2020 Miscellaneous NFL News

[HiAndTight]

Good summary. So the proper framework of the discussion should be on the control aspects as Dak wants to hit FA again sooner, how it manipulates the cap number, how it helps try to keep a good team around him, etc. Not, "Dallas is cheap/lowballing and don't want to pay him".

 

 

Yeah, I saw where you said you'd been watching ESPN. Stephen A is the only one I've seen insinuate that Dak's contract or lack thereof was in any way race-related. He went from arguing that Dak wasn't worth 40 million a year to making these strange arguments about how if this was Tony Romo they'd have gotten a deal done.

 

The fact is, if this was just about anyone else in the league, they'd have gotten a deal done. Even Cousins in Washington didn't get to Minnesota by turning down a massive contract, he got there because they were noncommital.

 

The whole point of the show is, "who's right, which side," nonsense like that. Both sides are "right." Dak wants the most money possible, Dallas wanted to minimize the cap hit. Arguments over what Dak is "worth," are also equally pointless.

[HiAndTight]

I think Darnold could be a good QB. Wentz, I think stinks. I am bummed as well. I hope they at least give up a king's ransom for whatever they end up doing.

 

 

Darnold just hasn't had a chance. I think Indy would have been much better off going after him rather than Wentz.

 

On the other hand, while Wentz looked awful, he has shown he can be a good QB in the NFL...even play at an MVP level. In Philly he had a terrible line and no weapons. In Indy, he'll have a running game, a good OL and some weapons.

 

I wouldn't bet on him returning to form, but he doesn't really have any excuses now.

 

Even when he was good though, the most reliable thing about him was that he wasn't going to be healthy in the playoffs. Didn't he take like 3 snaps the one year he actually played in the post-season before getting hurt? I guess Andrew Luck isn't coming back. I thought he'd take two years off, feel good and come back. This would likely close the door on that. Not that the Colts wouldn't welcome him back, but I imagine if he wanted to come back, he'd have said so by this point and they wouldn't have gone after Wentz.

[PinaMadness]

RIP to Irv Cross, who was a fixture on the old NFL Today on CBS during the 70s and 80s alongside Brent Musburger, Phyllis George and Jimmy the Greek. Still the gold standard among NFL pregame shows. Also had a nice NFL career.

[PinaMadness]

Kyle Rudolph released by the Vikings.

[HiAndTight]

Kyle Rudolph released by the Vikings.

 

 

I always thought he was an underrated player.

 

Good blocker and sure-handed WR'er. Actually a bit more than that. He's a pretty good red-zone threat.

Things ended ugly in Minnesota though. He came off as whining about not getting enough touches and saying he wouldn't take a pay cut "just to be a blocker."

 

Otherwise, IF he'd sign, he'd be a nice addition.

 

 

Meanwhile, another TE, Kellen Winslow Jr just sentenced to 14 years in Prison...which honestly seems like a pretty lenient sentence for the things he did.

The 14-year-sentence was the maximum allowed under a plea deal. Winslow was convicted of forcible rape, rape of an unconscious person, assault with intent to commit rape, indecent exposure and lewd conduct in public.

 

Victims ranged from 18 to 77. I'm sure this will be blamed on CTE, but I don't buy that. Some people are just trash human beings. He's one of them.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30997360/ex-nfl-player-kellen-winslow-ii-gets-14-years-prison-sentence-rapes-assaults

[HiAndTight]

Kyle Rudolph released by the Vikings.

 

 

I always thought he was an underrated player.

 

Good blocker and sure-handed WR'er. Actually a bit more than that. He's a pretty good red-zone threat.

Things ended ugly in Minnesota though. He came off as whining about not getting enough touches and saying he wouldn't take a pay cut "just to be a blocker."

 

Otherwise, IF he'd sign, he'd be a nice addition.

 

 

Meanwhile, another TE, Kellen Winslow Jr just sentenced to 14 years in Prison...which honestly seems like a pretty lenient sentence for the things he did.

The 14-year-sentence was the maximum allowed under a plea deal. Winslow was convicted of forcible rape, rape of an unconscious person, assault with intent to commit rape, indecent exposure and lewd conduct in public.

 

Victims ranged from 18 to 77. I'm sure this will be blamed on CTE, but I don't buy that. Some people are just trash human beings. He's one of them.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30997360/ex-nfl-player-kellen-winslow-ii-gets-14-years-prison-sentence-rapes-assaults

[PinaMadness]

Jared Cook also released. Boy I wish we had never cut him. Golden Tate released too. There's going to be a slew of nice players available this year.

 

Just so anybody doesn't get confused, I'm not advocating for picking up a tight end. Just listing some interesting names that will be on the market.

[PinaMadness]

Jared Cook also released. Boy I wish we had never cut him. Golden Tate released too. There's going to be a slew of nice players available this year.

 

Just so anybody doesn't get confused, I'm not advocating for picking up a tight end. Just listing some interesting names that will be on the market.

[CheezWizHed]

Yes, not resigning Cook and going with Bennett and Graham was an incredible FA debacle...

 

I like Rudolph a few years ago and was hoping the Packers might snag him, but I get the feeling he is pretty much done at this point. Kind of redundant with Lewis on the roster.

[HiAndTight]

Yes, not resigning Cook and going with Bennett and Graham was an incredible FA debacle...

 

I like Rudolph a few years ago and was hoping the Packers might snag him, but I get the feeling he is pretty much done at this point. Kind of redundant with Lewis on the roster.

 

 

He's a little more versatile than Lewis...but I agree, if they bring back Lewis, I don't think they need to do anything at TE other than maybe draft a young talented guy in the middle rounds and try to develop him. There also seems to be a ton of respect for "Big Dog" in the locker room.

 

 

As for Cook...had he taken the contract the Packers offered, I believe he would have made more money than he did leaving for Oakland, and he very likely could have had a couple of huge years.

 

Tonyan is great, but Cook is just a different animal with the ball in his hands.

 

 

Still, getting Bennett seemed like a really nice consolation prize, but he just wasn't interested in playing any longer.

[nodakfan17]

Arrowhead Stadium is no more.

 

Say Hello to GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chiefs-announce-updated-name-for-arrowhead-stadium-making-geha-field-the-new-home-of-the-team/amp/

[nate82]

Bears and Seahawks possibly discussing a Mack for Wilson trade?

[PeaveyFury]

Bears and Seahawks possibly discussing a Mack for Wilson trade?

 

Man, what are the cap implications of THAT?

[nate82]

Bears and Seahawks possibly discussing a Mack for Wilson trade?

 

Man, what are the cap implications of THAT?

 

Would have to be done after June 7th for it to work for both teams cap wise. The Bears would still need to drop one more player like Fuller or something like that.

[brewcrewdue80]

Arrowhead Stadium is no more.

 

Say Hello to GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chiefs-announce-updated-name-for-arrowhead-stadium-making-geha-field-the-new-home-of-the-team/amp/

 

So a non-profit group has ability to take naming rights of a storied NFL Stadium?

[nodakfan17]

Arrowhead Stadium is no more.

 

Say Hello to GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chiefs-announce-updated-name-for-arrowhead-stadium-making-geha-field-the-new-home-of-the-team/amp/

 

So a non-profit group has ability to take naming rights of a storied NFL Stadium?

Apparently. I guess that’s no different than the US Postal Service sponsoring Lance Armstrong’s cycling team. Every organization, big or small, has a marketing budget.

[adambr2]

I would have to think the Bears would still need to include multiple high picks to make it happen.

 

What are the Seahawks thinking? What good does Mack do them? They're not competing in that division with Nick Foles as their QB.

[nodakfan17]

I would have to think the Bears would still need to include multiple high picks to make it happen.

 

What are the Seahawks thinking? What good does Mack do them? They're not competing in that division with Nick Foles as their QB.

They could probably turn around and flip Mack for more picks.

 

I don’t think the Bears have many extra picks, so it’d be a way for Seattle to receive compensation immediately without going out 3-4 years.

[Mr Southpaw]

Bears get

Russell Wilson

 

Seahawks get

Nick Foles

Kyle Fuller

2021 #1

2021 #3

2022 #1

2022 #2

 

Seems about right for what the Lions got for Matt Stafford. Plus it would really hurt the Bears 4-7 years into the future.

[nate82]

Bears get

Russell Wilson

 

Seahawks get

Nick Foles

Kyle Fuller

2021 #1

2021 #3

2022 #1

2022 #2

 

Seems about right for what the Lions got for Matt Stafford. Plus it would really hurt the Bears 4-7 years into the future.

 

I don't think that works cap wise for the Bears.

[HiAndTight]

Bears and Seahawks possibly discussing a Mack for Wilson trade?

 

Man, what are the cap implications of THAT?

 

 

Also....just why? What has Seattle done to make Wilson so unhappy there? And then why would they accommodate his list of 4 teams he'd consider(which the Bears are obviously on)?

 

I get he wants more protection, but it's not like Seattle hasn't tried while Chicago has the great wall of China to play behind.

 

Also, take Mack away and how different is Chicago from Seattle? Neither would have good defenses, Chicago would finally have their QB, but still not a great offense. Even if they bring A-Rob back, as good as he is, is that better than Seattle with DK Metcalf? I guess Seattle has traded away a lot of future picks, mostly for Adams, but Chicago isn't much better.

 

I don't think this makes either team a real threat(in fact, it'd probably signal a rebuild for Seattle) and Wilson is already going to be 33 next season. So Chicago, who I assume would have to add picks with Mack, accomplishes exactly what here? I'd trade for Watson if they could, I wouldn't trade for a QB who relies on athleticism and is entering his mid 30's. Trade up and

[HiAndTight]

Bears get

Russell Wilson

 

Seahawks get

Nick Foles

Kyle Fuller

2021 #1

2021 #3

2022 #1

2022 #2

 

Seems about right for what the Lions got for Matt Stafford. Plus it would really hurt the Bears 4-7 years into the future.

 

I don't think that would be enough for Wilson. I think Stafford is capable of playing at a much higher level than he has, but I think Wilson is still clearly a better QB. He's also younger, never missed a game.

 

So they got multiple 1sts, a 3rd, AND a young QB who was the 1st overall pick and led his team to the SB just two years ago. I think it's fair to say you could get at least a 2nd for a 26-year-old QB who is 42-20 as a starter and throws for about 275 per game(without Jeff Fischer). Probably a 1st.

 

Foles has negative value with 13 million in base salary, so that's almost worth giving up a good pick to get rid of(think Brock Osweiler) and Fuller is a nice player, but at 13 million in a year they're trading Wilson?

 

 

In my opinion, this is less value for a better/younger player. That said, the Lions new GM was hired away from the Rams, so there was a relationship there and if Seattle wants to trade him, there are said to be only 4 teams he'd waive his no-trade for, the Bears, Raiders, Cowboys, and Saints. Dallas is the only team that makes sense. Dak+1st, 2nd for Wilson. They can make it work and it's a ready-made roster.

 

I don't think that works cap wise for the Bears.

 

It works...at least according to Spotrac. They can get about 13 under just by cutting Hicks, restructuring Mack and making this trade. I just don't see why Seattle would go for that trade...unless things are a lot worse in Seattle than we know.

 

Wilson's agent just said he was OK staying in Seattle. So unless this becomes a Watson like situation, I'd be holding out and trying to repair things if I was Seattle.

 

But if Chicago can pull this off while keeping Mack, that would make them a contender. It likely would kill them in 3-4 years, but I don't know that they'd care.

[nodakfan17]

Also....just why? What has Seattle done to make Wilson so unhappy there?

Good question.

 

They’ve been one of the better run franchises of the past decade. Age and the inverse draft order has taken their toll on the roster, but that’s really the natural lifecycle of teams. Even Tom Brady once went 10 years between Super Bowl wins.

 

People love to pile on Pete Carroll for not running the ball from the 1 yard line in Super Bowl 49, but it wasn’t Pete Carroll who threw an interception. It was only 2nd down. If Wilson doesn’t make that mistake, they still have two more tries to punch it in..

[GAME05]

I always thought that was most of the reason for drafting a running/mobile QB in the first place: You can afford to have more breakdowns in pass protection since your QB can scramble. Plus you can put more attention into finding run-oriented OLinemen than pass-protection ones. Obviously every QB wants amazing protection in front of him, but at the same time would have Seattle won their SB or generally been as dominant if they put more money into linemen instead of the great defensive players that they've had?

 

I think we're all figuring Seattle takes an OL with their first pick. And I wonder if this might change how vocal star QBs are in the future. Will they all speak out more once they get older and stop tolerating all the hits they take? Will it be more common to ask for a trade to a team with a better OL, or when you're a star player on an otherwise-garbage team? If anything I'm surprised star QBs have been as quiet as they've been up to this point, considering franchises really do revolve around them. Star basketball players speak up all the time, yet they're probably less impactful to their team than a QB is to theirs. Replace Rodgers with Foles, or Winston with Brady, and what do you got?

[CheezWizHed]

I love RW, simply for the 1 year as a Badger (boy, to think a "what if" on having him for 4 years there)... But I wonder how he will age as a QB?

 

His game isn't a heavy run game (ala Vick, Newton, Lamar) - more of a Steve Young type. But I wonder how his game changes if he starts becoming less mobile. His INT rate has been up and down through his career and I'm thinking we will see it spike more if he can't move around as much. He still has the issue of being shorter for a QB and has used his mobility to negate that limitation.

 

And if he does go to Chicago, I'll be forced to hope he goes all "Cutler" on them.