Hug Watch 2020

[PeaveyFury]

So we would then have Cain as an expensive back-up CF for the next 2 years at 15 million per year?

 

I think we all knew that contract was going to be an issue after his first 2 seasons, true, but replacing him over a 1B and/or 3B seems to be not high on the priority list as long as his defense is still good.

 

1)The DH will exist in 2021, not necessarily guaranteeing that he's a backup. Additionally, he's good for 2-3 DL stints in a year, regardless.

2)I think there's a strong possibility we've seen the last of Cain in a Brewer uniform.

3)1B/3B are typically more easily addressed via trade/FA than CF. If you can get a legit CF for a modest cost, you should do it.

4)This trade would spare us from watching more games with Garcia or Gamel manning CF this year....

[TURBO]

3)1B/3B are typically more easily addressed via trade/FA than CF. If you can get a legit CF for a modest cost, you should do it.

 

Yet when is the last timewe had a real 1B on this team? I don't think it is as easy as you think to get a 3B and/or 1B or we would have done it by now. Unless you count guys like Sogard and Smaok as guys that will help us win. We can sign guys like them all day every day...

[PeaveyFury]

3)1B/3B are typically more easily addressed via trade/FA than CF. If you can get a legit CF for a modest cost, you should do it.

 

Yet when is the last timewe had a real 1B on this team? I don't think it is as easy as you think to get a 3B and/or 1B or we would have done it by now. Unless you count guys like Sogard and Smaok as guys that will help us win. We can sign guys like them all day every day...

 

How quickly we forget how awesome 2018 Aguilar was for the Brewers.

 

Bottom line is, I think that if you have the opportunity to add a 3-4 WAR CF bat for a reasonable cost, you have to do it. That's a legit all-star level bat, which we are lacking right now.

[brewers888]

If the Brewers decide to 'buy' and acquire an actual CF, with an eye towards next year as well, Marte would be as good of an acquisition as they could feasibly do. No idea what cost would look like...

 

This would work if the DH would stay in the NL for next year which I think it would. Cain CF, Marte LF, Garcia RF and Yelich at DH. The OF defense would improve with Marte in LF over Yelich though it wouldn't be by all that much. Marte hasn't played RF and I believe he doesn't have the arm to play RF so he is a CF or LF only which would be fine if you want to play Marte in CF when Cain needs a day off or two.

 

I think an Ashby, Lutz and Taylor package should get this trade done. Maybe just Lutz and Ashby or Lutz and Taylor could also be enough.

 

UGH, no way I trade that package for Marte. just no way.

 

So what about Hiura then? He slots into our every day job at 2B? If anyone on this team should be the full time DH it's him.

 

Ashby could be a future top of the rotation guy for us, and everyone is always thowing Lutz into these deals, which I don't understand why. Ashby and Lutz are guys I don't want to trade.

 

I wouldn't make that deal either.

[RollieTime]

So we would then have Cain as an expensive back-up CF for the next 2 years at 15 million per year?

 

I think we all knew that contract was going to be an issue after his first 2 seasons, true, but replacing him over a 1B and/or 3B seems to be not high on the priority list as long as his defense is still good.

 

1)The DH will exist in 2021, not necessarily guaranteeing that he's a backup. Additionally, he's good for 2-3 DL stints in a year, regardless.

2)I think there's a strong possibility we've seen the last of Cain in a Brewer uniform.

3)1B/3B are typically more easily addressed via trade/FA than CF. If you can get a legit CF for a modest cost, you should do it.

4)This trade would spare us from watching more games with Garcia or Gamel manning CF this year....

 

I agree in that we may have seen the last of Cain in a Brewers uniform. He is due 2 years and $35 million left on his deal. His no trade list is down to only 5 teams after this season. The Brewers could always package him in a trade with someone like Hader, Burnes, maybe even Hiura if something comes up and they go that route. Plus he’s still a solid player. He might be slightly overpaid, but he’s not going to hurt the return much in a trade. It would just be nice to clear that money off of our books as he continues to age.

 

If you want one of our elite guys, you take this contract off our hands as well.

[rob42081]

Everyone should assume we will not be taking on any major salary this year and most likely next year due to lost revenue. It seems like every team will be doing it this year especially, outside of maybe teams like the Dodgers and Yankees. Save yourself the heartburn and expect selling, with Hader being the most expensive outgoing possible piece

[brewers888]

So we would then have Cain as an expensive back-up CF for the next 2 years at 15 million per year?

 

I think we all knew that contract was going to be an issue after his first 2 seasons, true, but replacing him over a 1B and/or 3B seems to be not high on the priority list as long as his defense is still good.

 

1)The DH will exist in 2021, not necessarily guaranteeing that he's a backup. Additionally, he's good for 2-3 DL stints in a year, regardless.

2)I think there's a strong possibility we've seen the last of Cain in a Brewer uniform.

3)1B/3B are typically more easily addressed via trade/FA than CF. If you can get a legit CF for a modest cost, you should do it.

4)This trade would spare us from watching more games with Garcia or Gamel manning CF this year....

 

Marte has one year on his deal. We can't afford to deal from a thin farm system for a one year patch job.

 

I am extremely curious where you come up with the thought that Cain won't be back when he has two years left at 15 million per.

 

Getting a long term answer at first and third base is not as easy as you make it out to be. We haven't filled either of these positions long term in quite awhile.

 

Again how are we possibly not going to have Cain on this team. Nobody is trading for him at that salary and we aren't going to pay someone to take him.

[brewers888]

Everyone should assume we will not be taking on any major salary this year and most likely next year due to lost revenue. It seems like every team will be doing it this year especially, outside of maybe teams like the Dodgers and Yankees. Save yourself the heartburn and expect selling, with Hader being the most expensive outgoing possible piece

 

Totally agree with this point. We cut payroll last offseason with the expectation of big crowds and I can't see us spending after the financial hit we have taken this season.

[PeaveyFury]

So we would then have Cain as an expensive back-up CF for the next 2 years at 15 million per year?

 

I think we all knew that contract was going to be an issue after his first 2 seasons, true, but replacing him over a 1B and/or 3B seems to be not high on the priority list as long as his defense is still good.

 

1)The DH will exist in 2021, not necessarily guaranteeing that he's a backup. Additionally, he's good for 2-3 DL stints in a year, regardless.

2)I think there's a strong possibility we've seen the last of Cain in a Brewer uniform.

3)1B/3B are typically more easily addressed via trade/FA than CF. If you can get a legit CF for a modest cost, you should do it.

4)This trade would spare us from watching more games with Garcia or Gamel manning CF this year....

 

Marte has one year on his deal. We can't afford to deal from a thin farm system for a one year patch job.

 

I am extremely curious where you come up with the thought that Cain won't be back when he has two years left at 15 million per.

 

Getting a long term answer at first and third base is not as easy as you make it out to be. We haven't filled either of these positions long term in quite awhile.

 

Again how are we possibly not going to have Cain on this team. Nobody is trading for him at that salary and we aren't going to pay someone to take him.

 

First, Cain likely has some trade value, especially if packaged with someone. Second, I think there's a very strong possibility that he retires if coronavirus is still not under control by the spring, which is yet to be seen.

 

Regarding first base, the Brewers have been able to put very capable first basemen on the field, despite the very accurate point that they haven't had a long-term solution there in years. This year didn't work out (though Gyorko certainly looks like he could be serviceable), but it doesn't mean they won't be able to find something else in the off season, either via trade or free agency.

[brewers888]

With the revenue hit that teams have taken this season it would be shocking if anyone was willing to take Cain and his money owed. Walking away from a 60 game season and the salary that comes with it is far different than passing on the more than 30 million he is owed over the next two seasons so retirement is unbelievably unlikely.

[TURBO]

Cain will not walk away from $30 million, virus or not... No possible chance he retires with all that money sitting on the table, plus the money from this year that he already gave up.

[Eye Black]

Padres have apparently made a trade that’s going to be a big splash.

 

Link #1

 

Link #2

[wibadgers23]

Wow the Padres aren’t messing around, are they?

[Eye Black]

It’s likely Mike Clevinger headed to San Diego.

[Brewcrewin07]

It’s likely Mike Clevinger headed to San Diego.

 

Bob Nightengale

@BNightengale

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7m

A mystery team has improved their offer, which is now better than the #Padres, for Cleveland starter Mike Clevinger.

[PeaveyFury]

Sounds like a 7-player deal between the Mariners and Padres involving Austin Nola. Trammell, Torrens, and Ty France part of the return for Seattle.

 

[Brewcrewin07]

Sounds like a 7-player deal between the Mariners and Padres involving Austin Nola. Trammell, Torrens, and Ty France part of the return for Seattle.

 

 

 

Here's the full deal:

 

Ken Rosenthal

@Ken_Rosenthal

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5m

Deal as it stands, per sources and reports from @Dennistlin

, @JeffPassan

and @RyanDivish

: Taylor Trammell, Luis Torrens, Ty France and Andre Muñoz from Padres to Mariners for Austin Nola, Austin Adams and Dan Altavilla.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I really wasn't anticipating many deals in this weird year, but the number has been pretty surprising. I think tomorrow is going to be pretty crazy. Brewers are sort of in a weird spot being on the periphery of the playoff picture, but also holding the obvious grand prize of this year's Hot Stove in Hader.

[PeaveyFury]

Sounds like a 7-player deal between the Mariners and Padres involving Austin Nola. Trammell, Torrens, and Ty France part of the return for Seattle.

 

 

 

Here's the full deal:

 

Ken Rosenthal

@Ken_Rosenthal

·

5m

Deal as it stands, per sources and reports from @Dennistlin

, @JeffPassan

and @RyanDivish

: Taylor Trammell, Luis Torrens, Ty France and Andre Muñoz from Padres to Mariners for Austin Nola, Austin Adams and Dan Altavilla.

 

That's a really nice haul of young talent for the Mariners for giving up a 30-year old but solid 1B and two meh arms.

[Eye Black]

Per Joel Sherman:

 

AL exec said Diamondbacks are signalling that will not pick up $12.5M option for 2021 on Starling Marte, so best deal by 4pm will get him. As I reported yesterday Yankees Marlins and Twins were seen as most probable destinations.

 

And then he added these clarifying points...

 

Feel like the earlier Marte tweet needs further clarity: Sense was that if Marte was so overtly available when he has a reasonable (for his skill) $12.5M 2021 option, the interpretation is that Az won't pick up the option. Many teams are going to cut payroll after no fan revenue in 2020 and uncertainties about 2021, meaning even reasonable pacts could become harder to keep. If Az feels that way might as well get as much for Marte now then simply not pick up the option after the season. Can always pick up and try to trade in offseason, but that comes with risk. Current Dback administration has done a lot to clean up payroll. But still owe $30M to start with on MadBum and what is left to make Greinke trade happen. So we will see in next 75 mins if getting best for Marte will occur.

[Eye Black]

Just like that, reports of Starling Marte being traded to the Marlins.

 

Per Craig Mish: Marlins are close to acquiring Outfielder Starling Marte from the Arizona Diamondbacks per sources.

 

Also Craig Mish: Jonathan Villar is being removed from the game in New York.

 

Edit: Villar was traded to the Blue Jays.

[brewers888]

I expect the Brewers to be another team that cuts payroll after the revenue hit that they have taken. Maybe we can dump Garcia and the 10 million owed to him next season but its doubtful that anyone would want him.

[Eye Black]

I will wait to see what the Marlins gave up, but Starling Marte would have been an excellent acquisition for the Brewers.

 

Edit: Marlins sent LHP Caleb Smith to the Diamondbacks. That's pretty good value in return. An equivalent for the Brewers may have been Houser, although I think I'd prefer Smith between those two if I was the Dbacks. Smith is currently on the IL, but about to return from COVID.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I will wait to see what the Marlins gave up, but Starling Marte would have been an excellent acquisition for the Brewers.

 

Edit: Marlins sent LHP Caleb Smith to the Diamondbacks. That's pretty good value in return. An equivalent for the Brewers may have been Houser, although I think I'd prefer Smith between those two if I was the Dbacks.

 

DBacks also got Humberto Mejia, who is a good young pitching prospect. Also a PTBL