COVID-19 aftermath: What things will change forever?

[tmwiese55]

I think one's chuckles are best left for the people running around acting like this is all made up over the people that are choosing to be extra cautious to possibly maybe help your chances just a smidge. They're not stupid, they know they're being anal on it. They're choosing to inconvenience themselves a bit for the greater good, even if it's just minimal, and you're making fun of them for it.

 

If it were this simple I'd agree but the fact is that a ton of people aren't just doing that, they are actively judging those who choose to live normally and acting like they're completely insane. You can barely dissent from this at all in public, god forbid question it on social media, without people calling you Karen (doesn't even align with the meme), calling you a MAGA guy, or some other kind of dismissive insult.

 

To be honest, I've seen a lot more of that than what you're suggesting.

 

That was not mentioned on this topic at all. It was about people wearing a mask while outdoors jogging exercising etc. So, essentially you've just stereotyped that a person wearing a mask is now a judgy jerk in this. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? I mean, in this specific example in the thread it was a poster doing it to the mask wearer and your first response it to say the mask wearer is actually the judgy one rather than the guy, you know, judging and making fun of the mask wearer.

 

I fully agree anyone freaking out and creating a confrontation are over the line. Whoever posted the youtube video of that example confrontation a page or two back is spot on. Confronting and judging on either side of it helps in no way.

 

Also, I have no idea how you're not seeing a large faction ripping on the hysteria of corona. This is out there, heck essentially an entire faction of the media is dedicated to it. You had mass protest all over the country for it. Or do you not have any ties or interaction with more rural parts of the state? That is essentially all a huge portion of them have been saying since mid February. And of course in today's world no matter what new info presents itself, they'll never admit they've been wrong.

 

My point was essentially, all the guy jogging or going to the grocery store with the mask is doing is being overly cautious with the goal of maybe helping you. And you're ripping him for it. The guys piled into bars screaming Sweet Caroline into each other's faces are actively choosing to increase your risk. I'm not saying they can't live their lives, it's their choice and we're all gonna have to live again at some point. But if one insists on laughing/judging like this poster was doing which one would warrant "laughing at" in terms of their ignorance and stupidity? The one trying to help(however minimally it might be), or the one intentionally increasing the risk(however minimally it might be)?

[FVBrewerFan]

That was not mentioned on this topic at all. It was about people wearing a mask while outdoors jogging exercising etc. So, essentially you've just stereotyped that a person wearing a mask is now a judgy jerk in this. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? I mean, in this specific example in the thread it was a poster doing it to the mask wearer and your first response it to say the mask wearer is actually the judgy one rather than the guy, you know, judging and making fun of the mask wearer.

 

I fully agree anyone freaking out and creating a confrontation are over the line. Whoever posted the youtube video of that example confrontation a page or two back is spot on. Confronting and judging on either side of it helps in no way.

 

Also, I have no idea how you're not seeing a large faction ripping on the hysteria of corona. This is out there, heck essentially an entire faction of the media is dedicated to it. You had mass protest all over the country for it. Or do you not have any ties or interaction with more rural parts of the state? That is essentially all a huge portion of them have been saying since mid February. And of course in today's world no matter what new info presents itself, they'll never admit they've been wrong.

 

Well, most people here have been wrong about their doom and gloom predictions. Big spike after the election. Big spike in GA, FL, etc. as those states opened. And oh my, what a mess in WI when we re-opened, it's going to be horrible. We could go on and on about things most here have been wrong about.

 

Has anyone admitted they were wrong? Not that I recall. How that for hypocrisy.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think one's chuckles are best left for the people running around acting like this is all made up over the people that are choosing to be extra cautious to possibly maybe help your chances just a smidge. They're not stupid, they know they're being anal on it. They're choosing to inconvenience themselves a bit for the greater good, even if it's just minimal, and you're making fun of them for it.

 

If it were this simple I'd agree but the fact is that a ton of people aren't just doing that, they are actively judging those who choose to live normally and acting like they're completely insane. You can barely dissent from this at all in public, god forbid question it on social media, without people calling you Karen (doesn't even align with the meme), calling you a MAGA guy, or some other kind of dismissive insult.

 

To be honest, I've seen a lot more of that than what you're suggesting.

 

That was not mentioned on this topic at all. It was about people wearing a mask while outdoors jogging exercising etc. So, essentially you've just stereotyped that a person wearing a mask is now a judgy jerk in this. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? I mean, in this specific example in the thread it was a poster doing it to the mask wearer and your first response it to say the mask wearer is actually the judgy one rather than the guy, you know, judging and making fun of the mask wearer.

 

I fully agree anyone freaking out and creating a confrontation are over the line. Whoever posted the youtube video of that example confrontation a page or two back is spot on. Confronting and judging on either side of it helps in no way.

 

Also, I have no idea how you're not seeing a large faction ripping on the hysteria of corona. This is out there, heck essentially an entire faction of the media is dedicated to it. You had mass protest all over the country for it. Or do you not have any ties or interaction with more rural parts of the state? That is essentially all a huge portion of them have been saying since mid February. And of course in today's world no matter what new info presents itself, they'll never admit they've been wrong.

 

My point was essentially, all the guy jogging or going to the grocery store with the mask is doing is being overly cautious with the goal of maybe helping you. And you're ripping him for it. The guys piled into bars screaming Sweet Caroline into each other's faces are actively choosing to increase your risk. I'm not saying they can't live their lives, it's their choice and we're all gonna have to live again at some point. But if one insists on laughing/judging like this poster was doing which one would warrant "laughing at" in terms of their ignorance and stupidity? The one trying to help(however minimally it might be), or the one intentionally increasing the risk(however minimally it might be)?

 

Ok, first off, I wasn't isolating that to this topic. I'm saying in general, in public, the sentiment that's now finally fading, is that anyone questioning this was a loon, a fan of he will not be named, etc. TRUST SCIENCE, FLATTEN THE CURVE. I thought my post spelled that out rather clearly literally using the phrase 'in public' and mentioning social media.

 

That has only recently started to turn. In fact, BF.net is the only place I visit where the dissenting conversation was even allowed to take place. You can't do it anywhere but small pockets on Reddit, Facebook and Twitter are no-gos unless you want to be screamed at, and I live in rural WI, so no, I'm not "turned off" to the rural parts of the state. In my community, it was not taken as seriously, however as soon as you engage any kind of mass media, the world was ending for about 6 weeks.

 

And actually, the premise of what you're saying here is built on a straw man. The poster said they would chuckle at a person in a mask riding a bike down a country road. They did not say it "bothered" them, which is what the replying poster said. Nor did they judge them. They said they'd chuckle. For wearing a mask on a bike ride or jog, not for wearing a mask, which is what you indicated above.

 

You're mish-mashing a bunch of significant distinguishing details there.

 

Last, reconciling "nobody's saying that" with this viewtopic.php?p=1300619#p1300619 is quite hypocritical. The debate over the shutdown stopping spread, and the degree to which it did, is a completely valid one. The data hasn't proven anything in regards to the shutdown's effectiveness. There are a bunch of places that did little to nothing and didn't experience anything differently.

[PeaveyFury]

Well, most people here have been wrong about their doom and gloom predictions. Big spike after the election. Big spike in GA, FL, etc. as those states opened. And oh my, what a mess in WI when we re-opened, it's going to be horrible.

 

The problem is, the actual data says that none of that is wrong.

 

Wisconsin is one of the 18 states where the cases are trending upward:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html#states

 

Georgia? Consider the hotspot map here which have Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi lit up in Badger red (red ISN'T good, for the record):

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

 

Most of Florida's counties have an upward trajectory as well.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

^The states experiencing spikes was completely expected as they continued testing more and more. You need the rates, not the volume. The volume of cases going up is half a story, really a non-story. Combined with finally admitting that cases were present in the USA in January, and the mortality rape dropping to what the looney crowd projected all along. I don't think anybody thought the number of cases would not increase.

 

His point is accurate. The more time that passes and the more we learn the more the virus appears to be a massive overreaction.

 

I fully expect headlines in coming months to be "mortality for COVID19 much lower than estimates" as well as "COVID19 was far more prevalent in January than estimated."

[PeaveyFury]

^The states experiencing spikes was completely expected as they continued testing more and more. You need the rates, not the volume. The volume of cases going up is half a story, really a non-story. Combined with finally admitting that cases were present in the USA in January, and the mortality rape dropping to what the looney crowd projected all along. I don't think anybody thought the number of cases would not increase.

 

His point is accurate. The more time that passes and the more we learn the more the virus appears to be a massive overreaction.

 

I fully expect headlines in coming months to be "mortality for COVID19 much lower than estimates" as well as "COVID19 was far more prevalent in January than estimated."

 

Curious if you actually clicked through the links to look at the data?

 

The trend lines show an uptick in the positive test rate per capita, not just an increase in the number of cases.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Click on 'Lab Testing') A whopping 12!!!!!! tests run yesterday.

 

Pretty sure that 12 is confirmed case totals, not total tests run - I'm sure they haven't tested a ton and really wish they would

 

Oh, guess you deleted that link already in your earlier post

[tmwiese55]

That was not mentioned on this topic at all. It was about people wearing a mask while outdoors jogging exercising etc. So, essentially you've just stereotyped that a person wearing a mask is now a judgy jerk in this. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? I mean, in this specific example in the thread it was a poster doing it to the mask wearer and your first response it to say the mask wearer is actually the judgy one rather than the guy, you know, judging and making fun of the mask wearer.

 

I fully agree anyone freaking out and creating a confrontation are over the line. Whoever posted the youtube video of that example confrontation a page or two back is spot on. Confronting and judging on either side of it helps in no way.

 

Also, I have no idea how you're not seeing a large faction ripping on the hysteria of corona. This is out there, heck essentially an entire faction of the media is dedicated to it. You had mass protest all over the country for it. Or do you not have any ties or interaction with more rural parts of the state? That is essentially all a huge portion of them have been saying since mid February. And of course in today's world no matter what new info presents itself, they'll never admit they've been wrong.

 

My point was essentially, all the guy jogging or going to the grocery store with the mask is doing is being overly cautious with the goal of maybe helping you. And you're ripping him for it. The guys piled into bars screaming Sweet Caroline into each other's faces are actively choosing to increase your risk. I'm not saying they can't live their lives, it's their choice and we're all gonna have to live again at some point. But if one insists on laughing/judging like this poster was doing which one would warrant "laughing at" in terms of their ignorance and stupidity? The one trying to help(however minimally it might be), or the one intentionally increasing the risk(however minimally it might be)?

 

Ok, first off, I wasn't isolating that to this topic. I'm saying in general, in public, the sentiment that's now finally fading, is that anyone questioning this was a loon, a fan of he will not be named, etc. TRUST SCIENCE, FLATTEN THE CURVE. I thought my post spelled that out rather clearly literally using the phrase 'in public' and mentioning social media.

 

That has only recently started to turn. In fact, BF.net is the only place I visit where the dissenting conversation was even allowed to take place. You can't do it anywhere but small pockets on Reddit, Facebook and Twitter are no-gos unless you want to be screamed at, and I live in rural WI, so no, I'm not "turned off" to the rural parts of the state. In my community, it was not taken as seriously, however as soon as you engage any kind of mass media, the world was ending for about 6 weeks.

 

And actually, the premise of what you're saying here is built on a straw man. The poster said they would chuckle at a person in a mask riding a bike down a country road. They did not say it "bothered" them, which is what the replying poster said. Nor did they judge them. They said they'd chuckle. For wearing a mask on a bike ride or jog, not for wearing a mask, which is what you indicated above.

 

You're mish-mashing a bunch of significant distinguishing details there.

 

Last, reconciling "nobody's saying that" with this viewtopic.php?p=1300619#p1300619 is quite hypocritical. The debate over the shutdown stopping spread, and the degree to which it did, is a completely valid one. The data hasn't proven anything in regards to the shutdown's effectiveness. There are a bunch of places that did little to nothing and didn't experience anything differently.

 

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Thanks for proving my point quite well. Saw subsequent posts trying to cling to deathrate now to prove you've been right along. This has never been about deathrate, it's about the spread/infection rate thus leading to huge total numbers. It's great to see this argument flip flop from "there is no cases here, what are we doing?!?" to "there was actually so many cases that it's not that bad, see you guys were wrong, this is nothing". No matter what, you're right.

 

Sorry, I consider laughing at someone (implying them to be stupid) to be judging them.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

^The states experiencing spikes was completely expected as they continued testing more and more. You need the rates, not the volume. The volume of cases going up is half a story, really a non-story. Combined with finally admitting that cases were present in the USA in January, and the mortality rape dropping to what the looney crowd projected all along. I don't think anybody thought the number of cases would not increase.

 

His point is accurate. The more time that passes and the more we learn the more the virus appears to be a massive overreaction.

 

I fully expect headlines in coming months to be "mortality for COVID19 much lower than estimates" as well as "COVID19 was far more prevalent in January than estimated."

 

Curious if you actually clicked through the links to look at the data?

 

The trend lines show an uptick in the positive test rate per capita, not just an increase in the number of cases.

 

I did, but remember that in the beginning of this they were turning away people from testing who were not gravely ill. They've changed the pool of who they're testing a bunch of times. The only thing we can say with certainty right now is that the death rate was horribly inaccurate. We went from 4%, to people here saying they didn't see it dropping below 1%, to .2% being a distinct possibility.

[PeaveyFury]

Click on 'Lab Testing') A whopping 12!!!!!! tests run yesterday.

 

Pretty sure that 12 is confirmed case totals, not total tests run - I'm sure they haven't tested a ton and really wish they would

 

Oh, guess you deleted that link already in your earlier post

 

Yes, the data showed 12 total positive tests in the state of Georgia yesterday, not 12 tests run. I can't find total testing info at this point. My skepticism remains high, as I strongly doubt a state of 11 million people with one of the largest metro areas in the country only had 12 COVID cases....

[OldSchoolSnapper]

That was not mentioned on this topic at all. It was about people wearing a mask while outdoors jogging exercising etc. So, essentially you've just stereotyped that a person wearing a mask is now a judgy jerk in this. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? I mean, in this specific example in the thread it was a poster doing it to the mask wearer and your first response it to say the mask wearer is actually the judgy one rather than the guy, you know, judging and making fun of the mask wearer.

 

I fully agree anyone freaking out and creating a confrontation are over the line. Whoever posted the youtube video of that example confrontation a page or two back is spot on. Confronting and judging on either side of it helps in no way.

 

Also, I have no idea how you're not seeing a large faction ripping on the hysteria of corona. This is out there, heck essentially an entire faction of the media is dedicated to it. You had mass protest all over the country for it. Or do you not have any ties or interaction with more rural parts of the state? That is essentially all a huge portion of them have been saying since mid February. And of course in today's world no matter what new info presents itself, they'll never admit they've been wrong.

 

My point was essentially, all the guy jogging or going to the grocery store with the mask is doing is being overly cautious with the goal of maybe helping you. And you're ripping him for it. The guys piled into bars screaming Sweet Caroline into each other's faces are actively choosing to increase your risk. I'm not saying they can't live their lives, it's their choice and we're all gonna have to live again at some point. But if one insists on laughing/judging like this poster was doing which one would warrant "laughing at" in terms of their ignorance and stupidity? The one trying to help(however minimally it might be), or the one intentionally increasing the risk(however minimally it might be)?

 

Ok, first off, I wasn't isolating that to this topic. I'm saying in general, in public, the sentiment that's now finally fading, is that anyone questioning this was a loon, a fan of he will not be named, etc. TRUST SCIENCE, FLATTEN THE CURVE. I thought my post spelled that out rather clearly literally using the phrase 'in public' and mentioning social media.

 

That has only recently started to turn. In fact, BF.net is the only place I visit where the dissenting conversation was even allowed to take place. You can't do it anywhere but small pockets on Reddit, Facebook and Twitter are no-gos unless you want to be screamed at, and I live in rural WI, so no, I'm not "turned off" to the rural parts of the state. In my community, it was not taken as seriously, however as soon as you engage any kind of mass media, the world was ending for about 6 weeks.

 

And actually, the premise of what you're saying here is built on a straw man. The poster said they would chuckle at a person in a mask riding a bike down a country road. They did not say it "bothered" them, which is what the replying poster said. Nor did they judge them. They said they'd chuckle. For wearing a mask on a bike ride or jog, not for wearing a mask, which is what you indicated above.

 

You're mish-mashing a bunch of significant distinguishing details there.

 

Last, reconciling "nobody's saying that" with this viewtopic.php?p=1300619#p1300619 is quite hypocritical. The debate over the shutdown stopping spread, and the degree to which it did, is a completely valid one. The data hasn't proven anything in regards to the shutdown's effectiveness. There are a bunch of places that did little to nothing and didn't experience anything differently.

 

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Thanks for proving my point quite well.

 

Sorry, I consider laughing at someone (implying them to be stupid) to be judging them.

 

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Chuckling at someone doing a silly thing implies they're stupid? You're on a straw man roll!

 

That really is quite a reach. People do all kind of things when they're scared, that doesn't make all of them, or any of them, stupid. Let's stick to things I actually say and not your wide interpretations.

 

I'm also confused as to how I "proved your point."

 

You're here saying that "nobody is saying that," yet a week ago, you said that you "can't converse with these people," and just "shake your head and walk away."

 

Please do explain that point proving thing though. It really doesn't sense to me.

[PeaveyFury]

I did, but remember that in the beginning of this they were turning away people from testing who were not gravely ill. They've changed the pool of who they're testing a bunch of times. The only thing we can say with certainty right now is that the death rate was horribly inaccurate. We went from 4%, to people here saying they didn't see it dropping below 1%, to .2% being a distinct possibility.

 

The data shows a 14-day trend line, which encompasses most of the 're-open' period for most states, including Wisconsin, not over the life of the pandemic.

 

Per capita positive tests should be declining with increased testing, not declining. That it's going the opposite says one of two things- that either 1)The positive rate is actually going up, which is bad; or 2)That the states aren't properly testing, which is also bad.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Saw subsequent posts trying to cling to deathrate now to prove you've been right along. This has never been about deathrate,

 

Think you should go backwards in this thread a bit. I was very wrong. Just not the way you think. I was all for every lockdown. I was scared. You can go to the first few pages to see that. In the face of reality I changed my thoughts.

 

And yeah, sorry, this was about "death rate." The 4% figure is what scared everybody, and made us have to flatten the curve. We did that and the mission changed.

[tmwiese55]

 

That was not mentioned on this topic at all. It was about people wearing a mask while outdoors jogging exercising etc. So, essentially you've just stereotyped that a person wearing a mask is now a judgy jerk in this. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? I mean, in this specific example in the thread it was a poster doing it to the mask wearer and your first response it to say the mask wearer is actually the judgy one rather than the guy, you know, judging and making fun of the mask wearer.

 

I fully agree anyone freaking out and creating a confrontation are over the line. Whoever posted the youtube video of that example confrontation a page or two back is spot on. Confronting and judging on either side of it helps in no way.

 

Also, I have no idea how you're not seeing a large faction ripping on the hysteria of corona. This is out there, heck essentially an entire faction of the media is dedicated to it. You had mass protest all over the country for it. Or do you not have any ties or interaction with more rural parts of the state? That is essentially all a huge portion of them have been saying since mid February. And of course in today's world no matter what new info presents itself, they'll never admit they've been wrong.

 

My point was essentially, all the guy jogging or going to the grocery store with the mask is doing is being overly cautious with the goal of maybe helping you. And you're ripping him for it. The guys piled into bars screaming Sweet Caroline into each other's faces are actively choosing to increase your risk. I'm not saying they can't live their lives, it's their choice and we're all gonna have to live again at some point. But if one insists on laughing/judging like this poster was doing which one would warrant "laughing at" in terms of their ignorance and stupidity? The one trying to help(however minimally it might be), or the one intentionally increasing the risk(however minimally it might be)?

 

Ok, first off, I wasn't isolating that to this topic. I'm saying in general, in public, the sentiment that's now finally fading, is that anyone questioning this was a loon, a fan of he will not be named, etc. TRUST SCIENCE, FLATTEN THE CURVE. I thought my post spelled that out rather clearly literally using the phrase 'in public' and mentioning social media.

 

That has only recently started to turn. In fact, BF.net is the only place I visit where the dissenting conversation was even allowed to take place. You can't do it anywhere but small pockets on Reddit, Facebook and Twitter are no-gos unless you want to be screamed at, and I live in rural WI, so no, I'm not "turned off" to the rural parts of the state. In my community, it was not taken as seriously, however as soon as you engage any kind of mass media, the world was ending for about 6 weeks.

 

And actually, the premise of what you're saying here is built on a straw man. The poster said they would chuckle at a person in a mask riding a bike down a country road. They did not say it "bothered" them, which is what the replying poster said. Nor did they judge them. They said they'd chuckle. For wearing a mask on a bike ride or jog, not for wearing a mask, which is what you indicated above.

 

You're mish-mashing a bunch of significant distinguishing details there.

 

Last, reconciling "nobody's saying that" with this viewtopic.php?p=1300619#p1300619 is quite hypocritical. The debate over the shutdown stopping spread, and the degree to which it did, is a completely valid one. The data hasn't proven anything in regards to the shutdown's effectiveness. There are a bunch of places that did little to nothing and didn't experience anything differently.

 

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Thanks for proving my point quite well.

 

Sorry, I consider laughing at someone (implying them to be stupid) to be judging them.

 

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Chuckling at someone doing a silly thing implies they're stupid? You're on a straw man roll!

 

That really is quite a reach. People do all kind of things when they're scared, that doesn't make all of them, or any of them, stupid. Let's stick to things I actually say and not your wide interpretations.

 

I'm also confused as to how I "proved your point."

 

You're here saying that "nobody is saying that," yet a week ago, you said that you "can't converse with these people," and just "shake your head and walk away."

 

Please do explain that point proving thing though. It really doesn't sense to me.

 

 

You've proven that one cannot converse with people so dug in on all this and are determined they're still right no matter what happens. To my quote a week ago, yea that's being proven here too. I made one simple point that frankly shouldn't be arguable. If you're going to laugh at someone, it's probably best to laugh at the ones knowingly increases the odds, not the one just doing his best to help. somehow, you're arguing that point.

 

Also, please continue saying strawman. It's a solid argument. One of the strongest i've seen over the years when you have no real counter.

[tmwiese55]

Saw subsequent posts trying to cling to deathrate now to prove you've been right along. This has never been about deathrate,

 

Think you should go backwards in this thread a bit. I was very wrong. Just not the way you think. I was all for every lockdown. I was scared. You can go to the first few pages to see that. In the face of reality I changed my thoughts.

 

OK. So 100K people have died and that's changed your mind to think it's not a big deal. Okey dokey, if you say so.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Once again...I haven't held this position "all along."

 

Let's recap: You called out hypocrisy and accuse people of digging in their heels.

 

You make a highly debatable claim that the lockdowns made a significant difference. Something many scientists are actively arguing over.

 

You then say that you can't have a conversation with people who argue that point.

 

You then claim that a poster judged people for wearing a mask - a straw man - a claim nobody made. You left out the significant detail that they specified wearing a mask on a bike ride/jog down a country road.

 

Sorry, that was a strawman. You countered an argument nobody made.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Saw subsequent posts trying to cling to deathrate now to prove you've been right along. This has never been about deathrate,

 

Think you should go backwards in this thread a bit. I was very wrong. Just not the way you think. I was all for every lockdown. I was scared. You can go to the first few pages to see that. In the face of reality I changed my thoughts.

 

OK. So 100K people have died and that's changed your mind to think it's not a big deal. Okey dokey, if you say so.

 

Death rate flirting with 1/8 of the projections, most likely even less than that, and fatalities almost entirely tied to very old people or very sick people, combined with basically no evidence that children transmit, and numerous parts of the world taking far less restrictive measures, led me to believe that, yes, we probably overshot on all the safety measures, healthy people should have had far less restrictions, school should have and reopened, and we probably did a lot of unnecessary harm to the health of our state and nation, financially and psychologically.

 

Now, that was fine, because we didn't know. I can give a complete pass on that. For a month. Not into May.

[tmwiese55]

Sorry, that is exactly what the person was doing in this thread.

 

Also, my comment on the "can't have a conversation" was not related that point on masks. it was made a weekish back on the crazy ideas spewed acting like all this is overblown bs. I also specifically said it was jogging people. Someone saying they laugh at masks does not automatically put them in the 'this is all overblown' type camp. Sooo, who's strawmanning now?

 

It is not debatable that lockdowns helped slow the spread.

 

You are proving every reason why I have avoided this topic. Thanks and good bye.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

 

It is not debatable that lockdowns helped slow the spread.

 

It completely is. Saying this and running away doesn't make it a fact, no matter how many people like to argue this way these days.

[tmwiese55]

I will not argue with you on whether a communicable disease that is transferred person to person will have a reduction in spread if person to person contact is reduced.

 

You're a good poster overall. If it's true you haven't held the 'this is all overhyped bs' view from the start I suggest taking a step back and taking a breath. You're going down the wrong wormhole of information. I'd guess just too much time on our hands now leads to too much digging. Remember you just picked a fight with someone for essentially saying "dude, maybe we shouldn't make fun of or laugh at people that are just trying to help at a crazy time". Perhaps thats a good point to think maybe one is going down the wrong road.

[superfly]

I will not argue with you on whether a communicable disease that is transferred person to person will have a reduction in spread if person to person contact is reduced.

 

You're a good poster overall. If it's true you haven't held the 'this is all overhyped bs' view from the start I suggest taking a step back and taking a breath. You're going down the wrong wormhole of information. I'd guess just too much time on our hands now leads to too much digging. Remember you just picked a fight with someone for essentially saying "dude, maybe we shouldn't make fun of or laugh at people that are just trying to help at a crazy time". Perhaps thats a good point to think maybe one is going down the wrong road.

 

Man did I create the outrage over saying i chuckle to myself over something so simple as what I said. I didn’t hurt anybody, I didn’t hurt feelings, I didn’t call anyone a racist, and we have a page and a half?

 

Jesus y’all are wound tight. Do you ever laugh...at anything in life? I’m sorry if I offended but I’ve been quite offended over the reaction to this for 2 months after seeing it clearly wasn’t what we thought it was. So I guess we’re even.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I will not argue with you on whether a communicable disease that is transferred person to person will have a reduction in spread if person to person contact is reduced.

 

You're a good poster overall. If it's true you haven't held the 'this is all overhyped bs' view from the start I suggest taking a step back and taking a breath. You're going down the wrong wormhole of information. I'd guess just too much time on our hands now leads to too much digging. Remember you just picked a fight with someone for essentially saying "dude, maybe we shouldn't make fun of or laugh at people that are just trying to help at a crazy time". Perhaps thats a good point to think maybe one is going down the wrong road.

 

We're arguing two different things. If everyone sits at home and the entire population remains inside then obviously the virus has nowhere to go.

 

But that's not quite the same as saying the lockdown measures worked, because 1) 100% compliance isn't possible. 2) The degree to which people complied is all but impossible to quantify. 3) It's even harder to quantify the economic cost. 4) A bunch of places used various levels of them with very similar results.

 

My main objection is that this isn't about death rate. Of course it is, c'mon. That was the whole deal. We got that way wrong. It started become obvious that we were. So that should have been the time to reevaluate, not double down.

 

As a society we argue all the time about things that have much more concrete data than this, which has been very much touch and go the entire time. So to say the lockdown measures made this better and it's not debatable? I just can't get on that train.

 

One of the arguments posed early on was that it wouldn't actually SAVE lives (which someone can correct me but I believe that's born out), but it would delay death enough to give hospitals a breather. Once we miscalculated the death rate, it started to look like we really overshot on safety and the hospitals wouldn't have been that taxed on a national level in the first place.

 

Again though, I'm ok with that. It's forgiveable to get it wrong as you're basically guessing. But at some point it's time reevaluate. Not change the goal from flatten the curve to vaccine.

[LouisEly]

OK, so anything else that might change forever?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

OK, so anything else that might change forever?

 

Got Tball rules. No snacks (more than ok with this) no high fives, no sportsmanship lineup, only 3 in dugout, 6 feet at all times, etc etc. Bleachers removed.

 

It's completely unenforceable.

[Machu Peach]

I honestly don't see anything major changing forever. This isn't the first pandemic, nor the worst pandemic. There's nothing particularly novel about COVID19 itself. I think the reasons this 'feels' different is 1) it's arguably the first true pandemic in living memory for most people, 2) numbers are publicly available in realtime, 3) social media allows everyone to publicly comment their opinions on outbreak modeling and the efficacy of mitigation efforts. There are certainly things I would like to change, but I have little hope that they actually will.