2020 Miscellaneous NFL News

[PeaveyFury]

I didn't realize until now that trading Watson puts a $67million dead cap number on the Texans. Absolutely insane.

 

That said, does Chicago really have the ammo to acquire a guy like Watson at this point? Seems like someone else would easily be able to beat out a late-ish first rounder over the next couple of years.

[madbad2000]

I didn't realize until now that trading Watson puts a $67million dead cap number on the Texans. Absolutely insane.

 

That said, does Chicago really have the ammo to acquire a guy like Watson at this point? Seems like someone else would easily be able to beat out a late-ish first rounder over the next couple of years.

 

The situation with Watson is a bit different with the No Trade Clause because he has a bit of say in where he'd like to go. He may not even want to go to Chicago. It would seem likely that he would prefer to go to a team with a roster ready to compete now which would put the mentioned suitors out there now as SF, Chi and Mia. Then you start talking about what the Texans want (value and possibly location). So that may include getting Watson out of the AFC. Then you go to what would teams give up. I would bet that Chicago is willing to give a lot more picks than SF who still has Garoppollo. Do they have those picks? Sure they do. If you're only talking about 2020 1st rounder, they are lower than others. But if you start talking combos of 1st and 2nd rounders, they can run with most teams if they truly want to do that. Add in that Chicago is desperate for a QB, GM/HC are desperate to do something for a QB and they have proven to be willing to make big trades with picks and players. They will be players if Watson and Houston want them in the discussion.

[OldHeidelberg]

Is Chicago really just a QB away? I sure didn't think so this season.

[bjkrautk]

Maybe it's me getting a step ahead of myself, but...could the Lions make a run at Watson with the extra 1st round picks from the Stafford trade? They've already taken the cap hit for Stafford, and they could get away from Goff relatively cheaply at this point (without paying his base salary for 2021, unless it's guaranteed). Effectively replacing Stafford with a younger franchise QB would be worth the draft picks, if the Lions felt they could build around him and the new contract he will demand wherever he goes.

 

Just my $0.02 at this point.

[nate82]

Watson has a no trade clause so he can accept or decline and can basically tell the Texans where to trade him. The Texans have very little control of this situation.

[madbad2000]

Is Chicago really just a QB away? I sure didn't think so this season.

 

I would say without a doubt. Their defense is complete with some studs at every level. And I full expect Desai to bring back the Fangio scheme to capitalize on the playmakers here. They have a running game finally once they figured out their line as the season progressed. Allen Robinson has been fantastic without having a real qb. I expect him back one or another (franchise tag or extension). Mooney shined bright this year as a rookie. Kmet looks like the real deal at TE. Lots of options to add more WR in FA or draft. Put a QB like Watson in there and that looks like a real contender to me..

[pacopete4]

Give the Bears an Aaron Rodgers and they are division champs and a serious contender in the playoffs. So yes, they should do what they can to get Watson.

[HiAndTight]

Is Chicago really just a QB away? I sure didn't think so this season.

 

 

I think they would. As long as this trade doesn't force them to lose too many players like Smith in a trade or Hicks(not in the trade, but to make the cap work). Just putting Watson on the Bears and they would seem to be among the top 3-4 teams in the NFC.

[HiAndTight]

I didn't realize until now that trading Watson puts a $67million dead cap number on the Texans. Absolutely insane.

 

That said, does Chicago really have the ammo to acquire a guy like Watson at this point? Seems like someone else would easily be able to beat out a late-ish first rounder over the next couple of years.

 

 

21.6 if he's traded.

 

It seems like the last few years QB's are getting less in their signing bonus and more in guaranteed money in roster bonuses. So shouldn't be that hard for a team like the Texans to swing. Especially since it would signal they're not going to compete next year and could make other moves.

[homer]

They need to re-sign Robinson which I imagine they would if they got Watson.

[PeaveyFury]

I didn't realize until now that trading Watson puts a $67million dead cap number on the Texans. Absolutely insane.

 

That said, does Chicago really have the ammo to acquire a guy like Watson at this point? Seems like someone else would easily be able to beat out a late-ish first rounder over the next couple of years.

 

 

21.6 if he's traded.

 

Indeed. One of the odd contracts where cut/trade don't mirror each other. My mistake for not checking both...

[HiAndTight]

I didn't realize until now that trading Watson puts a $67million dead cap number on the Texans. Absolutely insane.

 

That said, does Chicago really have the ammo to acquire a guy like Watson at this point? Seems like someone else would easily be able to beat out a late-ish first rounder over the next couple of years.

 

 

21.6 if he's traded.

 

Indeed. One of the odd contracts where cut/trade don't mirror each other. My mistake for not checking both...

 

 

I made the same mistake from Goffs. I guess you can't just look at spotract any longer and guess what it will cost to trade a guy anymore. 134 million and just 25 of it was in a signing bonus but 110 guaranteed, almost all of it over the first two years.

 

 

Rodgers signed for the same amount, 4/134, but he got a 57.5 signing bonus and less than 100 guaranteed. There was a lot of speculation about Rodgers and this contract changing the market and him asking for a fully guaranteed deal, but looks like Watson came closer to it.

[GAME05]

The Lions have an out in Goff's contract after this coming season. Perfect opportunity to take Trey Lance or Mac Jones and give them a year on the bench before starting. Ideal opportunity to develop a QB, so why waste that by trading for Watson? Plus that team isn't getting much better if they give that many draft picks away.

 

The Bears make the most sense for Watson.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Is Chicago really just a QB away? I sure didn't think so this season.

 

An 8-8 team with nothing at QB is likely a contender when they add an all-pro QB.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Is Chicago really just a QB away? I sure didn't think so this season.

 

An 8-8 team with nothing at QB is likely a contender when they add an all-pro QB.

 

When you look at their cap situation headed into next season, the fact is it doesn't even include a full 53 man roster and its only QB under contract is Nick Foles right now, and they don't have a #1 receiver under contract. The Bears' current roster is on the downside of its window to contend with even a really good QB at the helm. They would have a much more difficult time swinging a trade for a QB like Watson compared to other teams likely looking to make a trade with Houston, because they don't have a quality QB or other good young talent to try and trade away that offsets the cap hit Watson would make on their current roster. Plus they are draft pick limited for the next few seasons.

 

They had every opportunity to acquire Watson at a price that would have had them contending for division and conference titles the past few years based on how they chose to structure their roster from a salary cap management standpoint - they chose Trubisky instead that draft and are now reaping the rewards of that mistake. Frankly their best bet to find their QB longterm would be to draft one in the 1st round this year.

[MrTPlush]

Watson has a no trade clause so he can accept or decline and can basically tell the Texans where to trade him. The Texans have very little control of this situation.

 

The Texans very much have control too. They can give Watson the middle finger and he can play as a Texan or retire. Watson doesn’t want to be with the Texans so he has to be realistic and choose from the list provided.

[HiAndTight]

Is Chicago really just a QB away? I sure didn't think so this season.

 

An 8-8 team with nothing at QB is likely a contender when they add an all-pro QB.

 

When you look at their cap situation headed into next season, the fact is it doesn't even include a full 53 man roster and its only QB under contract is Nick Foles right now, and they don't have a #1 receiver under contract. The Bears' current roster is on the downside of its window to contend with even a really good QB at the helm. They would have a much more difficult time swinging a trade for a QB like Watson compared to other teams likely looking to make a trade with Houston, because they don't have a quality QB or other good young talent to try and trade away that offsets the cap hit Watson would make on their current roster. Plus they are draft pick limited for the next few seasons.

 

They had every opportunity to acquire Watson at a price that would have had them contending for division and conference titles the past few years based on how they chose to structure their roster from a salary cap management standpoint - they chose Trubisky instead that draft and are now reaping the rewards of that mistake. Frankly their best bet to find their QB longterm would be to draft one in the 1st round this year.

 

They own all their picks after this year...and this year they are down a 4th.

 

And I'm not real familiar with the Bears cap, but I do know they can cut Jimmy Graham and restructure Mack and free up nearly 20 million. They'll be able to fit Robinson and Watson in this year most likely if they really want to.

 

Would they be better off drafting Lance? Maybe. Kinda hard to imagine that gives them a better chance than just trading for the guy you're hoping Lance will develop into, but I guess that's a matter of opinion.

[HiAndTight]

Watson has a no trade clause so he can accept or decline and can basically tell the Texans where to trade him. The Texans have very little control of this situation.

 

The Texans very much have control too. They can give Watson the middle finger and he can play as a Texan or retire. Watson doesn’t want to be with the Texans so he has to be realistic and choose from the list provided.

 

 

I can't believe the Jets are his top choice. I get that they look like they're going in the right direction, but it's the Jets.

 

If I were a Texans fan...outside of probably not being real happy, I'd probably be open to a trade with the Jets. Get 3 1sts and at that point, they might as well add in Darnold, who I still think can be a good QB.

 

Outside of trying your best to patch things up, that would seem to be the best option. You get the 2nd pick this year and if you get 3 1st round picks, that's probably going to be a top 10 pick next year. Hard to envision Watson turning them around this year.

 

It'd also be my preference as a Packers fan. Keep Watson out of the NFC and the NFC North.

[madbad2000]

Watson's cap hit this year is only like $13M...and there are lots of cuts and movement that the Bears can do to free up money for Watson and Robinson.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Watson's cap hit this year is only like $13M...and there are lots of cuts and movement that the Bears can do to free up money for Watson and Robinson.

 

What are they to get their cap number below $175M and field a 53 man roster? If they franchise Robinson again, that's $16M...

[nate82]

Watson's cap hit this year is only like $13M...and there are lots of cuts and movement that the Bears can do to free up money for Watson and Robinson.

 

What are they to get their cap number below $175M and field a 53 man roster? If they franchise Robinson again, that's $16M...

 

The $175m is the cap floor the ceiling is not yet known at this time.

[madbad2000]

Watson's cap hit this year is only like $13M...and there are lots of cuts and movement that the Bears can do to free up money for Watson and Robinson.

 

What are they to get their cap number below $175M and field a 53 man roster? If they franchise Robinson again, that's $16M...

 

I don't think ARob plays on the franchise tag. I would guess he gets a long term deal. With their aggressiveness to bring in a starting QB, I'm guessing Arob will be open to an extension. Graham, Skrine, and Massie are a good start. Hicks is a candidate. I'd consider a Fuller trade as well. You also have restructure candidates if you want to maneuver around.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'd trade 5 firsts for Watson if I were the Bears. It's been 40 years since they had a QB. Not likely they draft anyone as good anyway. They have nothing to lose.

[madbad2000]

I'd trade 5 firsts for Watson if I were the Bears. It's been 40 years since they had a QB. Not likely they draft anyone as good anyway. They have nothing to lose.

 

Im actually with you on that one. One of the things Pace seems to do pretty well at is hitting on mid round picks. Use your 2-7s to fill out the roster and plug holes in FA.

[CheezWizHed]

I'd trade 5 firsts for Watson if I were the Bears. It's been 40 years since they had a QB. Not likely they draft anyone as good anyway. They have nothing to lose.

 

[sarcasm]I think the thing you are missing is that simply would be the end of Watson as a good QB. He'll suddenly go all Cutler on them.[/sarcasm]