Packers 2020 team discussion

[nodakfan17]

Watching the Vikings @ Bucs ... it’s a darn shame that it was so windy when the Vikings won at Lambeau earlier this year. I don’t think they lose in average weather conditions.

[homer]

Aaron Jones has fired his agents. Read into that what you will.

[PinaMadness]

Aaron Jones has fired his agents. Read into that what you will.

I saw that yesterday. I'm guessing the team and his agents didn't even come close to agreeing on an extension. With Bahk signed and the Packers needing to extend Adams after next season, I don't see Jones coming back unless they franchise tag him, and I don't see that happening.

[PeaveyFury]

Aaron Jones has fired his agents. Read into that what you will.

I saw that yesterday. I'm guessing the team and his agents didn't even come close to agreeing on an extension. With Bahk signed and the Packers needing to extend Adams after next season, I don't see Jones coming back unless they franchise tag him, and I don't see that happening.

 

Based on where they're at with the cap right now, I don't think they have the money to franchise him.

[PinaMadness]

Aaron Jones has fired his agents. Read into that what you will.

I saw that yesterday. I'm guessing the team and his agents didn't even come close to agreeing on an extension. With Bahk signed and the Packers needing to extend Adams after next season, I don't see Jones coming back unless they franchise tag him, and I don't see that happening.

 

Based on where they're at with the cap right now, I don't think they have the money to franchise him.

That's why I don't see it happening, but maybe they can work the cap somehow to sign him to that one year franchise contract.

[PeaveyFury]

Aaron Jones has fired his agents. Read into that what you will.

 

Aaaaaand he hired Drew Rosenhaus.

[PinaMadness]

Yeah, Jones is gone now.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Yeah, Jones is gone now.

 

Yep, that 3rd round compensatory selection will be nice. With any hope, the Packers can move enough money around to franchise Jones and then deal him off for something better than a 3rd.

[pacopete4]

It's Dillon time!

[HiAndTight]

That's why I don't see it happening, but maybe they can work the cap somehow to sign him to that one year franchise contract.

 

The issues with the cap make it far more likely that he signs a multi-year extension rather than any type of one year deal.

 

The franchise tag would be ~10-11 million. They could get his cap hit down to 4-5 if they signed him to a multi-year deal.

[HiAndTight]

Yeah, Jones is gone now.

 

Yep, that 3rd round compensatory selection will be nice. With any hope, the Packers can move enough money around to franchise Jones and then deal him off for something better than a 3rd.

 

If you offer the franchise, you back yourself into a corner if he signs. Then you have a short period of time to negotiate.

 

If anything, I could see them utilizing the transition tag this year. Gives them the right to match or to work out a trade.

 

I'm curious to see what he'll get on the open market. I wouldn't be surprised to see him test the market and then come back to GB if he finds the market underwhelming. Kamara, Cook, and C-Mac have reset the market and...IMO all got overpaid. I think Jones is going to be really hard-pressed to get anything close to Kamara or Cook...but we'll see. I 've repeatedly said I think the NFL and NFLPA will work together to adjust the cap for next year. Thus far they've only set the minimum, not the cap. Perhaps the NFL uses some of their "leverage" here to get that 17th game and the NFL PA gets a higher cap so their vets don't have to take huge discounts. I also think the extended PS is here to stay and the shorter IR. This pandemic has forced the league to come up with some really good ideas to address roster issues.

 

 

As for a replacement for Jones...in the event he does leave, I assume the Packers use a fairly high pick on a RB. I get that they have Dillon, but they need a more versatile back. I was kinda surprised they passed on Gibson when they grabbed Dillon since he would seem to be almost a perfect fit given his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield, though I get he was more of a receiver than a RB at Memphis.

 

They could go back to Memphis and pick up Kenneth Gainwell in the 2nd or 3rd(I'd guess he goes mid 3rd since he didn't play this year, so maybe they move up with all the picks they'll have.. He might have more upside than Gibson does and fits everything the Packers need out of their top RB. I could even see them grabbing Etienne if he was available at the end of the first. He's an ideal fit in this system with the patience and quickness to run the outside zone, he's tough in blitz pickup and he's an excellent receiver.

 

This looks like a very deep RB class to me, but not one that's very top-heavy, so we'll see. It's hard to guess what Jones is going to get without knowing what they'll do with the cap.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The Packers are among the league's worst in takeaways. They're bunched at the bottom (they have 13) with a bunch teams that suck. Yet they're in the top half in differential because Rodgers never loses the ball. Just another way he is a great equalizer for them. I don't think it bodes well for playing against the best teams though.

[nodakfan17]

Aaron Jones is now represented by Drew Rosenhaus.

 

He gone (as if there wasn’t already a lot of doubt).

[SeaBass]

Not saying the Packers won't utilize the draft to replace Jones if he indeed moves on, but I'd think resigning Jamaal Williams to a reasonable contract shouldn't be nearly as problematic and he's been pretty good in his own right. Combo him and Dillion plus whatever they may add in the draft, they don't necessarily need to spend a high pick on a RB just because they might lose Jones.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Aaron Jones is now represented by Drew Rosenhaus.

 

He gone (as if there wasn’t already a lot of doubt).

 

Good luck breaking the bank in free agency as a RB during an offseason that's likely to see the 2021 salary cap drop compared to what it is this season....regardless who his agent is. There will be a ton of cap casualties flooding the free agent list at a time when Jones would be hoping to have a limited list of RBs with tread left on the tires to max out his contract - particularly if he has any interest at playing for a franchise that contends consistently.

[pacopete4]

Hard to get after Jones for trying to get paid. RB's have such a short lifespan and this will most likely be it for him.

[GAME05]

That's a good point. Let him hit FA and cross your fingers you can get him back for a one-year "until the salary cap goes back up" deal.

 

And ultimately no matter how well Jones works with this team, you're still talking about the quickest-aging and most-replaceable position in the game. Between Bakh, Linsley and an upcoming Davante contract, Jones has to be the odd man out, no?

[HiAndTight]

Not saying the Packers won't utilize the draft to replace Jones if he indeed moves on, but I'd think resigning Jamaal Williams to a reasonable contract shouldn't be nearly as problematic and he's been pretty good in his own right. Combo him and Dillion plus whatever they may add in the draft, they don't necessarily need to spend a high pick on a RB just because they might lose Jones.

 

 

They don't have to spend a high pick...but they need to get a different type of back. Use a couple of your supplemental and trade into the 3rd to get that kid from Memphis. He's a helluva receiver and he's got a burst.

 

You need someone with the quickness who can run the outside zone. Williams is a hard runner but he's not the fluid runner, he doesn't have the patience, the vision...he's a VERY nice #2. And Dillon can also be a stud. Maybe he can actually run that. He's as fast as Jones and his feet have looked really good in the few games I've seen.

 

It is more important that you have that right fit at RB with LaFleur than it ever was under McCarthy. Not just because of the emphasis he puts on the running game, but because the whole offense is built around that one play.

[HiAndTight]

Hard to get after Jones for trying to get paid. RB's have such a short lifespan and this will most likely be it for him.

 

 

I'm not after him in the least bit. I hope he gets paid. I'm happy for Bahk. The Packers CAN afford to get around the salary cap by digging into their cash reserves. I'd like to see Jones get 60 guaranteed and 90 over 6 years. But it's not realistic.

 

The 4 year deals end up hurting the Packers more than helping IMO. Bahk would have been a huge discount had he signed for 6. Adams the same. Jaire and Jenkins next up...but I've already kicked this rotting horse.

[HiAndTight]

That's a good point. Let him hit FA and cross your fingers you can get him back for a one-year "until the salary cap goes back up" deal.

 

And ultimately no matter how well Jones works with this team, you're still talking about the quickest-aging and most-replaceable position in the game. Between Bakh, Linsley and an upcoming Davante contract, Jones has to be the odd man out, no?

 

 

Linsley's definitely out before him. Bahk already signed so he's good. Adams I would guess they'd extend this off-season so his cap hit would go down next year.

 

They talk about Jones being a priority. I started the year thinking he was obviously gone and now I don't know.

 

 

But again, I don't see how they'd bring him back on a one year deal. It'd either be a multi-year deal or nothing at all. Anything he'd get on a One year deal would be too costly. A multi-year deal, even one with an opt-out after 2 years would be a much cheaper cap hit.

 

Again...this is with everyone operating under the assumption that the Cap will be ~175 next year. Which...frankly, I doubt they give Bahk a massive almost 25 million dollar per year deal if they believe that was the case.

 

 

 

By the way, what a great story it'd be if they extended Rodgers for two more years without a big signing bonus so they could save 25-30 million in cap room. Unlikely, but I'd love to see Skips bead explode if that happened. He is the most obvious guy to go to. They could free up money so easily with him.

[adambr2]

I can't even imagine how much Adams is going to get if they keep him around. 25M a year? It'll be the most expensive WR contract in NFL history.

 

They are going to lose some major talent in the next couple years, no way around it. Can't pay everyone. Jones is probably gone. Really sucks, but you have to make some sacrifices somewhere. They'll go forward with Dillon I think and probably find some cheap complementary option to Dillon in FA. Maybe Williams gets re-signed as he'll be much cheaper than Jones but he isn't a great complement to Dillon's strengths. Maybe they'll draft another RB on Day 2.

[PeaveyFury]

They may need to restructure/extend Davante just to have any kind of breathing room with the cap next year. If so, it'd have to be a crazy back-loaded deal.

[homer]

I feel like there's always room with the way you can restructure contracts. Didn't the Chiefs just dole out like $200 million or something?

[PeaveyFury]

I feel like there's always room with the way you can restructure contracts. Didn't the Chiefs just dole out like $200 million or something?

 

There's always a day (well, year) of reckoning at some point. The Packers kicked the can a couple of times recently, and there's not much room for movement left without cutting players.

[CheezWizHed]

Well... Rodgers is the obvious contract to restructure...