's Veldheer plays or Patrick plays. It's entirely possible they go with the later, but I don't think it's crazy they either go with Veldheer or they don't hesitate to make a change if they get off to a slow start.

 

We'll fine out in ~4 days now.

[HiAndTight]

This is Packer adjacent but rumors are the Bears are keeping Pace and Nagy.

 

 

Seems like they're just postponing the inevitable. I think each will end up finding success elsewhere as they're still relatively young, but they'll both be on the hot seat to enter next season and it's highly unlikely they'll have the QB situation figured out. Their best bet is to probably stick with what they have and hope Trey Lance falls to them or...I guess grab Mac Jones. But unlikely either will take them from a ~8 win team to a real contender in the near future.

 

Pace in particular looks bad. 4 straight top 10 picks and the best of them has been Roquan Smith. Kevin White was injured from the start, Floyd...who we'll see this week, is a really solid player(10.5 sacks this year) but didn't get it done in Chicago and they decided to replace him with the more expensive, less athletic version of him.

 

He's had some big hits...like Eddie Jackson, Amos, Eddie Goldman(not sure if Hicks was there when he got there or not).

 

But all that would have been wiped away if they'd just taken one of the other two QB's available. Not that many people considered either in place for that pick, but damn, that set the Bears back 5 years already.

[PinaMadness]

This is Packer adjacent but rumors are the Bears are keeping Pace and Nagy.

 

 

Seems like they're just postponing the inevitable. I think each will end up finding success elsewhere as they're still relatively young, but they'll both be on the hot seat to enter next season and it's highly unlikely they'll have the QB situation figured out. Their best bet is to probably stick with what they have and hope Trey Lance falls to them or...I guess grab Mac Jones. But unlikely either will take them from a ~8 win team to a real contender in the near future.

 

Pace in particular looks bad. 4 straight top 10 picks and the best of them has been Roquan Smith. Kevin White was injured from the start, Floyd...who we'll see this week, is a really solid player(10.5 sacks this year) but didn't get it done in Chicago and they decided to replace him with the more expensive, less athletic version of him.

 

He's had some big hits...like Eddie Jackson, Amos, Eddie Goldman(not sure if Hicks was there when he got there or not).

 

But all that would have been wiped away if they'd just taken one of the other two QB's available. Not that many people considered either in place for that pick, but damn, that set the Bears back 5 years already.

Well, Chuck Pagano is retiring anyway.

[adambr2]

In the Bears' defense (ugh, I can't believe I'm saying that), you'd be hard-pressed to find a 2017 pre-draft QB ranking list that didn't have Trubisky at #1. It's easy for us to say now with the benefit of hindsight that they should have taken Mahomes or Watson. And no doubt, they blew it. But it's not like the Bears went against the grain and took a guy that everyone else had going 3rd among QBs. Trubisky was the consensus #1.

 

It's a good reminder for people like me that just because your draft board fits in nicely with all the experts doesn't mean it will be a good pick, and just because you had a higher grade on a guy than everyone else doesn't mean you're wrong. Sometimes you're wrong. Sometimes the "experts" are wrong.

 

I remember thinking Jaire Alexander was a bit of a reach at #18 and Joshua Jackson was a steal in the 2nd round. Whoops.

[HiAndTight]

In the Bears' defense (ugh, I can't believe I'm saying that), you'd be hard-pressed to find a 2017 pre-draft QB ranking list that didn't have Trubisky at #1. It's easy for us to say now with the benefit of hindsight that they should have taken Mahomes or Watson. And no doubt, they blew it. But it's not like the Bears went against the grain and took a guy that everyone else had going 3rd among QBs. Trubisky was the consensus #1.

 

It's a good reminder for people like me that just because your draft board fits in nicely with all the experts doesn't mean it will be a good pick, and just because you had a higher grade on a guy than everyone else doesn't mean you're wrong. Sometimes you're wrong. Sometimes the "experts" are wrong.

 

I remember thinking Jaire Alexander was a bit of a reach at #18 and Joshua Jackson was a steal in the 2nd round. Whoops.

 

 

You're absolutely right, and I did just say that in a recent post...that Trubisky was the consensus #1 pick. They were talking about Mahomes going in the 20s. When the Chiefs moved all the way up, that looked like an overpay.

 

I have just stopped trying to figure out which QB's would hit and which wouldn't. Mahomes was presented as a Favre like talent who needed a lot of time to develop. And Watson...I liked him, but I didn't see the arm talent. I thought he was more of a game manager who could use his legs to pick up some 1st downs early on.

 

So I'm not really blaming the Bears for taking him(I do blame them for giving away 3 picks that you expect to get starters from to move up one spot over a team that was NOT going to take him)...but they also never even met with Watson. So...maybe a little blame for not even looking into him, but as I said, not many people considered either in play at that point in the draft. It's more just a what-if. What if the Bears had taken one of those two. They'd be very likely the team to beat in the NFC.

 

And now in this draft that some are saying is the best QB draft since the Elway-Marino class, they're just good enough that they got easily beaten in the playoffs, but not bad enough to even sniff one of the top 3...and they'll likely won't be able to get Lance either. And if they do, Pace and Nagy are almost certain to be long gone before he matures enough to be a competent starting QB. Unless the Bears show Lions like Patience with Pace/Nagy anyway.

 

I wonder where Love would rank had he gone back. I've seen many compare him to Wilson, but I don't know what talent he'd have had to work with.

 

It'd just be so perfect if Love sits for 3-4 more years, then they give him the Taysom Hill treatment(pay him with the expectation of him becoming the starter, not the way they use him) and for him to then hit the ground running while the Bears continue their futile search for their successor to Sid Luckman! And yes, I understand the financial complications that could arise in such a situation...but this is more about imagining how we can have potentially 50 years of HOF caliber QB play while the Bears can only muster the occasional decent year from Rex Grossman or Jay Cutler.

[HiAndTight]

In the Bears' defense (ugh, I can't believe I'm saying that), you'd be hard-pressed to find a 2017 pre-draft QB ranking list that didn't have Trubisky at #1. It's easy for us to say now with the benefit of hindsight that they should have taken Mahomes or Watson. And no doubt, they blew it. But it's not like the Bears went against the grain and took a guy that everyone else had going 3rd among QBs. Trubisky was the consensus #1.

 

It's a good reminder for people like me that just because your draft board fits in nicely with all the experts doesn't mean it will be a good pick, and just because you had a higher grade on a guy than everyone else doesn't mean you're wrong. Sometimes you're wrong. Sometimes the "experts" are wrong.

 

I remember thinking Jaire Alexander was a bit of a reach at #18 and Joshua Jackson was a steal in the 2nd round. Whoops.

 

And by the way, I did like Alexander, but I thought he was a slot corner. I thought Jackson was a huge steal just like you did. Though I still think he can play, we're just much better at CB than we've been in a while...and Alexander has turned into the elite cover man in the NFL.

[PinaMadness]

Who's Lance?