2020 Miscellaneous NFL News

[homer]

The 49ers are the latest example of why you should never buy anyone's spiel when they're telling you a team is "set up to dominate for 4-6 years." Their season is in no way over, but we had people talking like they didn't even have to play the regular season. It almost never works out that way.

 

I agree but lets be fair they lost their qb, top 2 rbs, top 2 wrs, and their all pro TE was out for a while and his backup got hurt. On defense they two great defensive lineman and have two others hurt. One of their top cbs is also hurt. I dont know a single team that could not be seriously affected. I actually think how competitive their team has been is a testament to why people said this team is set up to dominate for 4-6 years. Imagine what the Packers would look like with similar injuries.

 

Well we have lost our best defender, our best inside linebacker, #2 receiver, a starting offensive lineman, and now 2 games of our top receiver. I wouldn't say we've gotten off easy.

 

I think it shows how important qb is. Rodgers can make his teammates look good. Garropolo might be able to but his backups sure can't.

[jerichoholicninja]

The 49ers are the latest example of why you should never buy anyone's spiel when they're telling you a team is "set up to dominate for 4-6 years." Their season is in no way over, but we had people talking like they didn't even have to play the regular season. It almost never works out that way.

 

Who was saying that? The NFC West is possibly the most competitive division in the NFL. Rams, 49'ers, Seahawks are all set up to be highly competitive for years. And Kyler certainly makes the Cardinals looks like they're a competent defense away from making it a 4 way race.

[jjfanec]

The 49ers are the latest example of why you should never buy anyone's spiel when they're telling you a team is "set up to dominate for 4-6 years." Their season is in no way over, but we had people talking like they didn't even have to play the regular season. It almost never works out that way.

 

I agree but lets be fair they lost their qb, top 2 rbs, top 2 wrs, and their all pro TE was out for a while and his backup got hurt. On defense they two great defensive lineman and have two others hurt. One of their top cbs is also hurt. I dont know a single team that could not be seriously affected. I actually think how competitive their team has been is a testament to why people said this team is set up to dominate for 4-6 years. Imagine what the Packers would look like with similar injuries.

 

Well we have lost our best defender, our best inside linebacker, #2 receiver, a starting offensive lineman, and now 2 games of our top receiver. I wouldn't say we've gotten off easy.

 

I wouldnt either but it just doesnt compare. Bosa is comparable to Clark. Sherman maybe comparable to Kirksley. Thomas is a good player as well and now they have lost Ziggy as well.

 

On offense Kittle and Adams are similar. They were missing Deebo for a while along with other wrs so similar to Lazard now. Then you add two rbs and qb and that is pretty huge.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The 49ers are the latest example of why you should never buy anyone's spiel when they're telling you a team is "set up to dominate for 4-6 years." Their season is in no way over, but we had people talking like they didn't even have to play the regular season. It almost never works out that way.

 

I agree but lets be fair they lost their qb, top 2 rbs, top 2 wrs, and their all pro TE was out for a while and his backup got hurt. On defense they two great defensive lineman and have two others hurt. One of their top cbs is also hurt. I dont know a single team that could not be seriously affected. I actually think how competitive their team has been is a testament to why people said this team is set up to dominate for 4-6 years. Imagine what the Packers would look like with similar injuries.

 

All regular things that happen all the time. You are one blown knee from going 13-3 to 9-7 or 6-10 if it happens to the wrong guy or guys. There is too much volatility in the NFL year to year. Nobody has really lived up to that "they're set up" stuff besides New England.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The 49ers are the latest example of why you should never buy anyone's spiel when they're telling you a team is "set up to dominate for 4-6 years." Their season is in no way over, but we had people talking like they didn't even have to play the regular season. It almost never works out that way.

 

Who was saying that? The NFC West is possibly the most competitive division in the NFL. Rams, 49'ers, Seahawks are all set up to be highly competitive for years. And Kyler certainly makes the Cardinals looks like they're a competent defense away from making it a 4 way race.

 

There is at least one poster on this very page who was quite adamant that the Packers had done nothing to "close the gap" with SF. Seattle is set up to compete because they have Russ. A stud QB like that is much more assurance that you'll be at least good for a long time than a dominant defense. There is way less consistency if your defense is the primary reason you're good. I don't think Jimmy is that kind of generational talent. He could reasonably be playing somewhere else in a few years. Probably not, but wouldn't be that shocking.

[PinaMadness]

Bill O' Brien out as Texans GM and head coach.

[adambr2]

Bill O' Brien out as Texans GM and head coach.

 

Can't believe it took them this long to figure out he sucks.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Not sure how far behind Dan Quinn is if the Packers win tonight.

[nodakfan17]

Bill O' Brien out as Texans GM and head coach.

 

Can't believe it took them this long to figure out he sucks.

They should probably also fire the guy who gave him both those jobs.

[jjfanec]

The 49ers are the latest example of why you should never buy anyone's spiel when they're telling you a team is "set up to dominate for 4-6 years." Their season is in no way over, but we had people talking like they didn't even have to play the regular season. It almost never works out that way.

 

I agree but lets be fair they lost their qb, top 2 rbs, top 2 wrs, and their all pro TE was out for a while and his backup got hurt. On defense they two great defensive lineman and have two others hurt. One of their top cbs is also hurt. I dont know a single team that could not be seriously affected. I actually think how competitive their team has been is a testament to why people said this team is set up to dominate for 4-6 years. Imagine what the Packers would look like with similar injuries.

 

All regular things that happen all the time. You are one blown knee from going 13-3 to 9-7 or 6-10 if it happens to the wrong guy or guys. There is too much volatility in the NFL year to year. Nobody has really lived up to that "they're set up" stuff besides New England.

 

I am sorry but what has happened to the 49ers through 4 games does not happen all the time. I dont think i have ever seen a team without their starting qb, top 2 rbs, top wr with other injuries hurting depth, all pro te for two games and his back up hurt. Literally every starting skill position player has missed multiple games or parts of multiple games. That is not regular. Not to mention down at least 3 starters on defense either out for the year or on IR.

[nodakfan17]

Not sure how far behind Dan Quinn is if the Packers win tonight.

(knock, knock, knock)

[Fear The Chorizo]

The 49ers are the latest example of why you should never buy anyone's spiel when they're telling you a team is "set up to dominate for 4-6 years." Their season is in no way over, but we had people talking like they didn't even have to play the regular season. It almost never works out that way.

 

Who was saying that? The NFC West is possibly the most competitive division in the NFL. Rams, 49'ers, Seahawks are all set up to be highly competitive for years. And Kyler certainly makes the Cardinals looks like they're a competent defense away from making it a 4 way race.

 

There is at least one poster on this very page who was quite adamant that the Packers had done nothing to "close the gap" with SF. Seattle is set up to compete because they have Russ. A stud QB like that is much more assurance that you'll be at least good for a long time than a dominant defense. There is way less consistency if your defense is the primary reason you're good. I don't think Jimmy is that kind of generational talent. He could reasonably be playing somewhere else in a few years. Probably not, but wouldn't be that shocking.

 

Honestly, the biggest factor in "closing the gap" year in/year out is teams that take a big leap going from playing 4th place schedules the year they burst onto the scene to having to face 1st place/playoff team caliber schedules the very next year - that really shows up for teams that don't have a stud playing QB year in/year out. Those teams almost always run into salary cap hell, too. Injuries are obviously a third huge factor, and they inevitably derail even the most ironclad-looking rosters. San Fran is in a tough division, playing a 1st place schedule, and has the NFC South as part of its out of division schedule. Another 13-3 wasn't going to happen even if they were pristinely healthy.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I am sorry but what has happened to the 49ers through 4 games does not happen all the time.

 

 

They've also gotten to play both NY teams, who are godawful, to pick up a pair of wins. Their schedule to this point has been incredibly soft and they are 2-2. The injuries are brutal, but they also aren't nearly as deep talentwise as many believed - in fact no NFL team can be deep enough to withstand this kind of injury bug, that's just part of football from year to year.

[jjfanec]

I am sorry but what has happened to the 49ers through 4 games does not happen all the time.

 

 

They've also gotten to play both NY teams, who are godawful, to pick up a pair of wins. Their schedule to this point has been incredibly soft and they are 2-2. The injuries are brutal, but they also aren't nearly as deep talentwise as many believed - in fact no NFL team can be deep enough to withstand this kind of injury bug, that's just part of football from year to year.

 

I dont disagree. They have played a very easy schedule. They have had a ton of injuries. I have no idea how good the 49ers are but I just dont think there is anyway to fairly evaluate them right now. I also dont know if I have ever seen an offense with this many injuries this early in the season.

[HiAndTight]

 

Honestly, the biggest factor in "closing the gap" year in/year out is teams that take a big leap going from playing 4th place schedules the year they burst onto the scene to having to face 1st place/playoff team caliber schedules the very next year - that really shows up for teams that don't have a stud playing QB year in/year out. Those teams almost always run into salary cap hell, too. Injuries are obviously a third huge factor, and they inevitably derail even the most ironclad-looking rosters. San Fran is in a tough division, playing a 1st place schedule, and has the NFC South as part of its out of division schedule. Another 13-3 wasn't going to happen even if they were pristinely healthy.

 

 

Joey Bosa, Dee Ford, Thomas...3/4ths of their DL

DeeBo, Kittle, Coleman, Mossert...

 

And then you throw in their 4 top CB's, their starting QB...

 

So aside from the argument they weren't going 13-3 again being impossible to predict, it's easy to say now when they've been absolutely decimated by injuries. They've lost probably...6-7 Pro-Bowl players in the first FOUR games and they're still one of the better teams in the NFL.

 

 

You could also look at Baltimore to refute this argument. I don't know if they win 14 games next year, but I think it's pretty reasonable they'll win 12+.

 

The schedule is a couple game difference. You're playing the same teams in your division, you're playing the same teams in the other divisions. You have a couple of unique games compared to the other teams in your own division. I think the 1st to last play schedule is what's overrated.

 

I'll put health as the #1 factor, and young talent as the 2nd most important when you're talking about teams breaking through. The 49'ers were probably going to be a 10 win team the year Jimmy G went down with injury...but "lucky" for them he got injured and Bosa was available and totally completed that team.

 

The 49'ers are going to be a lot to deal with for a very long time, but only Bill Belichick could overcome THIS many injuries.

[PeaveyFury]

Bill O' Brien out as Texans GM and head coach.

 

Can't believe it took them this long to figure out he sucks.

They should probably also fire the guy who gave him both those jobs.

 

It's remarkable that they didn't just can him after that horrible Hopkins trade. They're horrible, and he traded away their 1st AND SECOND this year so they can't even capitalize on their horribleness.

[MrTPlush]

Matt Patricia now the king of “how does that guy still have a job”.

[PeaveyFury]

Matt Patricia now the king of “how does that guy still have a job”.

 

Yeah. I think Patricia and Quinn are now on the hottest of hot seats. Honestly, someone posted that McCarthy is a fluke comeback/terrible ST play away from 0-4, and I wonder how hot that seat would be in Dallas if that was the case....

[HiAndTight]

I am sorry but what has happened to the 49ers through 4 games does not happen all the time.

 

 

They've also gotten to play both NY teams, who are godawful, to pick up a pair of wins. Their schedule to this point has been incredibly soft and they are 2-2. The injuries are brutal, but they also aren't nearly as deep talentwise as many believed - in fact no NFL team can be deep enough to withstand this kind of injury bug, that's just part of football from year to year.

 

I dont disagree. They have played a very easy schedule. They have had a ton of injuries. I have no idea how good the 49ers are but I just dont think there is anyway to fairly evaluate them right now. I also dont know if I have ever seen an offense with this many injuries this early in the season.

 

 

Offense? Look at that defense. 3/4ths of the starting DL, their top 5 Corners have missed time, a safety, a starting LB'er.

 

I don't know if I've ever seen ANY team suffer this level of injuries on both sides of the ball in general.

 

 

But on another note....I'm in awe of New England. People thought this would be the year...they got lucky and half their D opted out, Brady left, they don't have any weapons...even though they brought in Cam, they'd be in the Lawrence sweepstakes.

 

They're playing the Chiefs and driving down 6-3 in the 2nd half....I love MLF and I clung to the Lombardi was the greatest coach argument for a long time, but it's incredible what he's doing with this team. It's just amazing.

[HiAndTight]

Matt Patricia now the king of “how does that guy still have a job”.

 

 

I'm a little surprised with Detroit. They played hard even when Stafford went down similar to how Florres had the Dolphins playing. It appeared to me like he was a good coach with a team that just lacked talent...but something's just not clicking there.

 

But hey...I can think of a team that could use a good DC this next off-season. Perhaps a DC who's comfortable playing with a versatile front and switching between a 3-4 and a 4-3.

 

Pettine's just frustrating me. I actually think Capers is a better DC for this team. He did better with less up front because he just asked the DL to eat space, not penetrate whereas Pettine asks just the opposite...which is comical when you have Lancaster and Lowry as two of your starters.

[CheezWizHed]

Bill O' Brien out as Texans GM and head coach.

 

Drat! I was still hoping for a mid-season trade with Texas...

[HiAndTight]

It's remarkable that they didn't just can him after that horrible Hopkins trade. They're horrible, and he traded away their 1st AND SECOND this year so they can't even capitalize on their horribleness.

 

 

Well it's hard to blame Bill O'Brien for struggling in Houston when his GM keeps handcuffing him.

 

You trade away two firsts for a solid but not great LT and then you take back a bad contract and send a 4th while only getting a 2nd back for the modern day Jerry Rice?

[PinaMadness]

Bill O' Brien out as Texans GM and head coach.

 

Drat! I was still hoping for a mid-season trade with Texas...

They don't have any draft picks left.

[CheezWizHed]

Bill O' Brien out as Texans GM and head coach.

 

Drat! I was still hoping for a mid-season trade with Texas...

They don't have any draft picks left.

 

I was thinking Watt for a 7th round pick in 2029

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I am sorry but what has happened to the 49ers through 4 games does not happen all the time. I dont think i have ever seen a team without their starting qb, top 2 rbs, top wr with other injuries hurting depth, all pro te for two games and his back up hurt. Literally every starting skill position player has missed multiple games or parts of multiple games. That is not regular. Not to mention down at least 3 starters on defense either out for the year or on IR.

 

I've heard the injury spiel before. They're as much a part of the game anything else. It is one Vikings fans' favorite tropes. They are probably the single biggest reason these pre-emptive dynasties don't come to fruition. I don't know why you're bringing them up like they negate what I said. They are precisely the reason I dislike the "this team is set up for X years" statements. They happen all the time.

 

Some of those injured players will never be as good again. It happens to everybody.