Packers 2020 team discussion

[HiAndTight]

Amos-He's overpaid but not sure you're saving enough to move on from him...especially if you're already losing King.

 

Worth noting, Amos has rallied very well after his very slow start. PFF now has him ranked as the #15 safety overall, so that rating has climbed significantly over the past few weeks. The Packers do have an out on his contract after this year, but he's a player where I'm not sure you can take the $4 million you save and use that to replace him effectively.

 

 

Yeah, that's kinda what I'm getting at. Ideally, his contract would be 4/32, but the intangibles there, the continuity on the backend, having a smart, reliable player, a pretty sure tackler, it's worth the slight overpay.

 

 

Not Packers related, but what in the hell are the Seahawks gonna do with Jamal Adams? You give up 2 1st's and he's basically become a 2 down LB'er who can't cover. And he's most effective as a pass rusher...

 

Will they just bite the bullet, admit they made a mistake and move on? Or double down and pay him anyway?

[HiAndTight]

 

I don't think I underrated him, but feel that center is easier to replace... especially than LT. We already have Jenkins and Patrick on the roster that can at least play NFL level. Jenkins could probably play similar to Linsley's level over his career. And if you planned to move on from Linsley because you can't fit them all under the cap, he is doing a great job in improving his draft pick compensation back to the Pack.

 

 

That wasn't directed at you at all. Just among Packers fans, I don't they really appreciate how good Linsley is. He might be the best player at his position in the NFL and he plays an important position.

 

 

I agree, he's the most easily replaced and I even suggested Jenkins taking over the job at Center. If he was a College Center, it makes a lot more sense to me to play him there than LG. He's actually looked so good at Tackle this year though...I might play him there. I think he could be a Pro Bowl caliber player at either Guard spot, Center(since that was his position in College) or at RT.

 

It just makes sense. The most important positions on the OL go LT, RT, C, LG, RG. So if Jenkins can play all of them, put him at RT or Center.

 

 

We also two young guys who we haven't seen yet in Hanson and Stepaniak. Stepaniak was drafted knowing he'd miss this season after he tore his ACL at the end of last year. I thought he was a guy that people thought could be a 3rd round pick before tearing the ACL before the bowl game.

 

So they've got depth and a lot of options. Ideally, they'd lock up all of them, but that's not possible. When you sign your LT for 23 million, you're not going to be able to pay your Center 12 or so per year and then Jenkins will only have 2 years left after this and I'm sure they'd like to extend him earlier than later. So maybe they surprise us and sign Linsley...but it seems unlikely.

[FVBrewerFan]

Alexander is another guy that fits into all this. RFA after next year, and arguably right behind Rodgers and Adams in terms of value to the team.

[HiAndTight]

Alexander is another guy that fits into all this. RFA after next year, and arguably right behind Rodgers and Adams in terms of value to the team.

 

Alexander will have TWO years left after this year. 5 years total as a 1st round pick.

 

I'd assume they back up the brinks truck for him as well, but they have a little more time there to work.

[homer]

Lazard is back. Now all we need are King and Alexander and we have a fully functioning battle station.

[PeaveyFury]

I too would like to see them retain Linsley if possible, as he's basically graded out as the best center in the league all season and it'd be great to keep him. Problem is, Bakh probably eliminated any flexibility to get a deal done with him prior to March, as they'll have to cut guys to open space for 2021 first.

 

Good news is that the Packers have had a very good reputation for finding interior linemen that perform at a high level when another leaves.

[HiAndTight]

I too would like to see them retain Linsley if possible, as he's basically graded out as the best center in the league all season and it'd be great to keep him. Problem is, Bakh probably eliminated any flexibility to get a deal done with him prior to March, as they'll have to cut guys to open space for 2021 first.

 

Good news is that the Packers have had a very good reputation for finding interior linemen that perform at a high level when another leaves.

 

 

They could still extend him now if they wanted to. Bahks extension doesn't prevent them from doing so. It just makes it that much more unlikely as you'd have the top paid LT, probably the top paid Center and you'll have Jenkins who I believe they'll try to extend sooner rather than later.

 

 

I do hope they at least consider adjusting how they extend their young stars. Longer deals almost always favor the team when you're talking about ELITE talent when they sign at age ~24/25. Instead of the two 4 year deals, lock 'em up for 7 years.

 

Look at Tyron Smith and JJ Watt. They were the first players(other than Albert Haynesworth) to get 100 million dollar deals.

Both players have struggled with injuries, but Watt's cap hit would be 0 by now had he not restructured and he looks like a bargain and Smith's is ~10 million and his cap hit next year is minimal....particularly compared to his what his current value is. His 10 year 110 million dollar deal(which included what was left on his deal) was viewed as an outrageous contract at the time. Now it's a bargain. With a salary cap that's ALWAYS going up with the extremely rare exception due to Covid, it's more than worth it, even if you end up having to eat a little bit of the money on the backend(but even then, most of the 7-year deals are 4-year deals with outs and they're only restructured if the team wants to keep the player).

 

Had they extended Bahk for 7 years when he was already an elite LT in 2016 for 7 years and 90 million and ~30 guaranteed instead of 4/48 and 16.7, we wouldn't have had to pay him a pretty ridiculous 4/92 with 62 guaranteed. That 7-year deal would likely have taken him through all his best years.

 

Alexander is the next up. I'll guess he gets 4/82 with 45 guaranteed(based on what Ramsey got). He'll be about 24 when he signs. Do you think he'd turn down 7 years 135 with 60 GTD? It'd be the largest contract for a CB ever, lower cap hit and in 4 years it's entirely possible given the trajectory of player salaries that top CB's will be getting 30+ million per year.

 

Bahk, Adams, Clark, Alexander, and Jenkins are all players you can reasonably project(or could in the case of Adams and Bahk) would have long successful careers.

 

The only times I can remember the Packers doing this was with Woodson and Clay. And both player's contracts were relatively team-friendly toward the end.

 

 

This is how Dallas is able to pay these massive deals to virtually anyone who has a good few weeks on that team. But...the Packers are gonna do what the Packers are gonna do...so...anyway...

[CheezWizHed]

Good news is that the Packers have had a very good reputation for finding interior linemen that perform at a high level when another leaves.

 

They did draft 2 of the top 10 centers in the league right now.

[homer]

I keep forgetting about these comp picks:

 

 

projected 4th, 5th, and 6th for Packers (for Martinez, Bulaga, and Fackrell respectively)

[FVBrewerFan]

Alexander is another guy that fits into all this. RFA after next year, and arguably right behind Rodgers and Adams in terms of value to the team.

 

Alexander will have TWO years left after this year. 5 years total as a 1st round pick.

 

I'd assume they back up the brinks truck for him as well, but they have a little more time there to work.

 

Nope. It's a 4 year contract. Alexander is RFA in 2022.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Alexander is another guy that fits into all this. RFA after next year, and arguably right behind Rodgers and Adams in terms of value to the team.

 

Alexander will have TWO years left after this year. 5 years total as a 1st round pick.

 

I'd assume they back up the brinks truck for him as well, but they have a little more time there to work.

 

Nope. It's a 4 year contract. Alexander is RFA in 2022.

 

You are wrong. 1st round picks don't become RFA's. He has a 5th year option that is practically guaranteed to be picked up.

[HiAndTight]

Alexander is another guy that fits into all this. RFA after next year, and arguably right behind Rodgers and Adams in terms of value to the team.

 

Alexander will have TWO years left after this year. 5 years total as a 1st round pick.

 

I'd assume they back up the brinks truck for him as well, but they have a little more time there to work.

 

Nope. It's a 4 year contract. Alexander is RFA in 2022.

 

 

No...they're ALL 4-year deals with a team option for a 5th year. He's due to become an Unrestricted Free Agent in 2023...though he's likely to sign an extension after this year IMO. The longer it goes, the more expensive it gets.

 

Wherever you're seeing that he's a RFA, they're wrong. The NFL changed the rookie salary structure 10 years ago. First-round picks have become more valuable due to the additional year as opposed to prior to 2011 when the top pick was immediately one of the highest-paid players in the NFL.

 

 

https://frontofficenfl.com/2017/03/27/nfl-rookie-contracts-explained-fifth-year-option/

[HiAndTight]

I keep forgetting about these comp picks:

 

 

projected 4th, 5th, and 6th for Packers (for Martinez, Bulaga, and Fackrell respectively)

 

Yeah, those are going to be huge. I'm still not certain...and have asked for clarification. Bulaga will only have 10 years in after this year. I understand that draft pick compensation isn't determined until after the season and post-season awards, playing time...a number of factors come in, but it seems strange that they'd include the season after the player changed teams to count toward the 10-year cutoff where you can only get a 5th round pick in return.

 

 

Whatever happens, it's unlikely Martinez moves up to a 3rd, so he should be a solid 4th, Bulaga is a 5th at worst and Fackrell should be a 6th. So we'll have plenty of draft capital to fill holes or move up if a player we really want is on the board.

 

Or as I said in another post, it allows us to draft a player who's missed the year due to injury and as dropped or like with Ross from Clemson, has HUGE question marks but elite talent.

 

And hopefully...we'll be picking 32nd in the 1st round of the draft!

[LouisEly]

I too would like to see them retain Linsley if possible, as he's basically graded out as the best center in the league all season and it'd be great to keep him. Problem is, Bakh probably eliminated any flexibility to get a deal done with him prior to March, as they'll have to cut guys to open space for 2021 first.

 

Good news is that the Packers have had a very good reputation for finding interior linemen that perform at a high level when another leaves.

I think the reason that they drafted three interior linemen in the 6th round this year is in preparation to move on from Linsley.

[LouisEly]

Good news is that the Packers have had a very good reputation for finding interior linemen that perform at a high level when another leaves.

 

They did draft 2 of the top 10 centers in the league right now.

And they picked both of them on day 3 of the draft.

[HiAndTight]

Good news is that the Packers have had a very good reputation for finding interior linemen that perform at a high level when another leaves.

 

They did draft 2 of the top 10 centers in the league right now.

And they picked both of them on day 3 of the draft.

 

 

They've done a better job at drafting and developing Centers than any other position on this team in the last ~15 years with the possible exception being WR's. There was one period where they'd started 5 different centers in a 5-6 year span and they were all mid-round picks save for Jeff Saturday who was probably the worst among them and a FA signing.

 

Scott Wells, EDS, Tretter, and Linsley.

 

That said, the Center position is more important in LaFleur's system than it was in McCarthy's..which is why I'm hoping Jenkins moves back to Center, provided he's not needed at RT.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Darius Shepard is not an NFL-caliber player.

[ReverendBrewmeister]

That said, the Center position is more important in LaFleur's system than it was in McCarthy's..which is why I'm hoping Jenkins moves back to Center, provided he's not needed at RT.

 

Seeing Jenkins play center yesterday (NOV 22) after being thrown into that spot following Linsley's injury departure made it seem like he could very well be the future at that position.

[homer]

Speaking of tackle, I saw that Stepaniak practiced last week for the first time all year. Packers took him in the 6th but he fell quite a ways due to the torn ACL. Raw dude but really strong and tough.

[pacopete4]

Per PFF:

Preston Smith: 230 pass-rush snaps, 15 pressures, two sacks

Rashan Gary: 171 pass-rush snaps, 22 pressures, three sacks

 

Uhh... Play Gary more? Time to let the guy get after it.

[PinaMadness]

Looks like every other contender in the NFC knows how to beat Tampa, and even the Bears and Giants. But hey, there's no reinventing the wheel in Green Bay.

[homer]

Looks like every other contender in the NFC knows how to beat Tampa, and even the Bears and Giants. But hey, there's no reinventing the wheel in Green Bay.

 

Now if someone could just figure out how to beat New Orleans.

[CheezWizHed]

Plus, if everyone else can beat Tampa, we probably don't need to worry about meeting them in the playoffs.

[Outlander]

I don't know, it sure look like the Pack will face the Bucs, Cardinals, Seahawks or Rams in the first round. No easy wins unless you're the Wild Card team playing the NFC East.

[homer]

In two of the games GB lost they had nice leads and then lost a bunch of turnovers (in the other they played like junk). They beat Indy without the fumbles. I don't think they necessarily beat TB but without those two pick 6's (which is essentially what they were) I don't think TB blows them out of the water like that.