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Sounds like a question for Jayson Stark.
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I hope the plan is to give Taylor as much playing time as possible through the end of the season. I don't have a lot of faith in Gamel, so this is a good opportunity to see what Taylor can do, even if it is only for a few weeks. A lot can happen in an offseason, but right now Taylor has to be the favorite for the #4 OF spot next year.

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Honestly, last year, I wondered who would make the better MLB player: Taylor or Grisham. Both were high picks that struggled early in their MiLB careers but revived later. Taylor seems to be more natural in center and a better arm. Otherwise, they seemed pretty similar offensively.

 

I suspected Taylor was one reason we felt comfortable trading away Grisham. But I was surprised it took Taylor to be called up, especially after Cain opted out.

 

I second the hope in seeing Taylor out there more often than not. Gamel/Braun-Taylor-Garcia in the OF would be great.

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I wouldn't compare Taylor's and Grisham's careers at all. Taylor started off awesome and moved fast before completely stalling out in AAA for years. Grisham didn't have great numbers ever really until he broke out. It would be fantastic if Taylor moved beyond 4A player status, and I'm all for giving him a chance at the moment but those early career profile are very different in my mind.
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He's 26, so even if he's never better than a 4th OF, he's still a good guy to have as a cheap 4th OF through his prime. If he "clicks," then he can be an inexpensive starter, allowing the Brewers to spend their limited resources on other positions. I don't expect a superstar, but if he can be an MLB average player through pre-arby/arby, he's a valuable addition to the team.

 

I also wouldn't say he "completely stalled at AAA." His past three years' OPS are 2017 .865 / 2018 .825 / 2019 .804. It was 2015-2016 in Biloxi when he "stalled out" for a while.

 

I'd take a high-.700s to low .800s OPS CF for league minimum, and that's what he's shown for a few years in AAA and his limited time in the majors.

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Partially stalled because we've chosen to muddy up our OF positions every year. It's always interesting to me who gets opportunities and who doesn't. Hopefully, Taylor starts drawing some walks and continues to be a consistent bat. Would be a great piece moving forward to have turn out.
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He's 26, so even if he's never better than a 4th OF, he's still a good guy to have as a cheap 4th OF through his prime. If he "clicks," then he can be an inexpensive starter, allowing the Brewers to spend their limited resources on other positions. I don't expect a superstar, but if he can be an MLB average player through pre-arby/arby, he's a valuable addition to the team.

 

I also wouldn't say he "completely stalled at AAA." His past three years' OPS are 2017 .865 / 2018 .825 / 2019 .804. I'd take a high-.700s to low .800s OPS CF for league minimum.

 

I don't see a low .800 OPS guy in Taylor. That'd be a really valuable CF starter.

 

I think. 650-.700 if an everyday player is probably more realistic. Hard to translate PCL stats to MLB.

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I wouldn't compare Taylor's and Grisham's careers at all. Taylor started off awesome and moved fast before completely stalling out in AAA for years. Grisham didn't have great numbers ever really until he broke out. It would be fantastic if Taylor moved beyond 4A player status, and I'm all for giving him a chance at the moment but those early career profile are very different in my mind.

 

I guess I didn't expect every step to be identical to say they were comparable... Both were high draft picks that had strong initial years followed by disappointing numbers at lower levels of the minors. Both came on later at higher levels and revived their status somewhat. Taylor didn't have quite the year Grisham did at AAA last year and struggled longer in the middle, but otherwise they are pretty close to the same story.

 

I think he could easily be a Gamel/Broxton type player for the Brewers. And as of last year, we were profiling Grisham for a Gamel like player that was limited to LF. If he sticks in CF, he certainly is more valuable.

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Tyrone Taylor and Trent Grisham have actually had very similar trajectories. Both picked out of high school in the 1st/2nd round, both played well in rookie ball, both had fairly promising showings at Single-A as teens, and both struggled at A+ the next year. Despite the struggles at A+ both were then shoved up to AA and both didn't do very well. The second year in AA is where they took different turns. Grisham hit well earning him a promotion to AAA (then to the MLB squad). However, Taylor once again struggled in AA and basically got his promotion to AAA by default of struggling at the same level two years in a row.

 

Considering they were high school picks it is surprising both were shoved through the minors whether they had success or not. Neither of them ever really got a chance to take things easy until they got to AA...which is arguably the hardest league in the minors for a prospect. I am guessing part of it is the fact they played the OF and there is always an influx of them in the lower minors needing playing time.

 

Taylor is an interesting prospect....ceiling may not be very high, but he has hit well so far in his short career. Even before the big game he has really held his own. In his first taste of the bigs last year he went 4/10 in 12 PAs and only struck out once.

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Taylor held his own as a 20 year old in the Arizona Fall League, so there's talent there. His career stalled at AA in 2015 and 2016, then he was set back by injuries in 2017, but he had a solid year albeit at Colorado Springs in 2018 which seemed to have boosted his confidence. Started a little slow last year but really came on in August flashing Grisham like numbers the last month.

 

He's got good tools, and seems to have figured it out. No reason he can't be a solid major league player. He wasn't ready at 22 but he sure looks like he is at 26. Got to like guys that have overcome struggles in the process.

 

One big thing in his favor. He never was a big strikeout guy in the minors and he's only fanned 4 times in his first 26 major league PA. Impressive.

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The Brewers also changed his swing after his rookie year. It took him some time to adjust as he was more of a put it in play Juan Pierre type of hitter when he first started playing with the Brewers. The Brewers changed his swing to get him to have more power at the plate. It wasn't until 2016 he started to see success again and then in 2017 he got hurt but then picked it back up in 2018. Last year was kind of a lost year for him but he still showed some promise last year and was called up in September.

 

Taylor is probably a #4 OF which is fine for the Brewers. It is good to have a cheap option as your #4 OF who can play all 3 OF spots. The only thing he has going against him is that he is right handed but beyond that he should be the Brewers #4 OF for the foreseeable future. I wouldn't mind him getting more playing time or at least playing a soft platoon with Gamel. While Gamel is hot I am fine with him playing against RHP over Taylor but once Gamel's bat cools off which it will Taylor should be playing more.

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