2020 Miscellaneous NFL News

[adambr2]

Every single person in the stadium knew they were going to hard count besides the Eagles' defensive line.

[yourout]

I'm betting Peterson's going to get roasted in the football circles tomorrow.

Kind of an unwritten rule that you don't throw in the towel like that in a game with playoff implications.

[PinaMadness]

I'm betting Peterson's going to get roasted in the football circles tomorrow.

Kind of an unwritten rule that you don't throw in the towel like that in a game with playoff implications.

It's not Doug Pederson's responsibility to win for a team that really shouldn't be in the playoffs anyway, but he does owe it to his players to put them in the best position to win. Those players have got to be ticked off at him right now.

[wildcat83]

To play your 3rd string QB in a close game in the 4th quarter is flat out tanking. That honestly is an integrity of the game issue for the NFL. If you announce your sitting players ahead of time that’s one thing, but to let 50 guys go to battle for 3 quarters and then plop in the third stringer is awful. That entire locker room should be irate.

[MadThinker88]

To play your 3rd string QB in a close game in the 4th quarter is flat out tanking. That honestly is an integrity of the game issue for the NFL. If you announce your sitting players ahead of time that’s one thing, but to let 50 guys go to battle for 3 quarters and then plop in the third stringer is awful. That entire locker room should be irate.

 

Any chance Doug P was taking a page from the Gregg Williams book of late game coaching in order to be shown to the door??

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Having a hard time understanding the rage over this when Hurts was 7/20 with 72 yards and a pick at the time of being pulled. I can believe they were tanking but the alarmist response on Twitter and here seems a bit much. Wentz is gone, so I don't see the harm in tossing your 3rd stringer in a semi meaningful situation in a real game to see how he fares, if he's going to be your backup QB next year.

 

I'm not saying that was the reason it went down, but this isn't like Hurts had 350 yards. Much ado about nothing IMO. The Giants were 6-10 and Philly is free to protect its best interests. I don't see a strong argument that this threatens competition. He was sucking before he got benched.

[young guns]

''Yes, I was coaching to win,'' Pederson said. ''Yes, that was my decision solely. Nate has been here four years and I felt he deserved an opportunity to get some snaps.''

 

So that's all it takes to get some playing time for pederson? If that's the case there are plenty of fans that should get some snaps next year.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I heard Tin Boyle is starting the divisional game for that reason.

[adambr2]

Having a hard time understanding the rage over this when Hurts was 7/20 with 72 yards and a pick at the time of being pulled. I can believe they were tanking but the alarmist response on Twitter and here seems a bit much. Wentz is gone, so I don't see the harm in tossing your 3rd stringer in a semi meaningful situation in a real game to see how he fares, if he's going to be your backup QB next year.

 

I'm not saying that was the reason it went down, but this isn't like Hurts had 350 yards. Much ado about nothing IMO. The Giants were 6-10 and Philly is free to protect its best interests. I don't see a strong argument that this threatens competition. He was sucking before he got benched.

 

First of all, Sudfeld has been with the Eagles for 4 years. You're not going to learn anything about him in 1 quarter of regular season action that you don't already know. There's far, far more value in letting Hurts grow and play in that situation than anything you're going to get out of playing Sudfeld.

 

As far as Hurts' stats for the game, that doesn't carry much relevance to me because it implies that Sudfeld gave the team the best chance to win at that point, which we all know isn't true. If it was a game in which Wentz was active and they turned to him I guess you could make the case for the "we went to Wentz because Hurts was struggling and we were trying to win the game", but not Sudfeld. And while Hurts wasn't having a great statistical game, he was doing some damage on the ground which was helping keep them in the game. Washington has one of the best defenses in the NFL. It was a tough matchup and good developmental opportunity.

 

And while yes, Philadelphia is free to pursue their best interests, and no, I don't feel "sorry" for the Giants, their best interests are more complex than their draft position. Yes, in a vacuum it is better for the Eagles to pick 6th rather than 9th, but there's far more to it than that. Think Pederson lost some of the respect of his team last night? These players are competitors. It means something to them, even if it doesn't mean something to Doug. They don't want Washington winning the division on their turf, on their watch, and they went out and competed like it meant something to them. Then Pederson with one move showed them that it didn't matter to him. Think they are going to want to play hard for him the first time they face adversity next season? Think something like that might make a free agent think twice for playing for a guy like him?

 

It is not a game of Madden and there is likely to be residual damage caused from last night that is more harmful than picking 3 spots lower.

[adambr2]

Not a bad call. Gallman clearly did get it back and touched down (somehow). Hard to say what happened prior to then, but that's the first clear possession.

 

That one seemed to be fine but the Pettis one was an absolute joke.

 

Oh, you were talking about the Pettis catch?

 

Yeah, they missed the call but Mike had the next 40 seconds to get it reversed and stood there and did nothing. That one is on him.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Sorry but I really doubt anyone, players included, looks back on this and gives a crap if the Eagles start off 2-0 next year. The core vets, Wentz, Ertz, Jeffrey, probably Kelce, on that team are out the door anyway. I think the Internet is massively overreacting. If they had just benched Hurts the entire game and said they didn't want to risk him getting hurt in a meaningless game, everyone would likely call it tanking but they wouldn't be acting like it was so egregious.

 

I just don't think a 4-win team pulling one crappy QB for another against a 6-win team is really a big deal at all.

[SeaBass]

My initial thought on Hurts being benched was it's entirely possible Doug Pederson didn't want to risk an injury to Hurts in a game that ultimately meant nothing to the Eagles. I'm not sure how much sense that makes, maybe very little, but especially with the reported rift with Carson Wentz how ironic might it have been if Hurts had suffered a concerning injury going into the offseason where they are likely parting ways with Wentz.

 

Either way, I don't really care that the Eagles pulled their QB, I think there's a lot of overreacting in the media and general fanbase over it. To be clear, questioning and criticizing the coach's decision is more than fair, the vitriol that's added in is where I think the overreaction resides.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

My initial thought on Hurts being benched was it's entirely possible Doug Pederson didn't want to risk an injury to Hurts in a game that ultimately meant nothing to the Eagles. I'm not sure how much sense that makes, maybe very little, but especially with the reported rift with Carson Wentz how ironic might it have been if Hurts had suffered a concerning injury going into the offseason where they are likely parting ways with Wentz.

 

Either way, I don't really care that the Eagles pulled their QB, I think there's a lot of overreacting in the media and general fanbase over it. To be clear, questioning and criticizing the coach's decision is more than fair, the vitriol that's added in is where I think the overreaction resides.

 

It doesn't hurt that the team that was supposedly slighted by the move resides in the biggest media market in the country. Had that move cemented the Panthers, for instance, being eliminated from the playoffs, nobody outside of Carolina would really care.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think that it hit the Giants was just a bit of icing on top. I think they would have done it to anybody, but that adds a nice storyline going forward.

It would be a little juicier if the Giants were 10-6 and not 6-10, though.

[PeaveyFury]

Bloody Monday tracker- In addition to the previous openings in Houston, Detroit, and Atlanta, Gase is out in NY and Marrone out in Jacksonville in two largely expected moves.

[DuWayne Steurer]

As others have mentioned, Peterson let his team down. By not playing to win. Teams don't tank in the NFL like they do in the NBA. Look at the Jets. They have gone out the last several weeks and played their tails off and won games that nobody expected them to win. those players are playing for their NFL futures. The average NFL career is 3 years. If you don't show something on the field, you're out.

 

The Bengals went out and beat the Steelers a few weeks ago. You can't tell me you can't tell anybody, that these guys don't care about winning. Peterson let down his team. And it will make a difference in the way that locker room looks at him as a leader.

 

Yes, Jalen hurts was having a bad game. But he still has more talent in his pinky than Nate sudfeld has in his entire body. From that point in the game going forward, Jalen hurts gave the eagles the best chance to win.

 

The eagles don't owe the Giants anything, but they owe it to themselves to try to win that game.

[GAME05]

1st and 10 with 22 seconds left and Seattle completes a pass instead of taking a knee. Pretty sure SF was out of timeouts. Was a small scuffle at the end of the game, but can't believe that didn't cause an all out brawl.

 

The guy who caught the pass was one catch away from triggering a contract bonus. That one additional catch made him $500,000. I'd venture to guess Wilson takes a knee if he's not open and that a bigger brawl isn't started because many on SF probably knew the deal.

[DuWayne Steurer]

It would have been hilarious if he had gotten stripped before he went out of bounds and someone did a scoop and score

[OldSchoolSnapper]

As others have mentioned, Peterson let his team down. By not playing to win. Teams don't tank in the NFL like they do in the NBA. Look at the Jets. They have gone out the last several weeks and played their tails off and won games that nobody expected them to win. those players are playing for their NFL futures. The average NFL career is 3 years. If you don't show something on the field, you're out.

 

The Bengals went out and beat the Steelers a few weeks ago. You can't tell me you can't tell anybody, that these guys don't care about winning. Peterson let down his team. And it will make a difference in the way that locker room looks at him as a leader.

 

Yes, Jalen hurts was having a bad game. But he still has more talent in his pinky than Nate sudfeld has in his entire body. From that point in the game going forward, Jalen hurts gave the eagles the best chance to win.

 

The eagles don't owe the Giants anything, but they owe it to themselves to try to win that game.

 

NFL teams do tank. They're just usually more covert about it. Bill Polian can claim what he wants, what exactly was "Suck for Luck." When you sit on cap dollars because you know the team isn't going to be relevant, you are by default not putting the best product possible on the field. I'll concede there's a difference between that kind of organizational goal and what they did last night.

 

Honestly though, going from 9 to 6 is probably not going to make any difference for Philly. You either draft a good player at either spot or you don't. Either pick should be an impact player.

[adambr2]

1st and 10 with 22 seconds left and Seattle completes a pass instead of taking a knee. Pretty sure SF was out of timeouts. Was a small scuffle at the end of the game, but can't believe that didn't cause an all out brawl.

 

The guy who caught the pass was one catch away from triggering a contract bonus. That one additional catch made him $500,000. I'd venture to guess Wilson takes a knee if he's not open and that a bigger brawl isn't started because many on SF probably knew the deal.

 

I heard it was $100K, but I guess Wilson did it on his own and Pete didn't know about it. Either way, after hearing the full story I have no issue with it and I doubt the 49ers do either.

[Jimbo]

Off topic, but I noticed both FOX and CBS had double headers yesterday. The first time I've seen it. Anyone here notice it happening before? Was this a Week 17 thing? A COVID season thing? So many weird things this season.

[Vgmastr]

Off topic, but I noticed both FOX and CBS had double headers yesterday. The first time I've seen it. Anyone here notice it happening before? Was this a Week 17 thing? A COVID season thing? So many weird things this season.

 

It's a Week 17 thing and that's been in place for quite a few years.

[homer]

I'm going to go out on a small to medium-sized limb and predict that the Chiefs will not make it to the Super Bowl.

[PeaveyFury]

I'm going to go out on a small to medium-sized limb and predict that the Chiefs will not make it to the Super Bowl.

 

This was a popular discussion with my family yesterday- the question was 'are the Packers good enough to beat the Chiefs,' and my response was that I'm not sure the Cheifs make it there. They remind me a lot of the '11 Packers, honestly. Ugly defense, great QB/offensive play, but may have played their best football too early in the season and kind of 'uglied' their way into the playoffs. I think you can make a really good case for 4-5 of the AFC teams to make the Super Bowl, and I think the pathway there is harder than in the NFC.

[Underachiever]

I'm going to go out on a small to medium-sized limb and predict that the Chiefs will not make it to the Super Bowl.

 

This was a popular discussion with my family yesterday- the question was 'are the Packers good enough to beat the Chiefs,' and my response was that I'm not sure the Cheifs make it there. They remind me a lot of the '11 Packers, honestly. Ugly defense, great QB/offensive play, but may have played their best football too early in the season and kind of 'uglied' their way into the playoffs. I think you can make a really good case for 4-5 of the AFC teams to make the Super Bowl, and I think the pathway there is harder than in the NFC.

I don't disagree with you, but I looked at the numbers just now. The AFC went 35-28-1 against the NFC this year. That is a pretty good margin, and to have 7 teams with 11 or more wins makes their playoff field look strong. But, three of the four divisions went exactly .500 (24-24) head to head in their intra-conference games. The AFC North got to feed on the NFC East, and three of their teams made the playoffs because of it. BAL, CLE, PIT went 11-1 against the NFC East. I think Pittsburgh has been exposed in the last month, and, without knowing tiebreakers, if either Baltimore or Cleveland plays any other NFC division, they probably don't go 4-0 and one of them probably isn't still alive today.