Packers 2020 team discussion

[PinaMadness]

After watching the Bears and Titans today, I’m convinced Derrick Henry will run all over the Packers in a few weeks. I better start prepping mentally for that anguish to soften the blow later.

I didn't need to watch the game to know that. In fact, I didn't.

[PinaMadness]

Fuller with a 77 yard touchdown reception. Just sayin.

 

Although this helped.

 

[homer]

Fuller with a 77 yard touchdown reception. Just sayin.

 

Although this helped.

 

 

Would you trade a 2nd for an 8 game rental?

[PinaMadness]

Fuller with a 77 yard touchdown reception. Just sayin.

 

Although this helped.

 

 

Would you trade a 2nd for an 8 game rental?

Yes, especially given our recent history of second round busts.

[PeaveyFury]

Yes, especially given our recent history of second round busts.

 

Why does Thompson's record automatically translate over to Gute? So far, Gute's hit on Jenkins in the second, and whiffed on Jackson, with Dillon as an incomplete. A .500 batting average is pretty good...

[brewcrewdue80]

Fuller with a 77 yard touchdown reception. Just sayin.

 

Although this helped.

 

 

Would you trade a 2nd for an 8 game rental?

Yes, especially given our recent history of second round busts.

 

 

Madness. Watching vs Tampa and vs Minnesota, not having a clue for run defense 8game rental on the opposite side of the field? Madness. Besides, Gutey needs that pick so it's available to use if he can trade up in the 1st round. Spying a disappointing 1st rd look, He'll draft one of TCU's Safeties, just because Amos.

[PinaMadness]

Hey, I would've preferred they went the defensive route too, but apparently that wasn't in the cards. I'm sick and tired of this organization sitting with their thumbs up their butts while every other contender is actually trying to win now. Why must we always be in this perpetual state of draft and develop, always playing for the future? This team under Rodgers should already have at least three championships under their belt.

[adambr2]

Fuller with a 77 yard touchdown reception. Just sayin.

 

Although this helped.

 

 

Would you trade a 2nd for an 8 game rental?

 

Depends on the context. Am I a rebuilding club several years away? If so, certainly not. If I however have a HOF quarterback about to turn 37 and the conference is wide open I am certainly going to think about it when my WR depth chart drops off a cliff after my #1.

 

I also don't think it's accurate to call it a 2nd for an 8 game rental. It is almost certainly a 2nd for an 8 game rental + a 2022 3rd or 4th. That difference matters.

 

Most of the people questioning giving up a 2nd for Fuller also defend the heck out of using a 2nd round pick on AJ Dillon, and that line of thinking makes no sense to me. If a project running back who is 4th on our depth chart this year is worth using a 2nd on then trying to win Super Bowl 55 before Aaron Rodgers retired is sure as heck worth using a 2nd on.

[PeaveyFury]

Most of the people questioning giving up a 2nd for Fuller also defend the heck out of using a 2nd round pick on AJ Dillon, and that line of thinking makes no sense to me. If a project running back who is 4th on our depth chart this year is worth using a 2nd on then trying to win Super Bowl 55 before Aaron Rodgers retired is sure as heck worth using a 2nd on.

 

Really not sure how that equates. Using a 2nd on Dillon has far more to do with ensuring a competent backfield in 2021 while Rogers is still QB and the Packers have no money for Jones and possibly Williams. There's a huge difference between using a pick for 8 games and drafting a guy and having him basically sit a year so that he can hit the ground running in year 2.

[PinaMadness]

Pour it on!

[adambr2]

Most of the people questioning giving up a 2nd for Fuller also defend the heck out of using a 2nd round pick on AJ Dillon, and that line of thinking makes no sense to me. If a project running back who is 4th on our depth chart this year is worth using a 2nd on then trying to win Super Bowl 55 before Aaron Rodgers retired is sure as heck worth using a 2nd on.

 

Really not sure how that equates. Using a 2nd on Dillon has far more to do with ensuring a competent backfield in 2021 while Rogers is still QB and the Packers have no money for Jones and possibly Williams. There's a huge difference between using a pick for 8 games and drafting a guy and having him basically sit a year so that he can hit the ground running in year 2.

 

It's a running back. You don't need to take one in the second round and groom him for a year like a QB to ensure a competent future backfield. They're cheap in free agency (except the elite ones) and very often contribute as rookies. One of the most effective workhorses in the NFL is a UDFA RB in Jacksonville. Gibson, Swift, and Moss are also having nice seasons.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Most of the people questioning giving up a 2nd for Fuller also defend the heck out of using a 2nd round pick on AJ Dillon, and that line of thinking makes no sense to me. If a project running back who is 4th on our depth chart this year is worth using a 2nd on then trying to win Super Bowl 55 before Aaron Rodgers retired is sure as heck worth using a 2nd on.

 

Really not sure how that equates. Using a 2nd on Dillon has far more to do with ensuring a competent backfield in 2021 while Rogers is still QB and the Packers have no money for Jones and possibly Williams. There's a huge difference between using a pick for 8 games and drafting a guy and having him basically sit a year so that he can hit the ground running in year 2.

 

It's a running back. You don't need to take one in the second round and groom him for a year like a QB to ensure a competent future backfield. They're cheap in free agency (except the elite ones) and very often contribute as rookies. One of the most effective workhorses in the NFL is a UDFA RB in Jacksonville. Gibson, Swift, and Moss are also having nice seasons.

 

I'll give you Robinson, who has been a revelation in Jacksonville, but Antonio Gibson was selected by Washington 4 picks after the Packers selected Dillon. D'Andre Swift was selected with the 35th overall pick at the beginning of the 2nd round. Zach Moss was a 3rd round pick. While it is entirely possible to find a competent RB in the later rounds or via free agency, it is certainly not as easy as you are making it out to be, judging by the premium picks used on RBs is the last draft.

[adambr2]

Well yes, it's always easier to find a better player with an earlier pick. I wasn't trying to just say you can plug and play any old 6th round pick and necessarily have success.

 

My point was more that the RB learning curve to the NFL is rather seamless compared to other positions that require more development. Rookie RBs often contribute and contribute considerably. It isn't like the Jordan Love pick at all. I can't think of many instances where a 2nd round pick was used by a team with an existing elite RB with the intention of it being a future pick.

 

If Jones departs after this year it's a position that could have easily been addressed at that time. If Jones is kept it becomes even more confusing.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Well yes, it's always easier to find a better player with an earlier pick. I wasn't trying to just say you can plug and play any old 6th round pick and necessarily have success.

 

My point was more that the RB learning curve to the NFL is rather seamless compared to other positions that require more development. Rookie RBs often contribute and contribute considerably. It isn't like the Jordan Love pick at all. I can't think of many instances where a 2nd round pick was used by a team with an existing elite RB with the intention of it being a future pick.

 

If Jones departs after this year it's a position that could have easily been addressed at that time. If Jones is kept it becomes even more confusing.

 

RB is also one of the most fragile positions in the NFL, and as we've seen with Aaron Jones throughout his career, he is not immune to the injury bug. We've seen the RB doomsday scenario play out this year with the 49ers, who are rotating an oft-injured 3rd down back in McKinnon with a practice-squad guy in Hasty because their top guys are all out. I think the Packers brass saw what happened to them against the 49ers last year, and what the 49ers did to pretty much everyone last year with their backfield, and decided that they weren't going to be caught with their pants down in the backfield.

 

I also wouldn't completely write off the idea that Dillon won't make a significant contribution this season. Having 3 NFL-quality backs is a significant advantage, this year especially. I don't necessarily agree with picking Dillon in the 2nd round, but I can understand the thought process for why he was selected. The dots are pretty easy to connect.

[adambr2]

I'm not sure that we've seen enough from Dillon to say that he's a quality back. I hope so, but we have seen the drop-off for our ground game a couple times thia year without Jones and it is fairly significant. It isn't like Williams/Dillon have just been able to seamlessly replace Jones.

 

I also have to disagree that anything the 49ers did in the NFCCG helped mold our off-season plan in any way, because if it did, 1) We sure as heck would have made more efforts to improve the run defense, and 2) I think that performance had a lot more to do with the 49er offensive line simply dominating our defense in the trenches than Raheem Mostert being a special back.

[homer]

I like GB's chances in the NFC as much as anybody's. If a team can slow down GBs passing game they can win - TB did it with a ferocious pass rush and a bad game by GB's O Line, Minny did it with wind. I don't care what the opposing team's rushing attack is like, if GB can effectively throw the ball they can win.

[adambr2]

I like GB's chances in the NFC as much as anybody's. If a team can slow down GBs passing game they can win - TB did it with a ferocious pass rush and a bad game by GB's O Line, Minny did it with wind. I don't care what the opposing team's rushing attack is like, if GB can effectively throw the ball they can win.

 

It's all about getting HFA, I would think. I don't expect a team like the Saints or Bucs

to fare particularly well at Lambeau if it's 5 degrees. On the flip side I would not like our chances at either of their places even having won in the dome once.

[CheezWizHed]

I think the main issue with the Packers sticking in a rookie RB in right away is pass protection. You don't want a RB out there that will endanger your QB on a passing play or allow the defense a 95% guarantee that you are about to run the ball (because he can't pass protect). I think that is where Dillon is right now - looks decent running the ball, but unsure about pass protection. Jones and Williams certainly went through their growing pains here too.

[sveumrules]

After watching the Bears and Titans today, I’m convinced Derrick Henry will run all over the Packers in a few weeks. I better start prepping mentally for that anguish to soften the blow later.

 

The Titans are 6th in rushing offense & Henry personally has the 2nd most yards in the NFL, they have been running over everybody.

 

Luckily, they are the only remaining team we face with a good rushing offense. The other teams we have yet to play rank 13th (PHI), 18th (CAR), 23rd (IND), 25th (DET), 27th (JAX) & 32nd (CHI) in rushing yards per game currently.

[nodakfan17]

I learned on Twitter today that Aaron Rodgers has started 182 games for the Packers and won 119 of them. Guess how many games Brett Favre won through his first 182? Also 119.

[PeaveyFury]

That's a crazy weird stat.

[nodakfan17]

John Lovett is out for the year with a torn ACL.

 

At least that opens a spot on the 53 for Allen Lazard to return.

[CheezWizHed]

I wonder if Sternberger will return to the HB role he had at the end of last year?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I wonder if Sternberger will return to the HB role he had at the end of last year?

 

I fully expect them to eventually throw practice squad guy Dominique Dafney into that spot. He's another who is cut in the same mold as Deguara and Lovett. Perhaps a little more athletic, though.

[PinaMadness]

Start Bahk contract extension talk in earnest here.