COVID-19 Thread [V2.0]

[PeaveyFury]

I found this information rather interesting.

 

https://mises.org/power-market/google-mobility-data-suggests-sweden-socially-distanced-less-other-countries

 

So Sweden looks to be a weird outlier or it is the model that everyone should be following? At a minimum it is telling us that the draconian lock downs don't and will not work.

 

The virus has a habit of making bold predictions look silly after a month or two. I'm gonna wait and see how winter plays out before declaring "winners" in the Sweden did it right or wrong sweepstakes.

 

But I will say that all these articles comparing Sweden to the rest of Europe always seem to forget to compare them to the countries on either side of them. Comparing Sweden to Spain is like comparing Wisconsin to Alabama. Different climate, culture.

 

I think it's also reasonable to examine whether the source of a study like this has a history of impartiality or bias, FWIW.

[TURBO]

Based on Congressional Districts, Wisconsin's 5th is now the world's hot spot at 115 per 100K per day. The USA is at 20.

 

So are you saying that Wisconsin's 5th congressional district is #5 in the entire world?

 

And the entire USA is 20th?

 

I'm confused.

[adambr2]

I'm assuming he means the 5th district is averaging 115 cases per 100K daily while the US daily average is 20 per 100K.

[TURBO]

I'm assuming he means the 5th district is averaging 115 cases per 100K daily while the US daily average is 20 per 100K.

 

ahhhh, ok then... Just read that completely wrong, thanks.

 

He did say the "world's hot spot" though...

[Jimbo]

https://globalepidemics.org/key-metrics-for-covid-suppression/

 

Click on "United States" and "Congressional Districts".

 

115 new cases per 100,000 residents, daily average for WI-6. This is ahead of Czechia. So yes, the world's hot spot.

[Jimbo]

Based on Congressional Districts, Wisconsin's 5th is now the world's hot spot at 115 per 100K per day. The USA is at 20.

 

So are you saying that Wisconsin's 5th congressional district is #5 in the entire world?

 

And the entire USA is 20th?

 

I'm confused.

 

My bad, the *sixth* WI CD. See post #717. The USA is 20 new cases per 100,000 daily average.

[jjfanec]

Dad and uncle got it (both who have said and lived like they were not worried about getting it). Then they gave to my mom who visited family and exposed them. Leading to kids from that family having to stay home from school, missing other events, and obviously maybe also getting covid.

 

This is the type of example that shows why the motto - I am fine if I get it - just doesnt add up. It is just so easy to give to other people and at best it messes up their lives and at worst gets them sick with a potential of death

[madbad2000]

Dad and uncle got it (both who have said and lived like they were not worried about getting it). Then they gave to my mom who visited family and exposed them. Leading to kids from that family having to stay home from school, missing other events, and obviously maybe also getting covid.

 

This is the type of example that shows why the motto - I am fine if I get it - just doesnt add up. It is just so easy to give to other people and at best it messes up their lives and at worst gets them sick with a potential of death

 

It also doesn't help how long it takes to find out you have it and the number of people you can expose during that gap. I had a 5 day gap and no symptoms when I got tested. I was "lucky" in that I knew the danger I was going into when I caught it and prepared my family ahead of time to isolate myself for at least 2 weeks. While I'm on my second week of quarantine, it's really hard to be away from them. I can empathize slightly with those people who have serious cases and are in the hospital alone dealing with this thing. It's also hard reading the discussion of COVID statistics knowing the personal toll and tragedy that goes into each positive case and death. Its so much more than just a number to be tallied and debated.

[LouisEly]

I would say none, since none of the social media allow that content.

 

I'd be willing to bet a large sum that while they don't "allow" that sort of thing that it's still getting posted. Regardless, there are plenty of domestic sources spreading misleading info anyway.

Yes, yes there are.

 

https://time.com/5897887/swing-states-2020-election/

[reillymcshane]

It's also hard reading the discussion of COVID statistics knowing the personal toll and tragedy that goes into each positive case and death. Its so much more than just a number to be tallied and debated.

This is so very true.

 

I know I shared this story previously, but to me it is so heart breaking. My son's friend from high school - a 21 year old girl - lost her dad early on to COVID. Her mom had died when she was younger (I think around 8 or 10 or something like that). She has no siblings. COVID left her an orphan at 21 - no brothers or sisters.

 

I had met the girl a couple of times - same with her father. Nice people. My son said everyone knew the father and liked him. He often volunteered at the school. You just hate to see decent people have to go through something like that at such a young age.

 

All the stats in the world don't mean anything to a kid who has lost her father.

[reillymcshane]

My sister-in-laws father is now five days or into being hospitalized and is on a ventilator. No change the past couple of days, but at his age (90+), they have said to be prepared for the worst. And if he does survive, it will be a long recovery time (they said up to three months).

 

Five others in the family have contracted COVID as well - but no one else had had to be hospitalized other than the father - so that is good.

[nodakfan17]

If I get COVID in the next 2 weeks, it’s 100% because I had to go to the DMV to renew my license yesterday. It was due to expire in November and you can’t get the Real ID online (I’d eventually like to fly again someday). The staff appeared to be taking the proper precautions, but masks were optional (in a government building?) for visitors. Further, the crowd there was a very interesting cross-section of society.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

You can renew online but can't get the RealID, but the RealID requirement was pushed back to 2021 and I would guess will likely get pushed again as this drags on. It's very quick to go back in and get the Real ID after you renew, I had to do it a while back. Your passport (if applicable) also serves as a Real ID.

[FVBrewerFan]

I would say none, since none of the social media allow that content.

 

I'd be willing to bet a large sum that while they don't "allow" that sort of thing that it's still getting posted. Regardless, there are plenty of domestic sources spreading misleading info anyway.

Yes, yes there are.

 

https://time.com/5897887/swing-states-2020-election/

 

 

Wow, this is the source you want to hang your hat on? I stopped reading after the first couple paragraphs of lies and propaganda. This article actually proves the point. This sort of garbage is allowed on Facebook and Twitter. But any of the troll farms from N Korea, Iran, etc.? Those have been shut down. Rightfully so, but there's no evidence these countries are spreading false stories about Covid.

[reillymcshane]

5,200+ new positives cases today. 64 deaths.

[jjfanec]

5,200+ new positives cases today. 64 deaths.

 

Had to get tested today and it felt like the whole city of milwaukee was getting tested. They did awesome moving us through but from anecdotal and hard evidence it seems obvious this inst going away any time soon in Wisconsin

[LouisEly]

This sort of garbage is allowed on Facebook and Twitter. But any of the troll farms from N Korea, Iran, etc.? Those have been shut down. Rightfully so, but there's no evidence these countries are spreading false stories about Covid.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/troll-farms-macedonia-philippines-pushed-coronavirus-disinformation-facebook-n1218376

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/us/politics/russia-disinformation-coronavirus.html

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-health-moscow-ap-fact-check-elections-3acb089e6a333e051dbc4a465cb68ee1

[FVBrewerFan]

This sort of garbage is allowed on Facebook and Twitter. But any of the troll farms from N Korea, Iran, etc.? Those have been shut down. Rightfully so, but there's no evidence these countries are spreading false stories about Covid.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/troll-farms-macedonia-philippines-pushed-coronavirus-disinformation-facebook-n1218376

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/us/politics/russia-disinformation-coronavirus.html

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-health-moscow-ap-fact-check-elections-3acb089e6a333e051dbc4a465cb68ee1

 

? Right, they were banned, as I said.

[stoutdude04]

This sort of garbage is allowed on Facebook and Twitter. But any of the troll farms from N Korea, Iran, etc.? Those have been shut down. Rightfully so, but there's no evidence these countries are spreading false stories about Covid.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/troll-farms-macedonia-philippines-pushed-coronavirus-disinformation-facebook-n1218376

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/us/politics/russia-disinformation-coronavirus.html

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-health-moscow-ap-fact-check-elections-3acb089e6a333e051dbc4a465cb68ee1

 

? Right, they were banned, as I said.

 

Not taking one side or the other, but if you spend anytime on twitter/facebook you find disinformation all the time. Not all are banned. A lot are, and I have no idea who is behind it, but I see it often on twitter. I dont have Facebook, so I cant say about that.

[LouisEly]

This sort of garbage is allowed on Facebook and Twitter. But any of the troll farms from N Korea, Iran, etc.? Those have been shut down. Rightfully so, but there's no evidence these countries are spreading false stories about Covid.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/troll-farms-macedonia-philippines-pushed-coronavirus-disinformation-facebook-n1218376

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/us/politics/russia-disinformation-coronavirus.html

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-health-moscow-ap-fact-check-elections-3acb089e6a333e051dbc4a465cb68ee1

 

? Right, they were banned, as I said.

Notice how my original comment was in past-tense, not present-tense:

 

I wonder how much misinformation people like that have gotten from Russian/Chinese/Iranian/North Korean hackers via social media and other means, taking advantage of confirmation bias to affect mindset and behavior.

 

The farms have been banned, but the misinformation lingers.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

5,200+ new positives cases today. 64 deaths.

 

Had to get tested today and it felt like the whole city of milwaukee was getting tested. They did awesome moving us through but from anecdotal and hard evidence it seems obvious this inst going away any time soon in Wisconsin

 

And the longer this drags the question/discussion about the cure being worse than the problem needs to be re-explored. I understand this is a bit of chicken and egg in that if we could feasibly lock everyone inside for 1 month it would help, but in the realm of reality where we know that won't happen, is the expectation really that people won't get on a plane for 2 years? People aren't going to have their wine and cheese nights for 2-3 years?

 

What is the duration of time at which point the majority accepts that viruses without actual treatments, aside from locking ourselves indoors, kill a lot of people and have throughout history? We can bemoan reckless behavior and people's selfish decisions if we want to, but that is still part of the reality we live in.

 

It is far easier to make the argument that being are being selfish when calling for a 2 month quarantine than it is after 16 months.

[PeaveyFury]

And the longer this drags the question/discussion about the cure being worse than the problem needs to be re-explored.

 

What cure is being utilized right now, exactly? People are basically doing what they will. Efforts to implement a 'cure' are being fought tooth and nail by the people who continue to diminish the current situation, and a large portion of the population is just ignoring any attempts to curb it. So what 'cure' are you referring to?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

5,200+ new positives cases today. 64 deaths.

 

Had to get tested today and it felt like the whole city of milwaukee was getting tested. They did awesome moving us through but from anecdotal and hard evidence it seems obvious this inst going away any time soon in Wisconsin

 

And the longer this drags the question/discussion about the cure being worse than the problem needs to be re-explored. I understand this is a bit of chicken and egg in that if we could feasibly lock everyone inside for 1 month it would help, but in the realm of reality where we know that won't happen, is the expectation really that people won't get on a plane for 2 years? People aren't going to have their wine and cheese nights for 2-3 years?

 

What is the duration of time at which point the majority accepts that viruses without actual treatments, aside from locking ourselves indoors, kill a lot of people and have throughout history? We can bemoan reckless behavior and people's selfish decisions if we want to, but that is still part of the reality we live in.

 

It is far easier to make the argument that being are being selfish when calling for a 2 month quarantine than it is after 16 months.

 

If this stretches 16 months, it means the medical research industry that is racing to produce a viable vaccine has failed miserably.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't think that's true. Chicago just banned indoor dining again last night. More kids are getting sent back to virtual school daily. There are countless conventions and festivals cancelled, tons of restrictions on sporting events, we don't have concerts, Broadway shows, etc. I realize that people like dismissing these as elective things we don't "need," but tell that to the people whose livelihood is rooted in them. After a calendar year goes by, I would say that yes, you do need those things, as they are vital parts of being human. I am just saying that you can dismiss someone prioritizing those things as "selfish" after a month, or two months, but it becomes a bit more muddled when a year has gone by.

[PeaveyFury]

I don't think that's true. Chicago just banned indoor dining again last night. More kids are getting sent back to virtual school daily. There are countless conventions and festivals cancelled, tons of restrictions on sporting events, we don't have concerts, Broadway shows, etc. I realize that people like dismissing these as elective things we don't "need," but tell that to the people whose livelihood is rooted in them. After a calendar year goes by, I would say that yes, you do need those things, as they are vital parts of being human. I am just saying that you can dismiss someone prioritizing those things as "selfish" after a month, or two months, but it becomes a bit more muddled when a year has gone by.

 

Sorry, but this seems fairly tone-deaf considering the current spike in infections/hospitalizations that is taking place right now. If we had 1)done better at actually implementing/listening to/complying with restrictions earlier on, perhaps we'd be better off now, and 2)Large amounts of people are still ignoring the severity because of nothing more than partisan politics. It truly is surreal.

 

Perhaps we wouldn't be talking about the 'cure' taking over a year if people on the whole had helped more along the way?