2020 NFL Draft Rounds 2,3 Discussion

[JosephC]

Would it really be that nuts at this point to trade Rodgers for a massive haul, sign Jameis Winston to a 2 year deal and move forward?

 

I mean honestly, why not at this point?

This was a good one.

 

Instead of just giggling, why not explain why you think that would be a bad idea?

 

They obviously drafted Love to be the QB of the future.

 

Aaron's play has clearly slipped the last few years.

 

They're probably looking at a 2-3 year window with Rodgers now before they'd either have to turn to Love or trade him.

 

If Rodgers wanted out and you got massive offers for him now, why wouldn't it be worth considering?

 

I would never completely dismiss anything that gets thrown out there on a message board. There have just been so many thing "that could never happen" that ended up happening that I don't know if anything would be too far-fetched.

 

However, the salary cap rules pretty much rule out Rodgers getting traded this off-season. If he's on the team, it counts 21.6 million against the cap. If he's moved off the team, the cap hit is 51.1 million dollars. So it actually costs the Packers roughly 29.5 million in cap room to trade him. The following year, his cap number is 36.3 million and the dead money if moved is 31.5 million, so trading him would come with a huge cap hit but would actually make another 4.8 million available. So if Love looks world-class in practice this year, we can re-visit this subject next year when there is more of a possibility that it could happen.

[adambr2]

No reason to really go into it. It’s not going to happen. I think you know why it’s pretty silly. You’re looking to bait a debate on their draft because you’re not happy. It’ll be okay.

 

No, I actually was just seriously spitballing it. I'm not afraid to debate unconventional strategies that may seem extreme if the long-term payoff is possible. I do realize it has very little chance of happening, but I don't mind discussing hypotheticals that seem unlikely. I'm sure the chance of Brett Favre being traded sounded nuts to most back in 2005.

 

But if you'd rather just roll out the emojis and laugh and tell me what you think I'm doing rather than productively respond to the question, that's fine. You do you.

 

I guess I should’ve just responded a productive “yes” to your original post and you wouldn’t be all twisted up right now.

 

Nah, I'm good. I just don't know why people have a tendency at times to laugh in the face of anything that goes against the grain. It's sports. Crazy things happen and sometimes crazy things even work out for the best. I think it's okay to think outside the box sometimes.

[wildcat83]

I really like the Ravens draft

[adambr2]

Joseph, well put. I agree that salary cap constraints would completely prevent Rodgers from getting traded now given that info ...

 

I do think in 2 years it could be a different conversation.

[Oxy]

I'm guessing they've got a lot of guys rated higher than other teams so this is going to be the norm (see Darnell Savage)....It's not like any of us have done anything other than read too much crap from online draftniks who rank these guys according to who knows what. They all read each other as well and kind of come up with a "consensus" rating which does very little other than drive fans like us nuts who read too much of it and just assume that the Packer Scouts and brass are a part of that consensus.

 

Obviously, they are NOT a part of that consensus. Hopefully they are right.

[pacopete4]

Joseph, well put. I agree that salary cap constraints would completely prevent Rodgers from getting traded now given that info ...

 

I do think in 2 years it could be a different conversation.

 

 

This is a big reason I laughed. I figured you would have known he’s untradeable. Just a lot of overreacting all over the place in Packer world and people buying into those 13 wins a season ago pretty hard.

[sveumrules]

Nah, I'm good. I just don't know why people have a tendency at times to laugh in the face of anything that goes against the grain. It's sports. Crazy things happen and sometimes crazy things even work out for the best. I think it's okay to think outside the box sometimes.

 

Yes, it is okay to think out of the box sometimes.

 

Gute seems to be doing just that with his picks so far.

 

Fans seem to be overwhelmingly NOT OK with it.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I hope Rodgers retires. A RB? Take the ball out his hands even more. Tanking. Thats the only explanation. Gute is done with the Rodgers' era and hes drafting a team so he build around Love 4years from now. 3picks. Zero 2020 starters.

 

Hyperbole much?

 

Dillon is a tremendous athlete. Jones, Dillon and Williams will make a fun 3-headed RB monster. Heard rumors this offseason that the Packers wanted to update the backfield.

 

Dillon is a load, though. Jones has the wiggle, and Dillon is going to bring the thunder.

 

I'll give you credit, you will accept any crap for the team you root for. Gay, Chin, Wilson better picks than this guy. Somebody ranked as a late 3rd early 4th. We have a RB who led the NFL in TDs and youre fine with a 2nd round selection of one? Jones was a 5th round pick. REAAAAACHHHH

 

Oh give it a rest. You'll be Dillon's biggest fan when he's tearing through the Bears defense next fall.

 

Also, as you can see by Mel's big board, draftnik rankings are far from the be all, end all of player value.

 

Lafleur wants the Packers to be a running team. He wanted a horse. Jones is great, but he isn't a guy you can hand the ball to 30 times a game. He's also fought several injuries in his career. Dillon is a MUCH more talented player than Williams, and I love what Jamal Williams brings. I certainly wouldn't have gone RB there, but it is a pick that makes some sense.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Nah, I'm good. I just don't know why people have a tendency at times to laugh in the face of anything that goes against the grain. It's sports. Crazy things happen and sometimes crazy things even work out for the best. I think it's okay to think outside the box sometimes.

 

Yes, it is okay to think out of the box sometimes.

 

Gute seems to be doing just that with his picks so far.

 

Fans seem to be overwhelmingly NOT OK with it.

 

And fans are mostly idiots when it comes to immediate draft grades.

[Oxy]

 

This is a big reason I laughed. I figured you would have known he’s untradeable. Just a lot of overreacting all over the place in Packer world and people buying into those 13 wins a season ago pretty hard.

 

It's not just the wins....it's more that the two best players on the team before yesterday was our QB and our RB....and we just drafted a QB and a RB in the first 2 rounds.

 

Also, it's kinda tough to play 2 QBs and RBs at the same time, so that makes it even more odd.

[brewcrewdue80]

I figured it out. Gutekunst thinks hes in a dynasty fantasy draft. No clue this is for the 2020 season.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

This is a big reason I laughed. I figured you would have known he’s untradeable. Just a lot of overreacting all over the place in Packer world and people buying into those 13 wins a season ago pretty hard.

 

It's not just the wins....it's more that the two best players on the team before yesterday was our QB and our RB....and we just drafted a QB and a RB in the first 2 rounds.

 

Also, it's kinda tough to play 2 QBs and RBs at the same time, so that makes it even more odd.

 

There is definitely room for multiple RBs in today's NFL. The 49ers just rode that recipe to the Super Bowl.

[adambr2]

Nah, I'm good. I just don't know why people have a tendency at times to laugh in the face of anything that goes against the grain. It's sports. Crazy things happen and sometimes crazy things even work out for the best. I think it's okay to think outside the box sometimes.

 

Yes, it is okay to think out of the box sometimes.

 

Gute seems to be doing just that with his picks so far.

 

Fans seem to be overwhelmingly NOT OK with it.

 

It's not what I would have done. I would have probably been more active in free agency, maybe tried to swing a trade for OJ Howard, and tried to build for now. They were close but yet a long ways away last year, if that makes any sense. So if they were going to go for it, some big moves were in order.

 

I understand going this direction, though. It sucks for right now because it seems like we're taking 2 steps back to take 3 forward later. Barring Rodgers just having a major career resurgence and playing like an MVP, it's tough to see him reaching another Super Bowl here.

 

But I do understand Gute's responsibility to balance the long-term needs of the franchise with the short-term.

[adambr2]

 

This is a big reason I laughed. I figured you would have known he’s untradeable. Just a lot of overreacting all over the place in Packer world and people buying into those 13 wins a season ago pretty hard.

 

It's not just the wins....it's more that the two best players on the team before yesterday was our QB and our RB....and we just drafted a QB and a RB in the first 2 rounds.

 

Also, it's kinda tough to play 2 QBs and RBs at the same time, so that makes it even more odd.

 

There is definitely room for multiple RBs in today's NFL. The 49ers just rode that recipe to the Super Bowl.

 

I think they rode that offensive line into the Super Bowl. There's nothing particularly special about Mostert, Coleman or Breida. Small trucks could have been driven through some of those holes in the NFC Championship Game.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I'd still like a WR at the end of round 3, but at this point, is there any point in trying to choose who they will go with? They'll probably take a safety or edge rusher because they don't need a safety or edge rusher.

 

I have to admit that it is a little disconcerting that arguably the team's biggest need is WR, yet they haven't grabbed one in what might be the most talented and deepest WR class in history. Fortunately there are still a bunch of very talented receivers still available.

[Yount19]

so for our next pick, maybe OT Charles out of LSU or WR People-Jones from Michigan? Both have a RAS of 9...

[Oxy]

 

I think they rode that offensive line into the Super Bowl. There's nothing particularly special about Mostert, Coleman or Breida. Small trucks could have been driven through some of those holes in the NFC Championship Game.

 

Bingo. Reaching for a RB that isn't really needed is really weird in today's NFL.

[adambr2]

MLF likes to run the ball. If he's another Eddie Lacy, it's not a bad pick at all.

 

I think what this means is that Bakh and Clark will be resigned come hell or high water and they are letting the others (Jones, King, Linsley, etc.) walk.

 

So expect a CB or center to be drafted next.

 

Lacy didn't have near the athletic profile Dillon does. Dillon is more a Derrick Henry/Eddie George type.

 

I think there's some recency bias here. Lacy was considered the best running back by most pundits in the 2013 draft. He was considered a pretty well rounded prospect who could block, catch and run fairly well for a guy his size.

 

I don't think it's accurate to downplay Lacy now while comparing Dillon, who was considered more of a Day 3 prospect until shooting up draft boards quite recently, to the best running back in the NFL.

[Oxy]

This will make more sense when they sign Antonio Brown, trade for OBJ, and Joe Thomas comes out of retirement to play for the hometown team. Maybe Travis Frederick and Chris Borland too.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

MLF likes to run the ball. If he's another Eddie Lacy, it's not a bad pick at all.

 

I think what this means is that Bakh and Clark will be resigned come hell or high water and they are letting the others (Jones, King, Linsley, etc.) walk.

 

So expect a CB or center to be drafted next.

 

Lacy didn't have near the athletic profile Dillon does. Dillon is more a Derrick Henry/Eddie George type.

 

I think there's some recency bias here. Lacy was considered the best running back by most pundits in the 2013 draft. He was considered a pretty well rounded prospect who could block, catch and run fairly well for a guy his size.

 

I don't think it's accurate to downplay Lacy now while comparing Dillon, who was considered more of a Day 3 prospect until shooting up draft boards quite recently, to the best running back in the NFL.

 

I'll stand by it. Lacy was considered one of the top backs in that draft. But he was always considered a banger with good hands. His athletic profile was never high, which is why he lasted till the 2nd round, and it went downhill as he ate himself out of the league.

[brewcrewdue80]

Ill add the next pick is very obvious a OL. Continue building a roster for Love.

[Mr Southpaw]

There goes the Packers pick... Bowden

[Oxy]

Looking ahead to the next pick, I'd go with a Tackle. Niang, Wonogho, Charles, Bartsch, Peart. Lynn Bowden woulda been fun too, but he gone.

[Mr Southpaw]

And Edwards

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

There goes the Packers pick... Bowden

 

He is fun. But I don't know. Packers don't seem to like those type of guys. It will be interesting to see how they decide to use Tyler Ervin this year. Similar type of skill set.