Packers 2020 team discussion

[nodakfan17]

Regarding Koo’s selection:

 

A Korean colleague of mine proudly pointed out that there are more Koreans in the Pro Bowl than Dallas Cowboys.

[PeaveyFury]

Sounds like there’s a legit chance Linsley may be able to go against the Titans. Getting him back and moving Jenkins back to guard can only make the line better...

[HiAndTight]

It's hard to complain with seven guys but Tonyan was robbed. Engram? Really?

 

50 more targets, 5 more catches and just ~25 more yards. Plus Tonyan is asked to do a lot more.

 

And Crosby...c'mon. You have to give SOME consideration not kicking in GB. Perfect this year on FG attempts, hit a 57 yarder two weeks ago in a big spot, hit a 51 yarder in the cold this past week that would have been good from 55-60.

 

But it's the Pro-Bowl. Let's see who makes the All Pro teams. Those are more important. I could see 3 maybe 4. Rodgers, Bahk, Adams and Alexander. Maybe Jenkins or Adams...but that's unlikely to me.

I have been a staunch supporter of Crosby for years, defending him against the people who for some reason think he's been incredibly average his entire career, but I agree with the Koo selection. He's been lights out for Atlanta. I ought to know. He's my fantasy kicker.

 

 

I'm not arguing against Koo. He's been great...but he's also kicked almost every game he's played in a dome while Crosby has kicked in a dome. The one that wasn't was a nice 70 degree game vs Carolina.

 

Crosby on the other hand has 5 games in a dome.

 

I don't really think either are huge omissions by any means, but especially Crosby, he doesn't get the respect he deserves. And I've been with you about sticking with him during his slumps. I really don't remember many on here calling for him to be cut after that Detroit game. A few maybe after or during the 2012 season. But I still don't think people appreciate what a great kicker he is.

 

I know how little people care about Skip Bayless, but he STILL brings up how lucky the Packers were to beat Dallas when Mason "Cross-bar" hit those two 50+ yarders, the 56 yarder he hit with just 1:33 left that could have cost the Packers the game. He misses that, Dallas has great field position, starting the drive at near mid-field. And then the 51 yarder that he hit twice because of the old "ice the kicker" schtick where he knocked the first one through on a late whistle and then drilled it again with no time left on the clock to put the Packers in the NFCCG.

 

He's just been huge in the playoffs. 3 missed FG's, 54, 50, and 52 playing in some really poor weather and he's been perfect(I believe) on XP's and hit 26 FG's.

 

Just feel like the guy deserves a bit more respect than he seems to get.

[HiAndTight]

Sounds like there’s a legit chance Linsley may be able to go against the Titans. Getting him back and moving Jenkins back to guard can only make the line better...

 

 

Would you rather see Jenkins back at Guard or would you rather see him playing Tackle? I'm not sure that his future shouldn't be either Center or RT.

 

In fact, I don't really get why he hasn't gotten more chances to play tackle beyond being forced into action due to multiple injuries. You'd think it was because he didn't have the measurables to play there, but he does. He's got long arms, a big enough frame. RT is the biggest weakness right now in my opinion on offense, it's just Rodgersr has covered it up in large part by moving and LaFleur has done a great job of knowing when to put a guy like Lewis out there or just chip with a back to help out Wagner or Turner, but neither one is really that good. Plus of course, it's a lot easier to find solid guards than it is tackles. Right now we've got Turner, Patrick, Stepaniak is back and on the 54 man...suggesting they like him.

It'd be nice to see him be able to solidify himself as a Pro-Bowl caliber player out there and not have to worry about arguably the 2nd and 3rd most important positions on offense after QB for the foreseeable future.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Sounds like there’s a legit chance Linsley may be able to go against the Titans. Getting him back and moving Jenkins back to guard can only make the line better...

 

 

Would you rather see Jenkins back at Guard or would you rather see him playing Tackle? I'm not sure that his future shouldn't be either Center or RT.

 

In fact, I don't really get why he hasn't gotten more chances to play tackle beyond being forced into action due to multiple injuries. You'd think it was because he didn't have the measurables to play there, but he does. He's got long arms, a big enough frame. RT is the biggest weakness right now in my opinion on offense, it's just Rodgersr has covered it up in large part by moving and LaFleur has done a great job of knowing when to put a guy like Lewis out there or just chip with a back to help out Wagner or Turner, but neither one is really that good. Plus of course, it's a lot easier to find solid guards than it is tackles. Right now we've got Turner, Patrick, Stepaniak is back and on the 54 man...suggesting they like him.

It'd be nice to see him be able to solidify himself as a Pro-Bowl caliber player out there and not have to worry about arguably the 2nd and 3rd most important positions on offense after QB for the foreseeable future.

 

Because the team's goal has always been to get the best 5 on the field together, and it's obvious they believe that Wagner is better than Runyan right now.

[CheezWizHed]

Turner has actually been very good at RT this year. A step down from Bulaga, but not too far behind. I still don't like him at guard, though.

 

I think Jenkins' future is at center, personally. Hard to know exactly how good he can be at tackle (since he hasn't played there much), but he looks like a Pro-Bowl C/G for a long time. Hard to move him out and risk him being "ok". I'd say the center has as much (or more) impact on the offense as the RT. The center calls the coverages and is critical to the run game.

[yourout]

Not sure who to cheer for with the Vikings in the saints. Maybe a tie?

[pacopete4]

The Vikings.

[yourout]

The Vikings.

Not sure I can ever cheer for the Vikings. I guess I can hope the saints lose though

[PinaMadness]

I don't think it makes much difference when it comes to tie breakers but if it does, I think a three way tie would benefit us more than a two way tie with Seattle or the Rams. So Go Saints I guess?

[yourout]

Looks like it won't much matter as the Vikings are probably going to get trucked.

[PinaMadness]

We all knew the Vikings were going to take a step back this year with all the losses they suffered, but wow, their defense has been just putrid lately.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Vikings defense looks like it's already given up and gone home for the offseason. Frankly, take Dalvin Cook away, and that is a 2-win team.

[yourout]

Vikings defense looks like it's already given up and gone home for the offseason. Frankly, take Dalvin Cook away, and that is a 2-win team.

that last possession of the Vikings looked like something McCarthy would have came up with

[pacopete4]

We all knew the Vikings were going to take a step back this year with all the losses they suffered, but wow, their defense has been just putrid lately.

 

I don’t know how true this is. Most “experts” picked the Vikings to win the North. A ton complained about after our draft about how we did nothing to improve from last season. Let’s just put it this way, there are a lot of people that won’t own up to their lousy predictions.

[brewcrewdue80]

We all knew the Vikings were going to take a step back this year with all the losses they suffered, but wow, their defense has been just putrid lately.

 

I don’t know how true this is. Most “experts” picked the Vikings to win the North. A ton complained about after our draft about how we did nothing to improve from last season. Let’s just put it this way, there are a lot of people that won’t own up to their lousy predictions.

 

Name the improvements to the Packers from 2020 draft to the 2020 team? So far the biggest I would say is udfa Barnes. So still stands the draft class has not improved the 2020 team. AJ Dillon managed 5 snaps on offense after Williams left. 1 rush. That's not exactly showing much confidence by MLF towards using him. The impact Justin Jefferson has made for the Vikings his rookie year is I dont know 20? 40? 50? times more impact than GB's 2020 draft class on the 2020 team. Argument still immensely valid.

[pacopete4]

We all knew the Vikings were going to take a step back this year with all the losses they suffered, but wow, their defense has been just putrid lately.

 

I don’t know how true this is. Most “experts” picked the Vikings to win the North. A ton complained about after our draft about how we did nothing to improve from last season. Let’s just put it this way, there are a lot of people that won’t own up to their lousy predictions.

 

Name the improvements to the Packers from 2020 draft to the 2020 team? So far the biggest I would say is udfa Barnes. So still stands the draft class has not improved the 2020 team. AJ Dillon managed 5 snaps on offense after Williams left. 1 rush. That's not exactly showing much confidence by MLF towards using him. The impact Justin Jefferson has made for the Vikings his rookie year is I dont know 20? 40? 50? times more impact than GB's 2020 draft class on the 2020 team. Argument still immensely valid.

 

You’ve whiffed on the point. And the draft doesn’t usually have immediate impacts on teams in that current year. Fans (and the media) hate that the front office has their plan and sticks by it with drafting and developing. Yet here we are again, winning the division (by a flipping landslide) and having a legitimate shot at the #1 seed in the NFC. But congratulations to the Vikings with Jefferson. Happy for those guys. Should sell a lot of sherzies to help pay for that stadium.

[nodakfan17]

When the Packers inevitably regress after Aaron Rodgers retires (or is traded), at least we can all look forward to more Noon games.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

When the Packers inevitably regress after Aaron Rodgers retires (or is traded), at least we can all look forward to more Noon games.

 

I vividly remember reading this same idea often. In the summer of 2008. Needless to say .... nah LOL

[pacopete4]

It’s almost as if the fan base is so spoiled from having so much success that they almost root for the day we stink.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

We all knew the Vikings were going to take a step back this year with all the losses they suffered, but wow, their defense has been just putrid lately.

 

I don’t know how true this is. Most “experts” picked the Vikings to win the North. A ton complained about after our draft about how we did nothing to improve from last season. Let’s just put it this way, there are a lot of people that won’t own up to their lousy predictions.

 

Name the improvements to the Packers from 2020 draft to the 2020 team? So far the biggest I would say is udfa Barnes. So still stands the draft class has not improved the 2020 team. AJ Dillon managed 5 snaps on offense after Williams left. 1 rush. That's not exactly showing much confidence by MLF towards using him. The impact Justin Jefferson has made for the Vikings his rookie year is I dont know 20? 40? 50? times more impact than GB's 2020 draft class on the 2020 team. Argument still immensely valid.

 

In theory, good teams don't need to immediately fill holes with draft picks. I don't know if the Jefferson comparison holds any weight. He was drafted before the Packers' pick came up, and I'm not sure if you were watching yesterday, but that Vikings team is a dumpster fire. I mean, would you rather have the current team the Packers have right now that is in the driver's seat for the #1 seed, or have a team who is playing a bunch of talented rookies, but struggling to break .500?

 

The point is many fans predicted that the apparent "lack" of immediate draft impact would spell doom for the 2020 team, and that prediction couldn't be further from the truth.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

It’s almost as if the fan base is so spoiled from having so much success that they almost root for the day we stink.

 

I think it's more a case of people who don't particularly like a personnel move who would rather be proven correct (and subsequently see the team burn) than be proven incorrect and see the team hit on that move, contributing to the overall success of the team. If Love ends up being the team's next franchise QB, there are going to be thousands of fans who should be eating a huge helping of crow, but won't ever admit to it. Same thing to a lesser degree if the team hits on Dillon and Deguara. It appears they already have hit with some of the lower picks like Martin, Runyan, and even Scott is seeing bigger minutes now. Jury is still out of Stepaniak and Garvin. Hopefully they give Hanson another shot next summer as well.

[nodakfan17]

It’s almost as if the fan base is so spoiled from having so much success that they almost root for the day we stink.

I want the Packers to win, but I also want to go to bed at a reasonable time. I’m halfway through a very relaxing 4-day weekend, but I’ll have to go to work tired on Monday. This happened on Thanksgiving weekend too.

[CheeseheadInQC]

We all knew the Vikings were going to take a step back this year with all the losses they suffered, but wow, their defense has been just putrid lately.

 

I don’t know how true this is. Most “experts” picked the Vikings to win the North. A ton complained about after our draft about how we did nothing to improve from last season. Let’s just put it this way, there are a lot of people that won’t own up to their lousy predictions.

 

Name the improvements to the Packers from 2020 draft to the 2020 team? So far the biggest I would say is udfa Barnes. So still stands the draft class has not improved the 2020 team. AJ Dillon managed 5 snaps on offense after Williams left. 1 rush. That's not exactly showing much confidence by MLF towards using him. The impact Justin Jefferson has made for the Vikings his rookie year is I dont know 20? 40? 50? times more impact than GB's 2020 draft class on the 2020 team. Argument still immensely valid.

Congrats to the Vikings who had the chance to draft Jefferson because either they were worse than the Packers last year or because their previous star receiver forced his way out of town, I can’t remember which. Of the 36 rookie starters, 17 were gone before the Packers picked. By the time Dillon, who you mentioned, was picked, 10 were left, almost exclusively safeties and interior offensive linemen. Who that was available when Dillon was picked would have increased the Packers’ chance of winning the Super Bowl this year even .1%? Maybe Chinn? Onwenu has been good, but would he have gotten more playing time than Runyan has? It turns out there weren’t that many win-now options available.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Jenkins looks to be a perennial pro bowl OL from the 2019 draft - Deguara certainly looked the part of being an impact TE both from a blocking and pass catching perspective until he got injured from the 2020 draft. Let's see how Dillon responds to more carries assuming Williams doesn't suit up tomorrow. Martin looks like he has the chance to be a starting ILB picked in round 5 this year.

 

The Packers' 2019 draft is starting to look very good with Gary rounding into form, Savage and Jenkins certainly looking the part of being quality NFL starters, Keke being very productive as D-lineman when he isn't expected to handle too many snaps, etc.

 

Also, I don't see how people should expect picks from the 2020 draft - who basically had no training camp and normal offseason to get acclimated to the NFL - to instantly make an impact on a roster who reached the NFC championship game last year and went 13-3. It's not like Chase Young was sitting around when it was GB's turn to pick. That's just being unrealistic, especially when their 1st pick was made on who they hope is their QB of the future. And truth be told, despite all the offseason angst about not having near enough at the WR/TE position, it's very possible the Packers have the best group of offensive skill position players in the league this year when you factor in how they utilize RBs in the passing game.