COVID-19 Thread [V2.0]

[PeaveyFury]

I do think that peer pressure, along with the lack of discernible adverse side effects, will eventually cause more people to cave and get poked. I just hope that the "anti vax" crowd is just a loud, but extremely small minority. There certainly does seem like a lot of people out there, though, who feel the need to announce in a rather loud manner that they will not be getting a vaccine.

 

A vocal minority is still able to do significant & harmful damage, as we've seen over the past 15 years or whatever since the birth of the traditional 'anti-vax' movements. But to your point, you've got two crowds with different motivations- one that just doesn't want it because it's 'just the flu' in their eyes, and one that is truly anti-vax for the usual reasons...

[Hopper]

Saw this morning that the CDC is saying that 3 feet social distancing might be just as effective as 6 feet.

Dr. Fauci was being quoted as well. (Not that half the country really believes anything he says anymore)

So once again, people will see this, and take it as fact.

Conflicting information has been an issue since this thing started.

Why report that as a possibility?

When the study is complete, release the information.

Just one more thing to question, for a society that is almost to the point of not believing anything the CDC or media tells us to begin with.

[Machu Peach]

I sorta understand the anti-vax crowd's hesitancy. Public health has really abused public trust to the point where I understand why people might not trust them at all. It's part of the reason I've been so upset with them since May-ish. Even my own (largely well-educated, non-conspiracy theorist, and mostly non-political) extended family was hesitant and wanted to check with me before getting the vaccine.

 

That said, anti-vaxers are completely wrong and everyone who is eligible should get vaccinated as soon as they are eligible.

[Machu Peach]

Saw this morning that the CDC is saying that 3 feet social distancing might be just as effective as 6 feet.

We were taught 3 feet (well 1 meter, but US...) for respiratory diseases in grad school. I have absolutely no idea how that became 6 feet and I've spent a good amount of time looking.

[PeaveyFury]

I don't understand this at all. Vaccination started in earnest in late-December. The number of new daily infections has fallen almost 80% since then. The number of new daily deaths has fallen over 60% since then. How is that not an obvious benefit?

 

Agreed completely. The start & continued rollout of the vaccine has led to a serious decline in both infections and deaths, which is a testament to how well and effective the rollout has been, largely. Obviously, there have been state-by-state differences because of the levels of control the individual states and counties have been given, but the vaccine appears to be doing everything we could have hoped it would do. Rolling it out the way they have as well has been very effective- eliminate/reduce the possibilities of the most at-risk people, but flexible in administering it to the tiers as well.

[Hopper]

Public health, CDC, Fauci, the media and so many others ruined the trust early on by giving out information that was later proven incorrect.

Yes, as the virus wore on, science makes corrections, but the way information was passed on (masks work, masks don't work) caused a lot of the issues that are still happening today.

I questioned the speed of the vaccine as well.

I am now trusting that science has proven to those who make those decisions, that the vaccine is safe, and I will get it as soon as it is offered.

[PeaveyFury]

Public health, CDC, Fauci, the media and so many others ruined the trust early on by giving out information that was later proven incorrect.

 

I think there's a dangerous line regarding 'giving out information that was later proven incorrect'- this seems to imply malice or incompetence, when in reality, with a novel virus, things that are thought/assumed to be correct initially often prove themselves differently as time goes on and research is actually able to be conducted/completed. There's a huge distinction there that the general public doesn't seem to grasp, IMO.

[Machu Peach]

Public health, CDC, Fauci, the media and so many others ruined the trust early on by giving out information that was later proven incorrect.

 

I think there's a dangerous line regarding 'giving out information that was later proven incorrect'- this seems to imply malice or incompetence, when in reality, with a novel virus, things that are thought/assumed to be correct initially often prove themselves differently as time goes on and research is actually able to be conducted/completed. There's a huge distinction there that the general public doesn't seem to grasp, IMO.

Fauci has admitted to knowingly lying on at least two topics. I understand why people might not trust someone that has lied to them repeatedly.

 

That said, everyone should get vaccinated even if public health officials have done a terrible job with messaging.

[tmwiese55]

Saw this morning that the CDC is saying that 3 feet social distancing might be just as effective as 6 feet.

We were taught 3 feet (well 1 meter, but US...) for respiratory diseases in grad school. I have absolutely no idea how that became 6 feet and I've spent a good amount of time looking.

 

Maybe just 'safe than sorry' type thing with an unknown thing? A lot of things early on seemed to be like that. Plus, if you say 6 then hopefully it's enough to stick in their head about keeping a gap, even if it ends up in the same 3-4 ish area you really want. Basically just asking for a bit more while knowing most won't actually get all the way there? IDK, just spitballing but you see that type of thing in a lot areas of life. But yea, as you or someone just said then why say something like this that opens up contradictions, just wait and see etc. Especially now with people lightening things up already, why give them more ammo to loosen up more.

 

ETA: just popped into my head. Maybe the 6 number started from the early on push about droplets/surfaces (rather than respiratory) and all that and it stuck from there?

[igor67]

A full accounting is challenging because of the moving target nature of the problem, but roughly deaths tended to lag infections by about 3 weeks. And it takes about 10 days post shot #2 for the full immunity. So today's death numbers reflect vaccination rates from mid February which was still relatively limited in the numbers for the oldest populations having been vaccinated. Of course shot number 1 also seems to provide some level of protection. The absolute numbers have certainly fallen, I feel like the number of deaths per new cases has also fallen, but I don't have a good source of day by day data at the moment to confirm that feeling.

[FVBrewerFan]

I find it richly ironic, and extremely frustrating that many of the same groups of people that have been preaching the idea of herd immunity for the last 12 months are now showing hesitancy toward utilizing the best tool that will get society to that mark. igor67, you are correct. The logistics behind scheduling vaccine appointments and actually getting the shots in arms is the greatest hold-up right now. If you are getting a call now to schedule a vaccine appointment, accept it, and show up. That's the easiest way to keep the process moving.

 

Not sure if you're referring to me diectly or indirectly, but I think I can clear this up. By delaying my own immunization, I am not delaying the system in any way. When a new group is eligible, my health care provider sends an emaul, and you schedule an appt on their app. If I don't respind, plenty of people will, and the shots in arms never misses a beat.

 

It's personal for me. I have family members and friends who should have been immunized by now due to their health conditions. I am not stepping in front of them, period. We're reaching critical mass, it will be very easy for me to get immunized in amonth or two, once people who have chronic health issues are immunized. That's simply not disrupting tge system in any way.

 

For those of you worried about efficiency, the HCNs are doing a horrible job of updating records if someone was immunized elsewhere. Quick example, my parents got their shots through Walgreens. I constantly get emails from HCN to schedule covid vaccine. But no button in email or mychart to select immunized elsewhere, etc. Woyld be very simple. Instead, I called, wasting my time and the nurses's. But it's still happening almost a month later. It's that kind of stuff that wastes time, and could be easily fixed.

[homer]

Hey guys, we've let a lot go in this thread over the last year. But now that there appears to be a light at the end of the tunnel we are going to start cracking down on the condescension. So please be kind to each other even if you disagree. And if you can't be kind or if you can't post without getting snarky then don't post.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Public health, CDC, Fauci, the media and so many others ruined the trust early on by giving out information that was later proven incorrect.

 

I think there's a dangerous line regarding 'giving out information that was later proven incorrect'- this seems to imply malice or incompetence, when in reality, with a novel virus, things that are thought/assumed to be correct initially often prove themselves differently as time goes on and research is actually able to be conducted/completed. There's a huge distinction there that the general public doesn't seem to grasp, IMO.

Fauci has admitted to knowingly lying on at least two topics. I understand why people might not trust someone that has lied to them repeatedly.

 

That said, everyone should get vaccinated even if public health officials have done a terrible job with messaging.

 

He jumped the shark for me when he was posing poolside for InStyle or whatever. I'll get the vaccine asap almost entirely because I know it's a matter of time before I have to get it to do something. And I assume it's a must for going overseas. I'm not really jazzed about what the 2nd shot does though and I don't have this burning desire to get it.

[igor67]

For all kinds of reasons the distribution is going to hit the tipping point at different times. Here is one story and it gives an idea of what types of measures are being used to reach the harder to reach as well.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/plenty-vaccines-not-enough-arms-121241240.html

 

I don't now if any of the reservations in MN or WI have gotten that far, but I know Cook county in MN is almost to 50% of its entire population vaccinated (its quite small population wise).

[Zad Fnark]

My wife got her first shot last Wednesday. (teacher).

 

I'm looking forward to getting mine. My experience with it was miserable and don't want a repeat.

[CheezWizHed]

Has anyone seen any information on the effective length of the shot or of having COVID itself? I heard of one person getting COVID twice, but nothing really more on it.

 

Just curious if this is going to be an annual event like the flu shot now.

[homer]

Has anyone seen any information on the effective length of the shot or of having COVID itself? I heard of one person getting COVID twice, but nothing really more on it.

 

Just curious if this is going to be an annual event like the flu shot now.

 

I think it depends on how widespread and infectious/fatal the variants turn out to be.

[reillymcshane]

My wife got her first shot last Wednesday. (teacher).

 

I'm looking forward to getting mine. My experience with it was miserable and don't want a repeat.

Glad you are better.

[Zad Fnark]

Thanks. Still have a lingering cough that I'll probably have forever, but otherwise fine.

 

Wasn't a fun experience. I didn't eat for 2 weeks straight. I was wondering if I'll ever eat again at that point.

 

Did lose 18 lbs out of it.

[reillymcshane]

Wisconsin bumped up the next vaccine group from March 29 to March 22.

 

This is people 16+ with health issues of some kind (diabetes, cancer, etc.). Makes a ton of people eligible.

 

No specifics on how they'll enforce the guidelines. Mostly likely just sign something saying you have one of the many issues. But I think those things are up to the places distributing the vaccine.

[reillymcshane]

Thanks. Still have a lingering cough that I'll probably have forever, but otherwise fine.

 

Wasn't a fun experience. I didn't eat for 2 weeks straight. I was wondering if I'll ever eat again at that point.

 

Did lose 18 lbs out of it.

I was just reading that some people are reporting lingering issues from COVID are improving after getting the vaccine.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/long-haul-covid-vaccine/2021/03/16/6effcb28-859e-11eb-82bc-e58213caa38e_story.html

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think they already said that it's all honor system to determine who can and can't get it.

[jerichoholicninja]

Wisconsin bumped up the next vaccine group from March 29 to March 22.

 

This is people 16+ with health issues of some kind (diabetes, cancer, etc.). Makes a ton of people eligible.

 

No specifics on how they'll enforce the guidelines. Mostly likely just sign something saying you have one of the many issues. But I think those things are up to the places distributing the vaccine.

 

There is no enforcing, just honor system. Which sounds like a horrible idea.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Wisconsin bumped up the next vaccine group from March 29 to March 22.

 

This is people 16+ with health issues of some kind (diabetes, cancer, etc.). Makes a ton of people eligible.

 

No specifics on how they'll enforce the guidelines. Mostly likely just sign something saying you have one of the many issues. But I think those things are up to the places distributing the vaccine.

 

There is no enforcing, just honor system. Which sounds like a horrible idea.

 

Around 70% of Wisconsin has a BMI of 25, so there isn't really going to be much of a need for an honor system. Close to the whole state is going to be eligible next Monday. Things are likely going to be somewhat chaotic at first. I hope people are patient.

[FVBrewerFan]

Wisconsin bumped up the next vaccine group from March 29 to March 22.

 

This is people 16+ with health issues of some kind (diabetes, cancer, etc.). Makes a ton of people eligible.

 

No specifics on how they'll enforce the guidelines. Mostly likely just sign something saying you have one of the many issues. But I think those things are up to the places distributing the vaccine.

 

There is no enforcing, just honor system. Which sounds like a horrible idea.

 

It is, and it's why I've been trying to explain why I'll wait a bit.

 

Primary care physicians could have forwarded people with severe conditions to their HCN, and that should have been the group after 75+ and healthcare workers. Far from perfect, it would be subjective, but at least you would capture most people who really need the vaccine.

 

As it stands, you could have lung cancer and a healthy 20 year old jumps in front of you.