COVID-19 Thread

[jjfanec]

Maybe it is just me, but legislation should have been working on something so the court ruling was irrelevant. It was kind of a given the court would rule in favor of dumping the order and Evers said he was willing to work with legislation if it got thrown out.

 

Legislation likely comes to agreement on something, but now there is is a lapse of time between the order being shot down and whatever they decide taking into effect. They shouldn’t be scrambling now to figure something out. They have had weeks to prepare for this moment.

 

Now all the idiots are piling into bars tonight.

100 percent agree. This is a complete trainwreck of governing. I am probably more on the cautious side of this debate but I get the arguments on re-opening. But this isn't how it should be done. No regulations of any kind is foolish. The states that have re-opened had plans in place. They kept occupancy down in restaurants and bars. Instead Wisconsin lets everything just restart. The Republicans asked for a 6 day stay that would have at least given some time. No idea why the supreme Court struck that down too

[LouisEly]

Question for everyone. Say a vaccine is developed within 6 months. How long until you are willing to take it? Have your kids take it? I am not an anti-vaxx person, but it makes me nervous taking a rushed vaccine. Am I overthinking it?

The technological innovations of just the last five years, particularly with respect to artificial intelligence and data analysis, have come so far that a relatively safe, effective vaccine will likely be available in record time.

 

That being said, it depends on the data. I'm not anti-vaxx by any stretch, but I have none of the risk factors identified by the CDC that put me at risk for serious infections. I support my immune system with vitamins including vitamin D-3 and vitamin C and take a green powder supplement to help alkalize my body. I can't remember the last time I've had the flu, and I can count on one hand the number of times I've had a cold the last 12 or so years. The flu vaccine is only effective 45% of the time. I never get a flu vaccine because if it isn't effective half of the time, and if I never get the flu anyway, I'm just costing the healthcare system money for no benefit. I'll wait and let the at-risk people get first crack and then if there is leftover stock sitting around then I might get one.

 

If they say you have to get one to do certain things (go back to work, take a flight, etc.), then I'll go get one. But I need to see really compelling data to get one voluntarily.

[FVBrewerFan]

Maybe it is just me, but legislation should have been working on something so the court ruling was irrelevant. It was kind of a given the court would rule in favor of dumping the order and Evers said he was willing to work with legislation if it got thrown out.

 

Legislation likely comes to agreement on something, but now there is is a lapse of time between the order being shot down and whatever they decide taking into effect. They shouldn’t be scrambling now to figure something out. They have had weeks to prepare for this moment.

 

Now all the idiots are piling into bars tonight.

100 percent agree. This is a complete trainwreck of governing. I am probably more on the cautious side of this debate but I get the arguments on re-opening. But this isn't how it should be done. No regulations of any kind is foolish. The states that have re-opened had plans in place. They kept occupancy down in restaurants and bars. Instead Wisconsin lets everything just restart. The Republicans asked for a 6 day stay that would have at least given some time. No idea why the supreme Court struck that down too

 

Yea, they can still pass a bill tomorrow to extend it 6 days, we'll see if that happens. Not really the court's place to get involved in that part of it.

[RobertR]

I'm not convinced the GOP has any consensus on what to do going forward. We'll see. Whatever the case, the current status quo can't hold.

[jjfanec]

Maybe it is just me, but legislation should have been working on something so the court ruling was irrelevant. It was kind of a given the court would rule in favor of dumping the order and Evers said he was willing to work with legislation if it got thrown out.

 

Legislation likely comes to agreement on something, but now there is is a lapse of time between the order being shot down and whatever they decide taking into effect. They shouldn’t be scrambling now to figure something out. They have had weeks to prepare for this moment.

 

Now all the idiots are piling into bars tonight.

100 percent agree. This is a complete trainwreck of governing. I am probably more on the cautious side of this debate but I get the arguments on re-opening. But this isn't how it should be done. No regulations of any kind is foolish. The states that have re-opened had plans in place. They kept occupancy down in restaurants and bars. Instead Wisconsin lets everything just restart. The Republicans asked for a 6 day stay that would have at least given some time. No idea why the supreme Court struck that down too

 

Yea, they can still pass a bill tomorrow to extend it 6 days, we'll see if that happens. Not really the court's place to get involved in that part of it.

 

They can but not having that in place right away was foolish. It is like the gop thought that was a given. Every quote they had was that it would get reversed by the court and they would have a plan to reopen slowly. Instead we have a free for all around me right now. Bars opened up all over around me and I am right near Milwaukee. That is not a wise way to do this

[jjfanec]

I'm not convinced the GOP has any consensus on what to do going forward. We'll see. Whatever the case, the current status quo can't hold.

 

The talk from the top was reopen up but slowly and with regulations. Some in the party did say open everything but most was a slow roll out. But it seems like they thought the 6 day stay was a given. Now counties and cities will make their own rules

[stalton]

The city of Racine has passed a "Turn the dial" amendment essentially mimicking the safer at home order.

[pacopete4]

I hate that my state has become an embarrassment over the last decade or so. Just stupid decision after stupid decision leading to the one we have going on right now. The same people that complained to open it up will be the same blaming the government that people are dying in a few months if there’s another outbreak due to the stupidity that has already went on in the last 12 hours and that will continue to happen with no real plan in place.

[jjfanec]

I hate that my state has become an embarrassment over the last decade or so. Just stupid decision after stupid decision leading to the one we have going on right now. The same people that complained to open it up will be the same blaming the government that people are dying in a few months if there’s another outbreak due to the stupidity that has already went on in the last 12 hours and that will continue to happen with no real plan in place.

 

This. I just moved back to the Milwaukee area. Last night bars around me were at double capacity according to people who went out. Simply put this was the worst possible way to reopen. I think the time to slowly reopen had come. I think Wisconsin would and could have followed a similar plan that Minnesota rolled out yesterday allowing gatherings of 10 or less and reopening most businesses June 1st with regulations on occupancy and other things. That would have been sensible. Instead everything immediately opens up leaving businesses with bad choices and city and local governments with the task of trying to put restrictions back in place after they were temporarily lifted. The cities of Milwaukee and Racine have already stated they were putting restrictions back but bars were already full and now the animosity and anger of the people will turn to local governments who "took away their freedom" that they had just received. There was a better way to do this but partisan politics decided to run the show

[SoCalBrewfan]

In related news, state license plates will now include the new slogan

 

Wisconsin: Hold My Beer.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

This all seems like a bit of an overreaction. What kind of person do you think was rushing to the pub on Wednesday night in Sheboygan? Probably someone who didn't have a lot of respect for the order in the first place. Honestly, think Evers should have just relented on the non-major cities himself to save a bit of face on a ruling he was bound to lose anyway.

 

This is like the 8th time I've mentioned Home Depot. But anyone who's been to one recently wouldn't be too concerned with a few townie pubs opening doors.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I wonder how many newly reopened bars and restaurants are going to have difficulty getting their employees to come back? With the extra $600 weekly in unemployment, many of those individuals are making more now than they did working 40+ hours a week.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I wonder how many newly reopened bars and restaurants are going to have difficulty getting their employees to come back? With the extra $600 weekly in unemployment, many of those individuals are making more now than they did working 40+ hours a week.

 

Probably won't affect much since it is a very short-term thing and those kinds of jobs are revolving doors that won't stay open for someone that decides to sit around for 4 months when offered their job back. I suppose if you truly hated your job and could find another one just like it, then yeah, probably.

[stoutdude04]

This all seems like a bit of an overreaction. What kind of person do you think was rushing to the pub on Wednesday night in Sheboygan? Probably someone who didn't have a lot of respect for the order in the first place. Honestly, think Evers should have just relented on the non-major cities himself to save a bit of face on a ruling he was bound to lose anyway.

 

This is like the 8th time I've mentioned Home Depot. But anyone who's been to one recently wouldn't be too concerned with a few townie pubs opening doors.

 

I had a buddy send me a picture from a bar in Fondy last night. Follows all the orders and agrees with them. Said he needed to get some time away from his wife. Said they were at each others necks.

[stoutdude04]

I wonder how many newly reopened bars and restaurants are going to have difficulty getting their employees to come back? With the extra $600 weekly in unemployment, many of those individuals are making more now than they did working 40+ hours a week.

 

How does this work exactly? Business says they are opening back up...are you allowed to say, nah and just keep collecting? Do you stop getting government assistance since it's open now? I really have no idea how any of the unemployment stuff works.

[MrTPlush]

I wonder how many newly reopened bars and restaurants are going to have difficulty getting their employees to come back? With the extra $600 weekly in unemployment, many of those individuals are making more now than they did working 40+ hours a week.

 

How does this work exactly? Business says they are opening back up...are you allowed to say, nah and just keep collecting? Do you stop getting government assistance since it's open now? I really have no idea how any of the unemployment stuff works.

 

I believe it is set up where the businesses are suppose to report you if you are offered your job back and decline. This of course specifically for the COVID furlough frenzy.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

This all seems like a bit of an overreaction. What kind of person do you think was rushing to the pub on Wednesday night in Sheboygan? Probably someone who didn't have a lot of respect for the order in the first place. Honestly, think Evers should have just relented on the non-major cities himself to save a bit of face on a ruling he was bound to lose anyway.

 

This is like the 8th time I've mentioned Home Depot. But anyone who's been to one recently wouldn't be too concerned with a few townie pubs opening doors.

 

I had a buddy send me a picture from a bar in Fondy last night. Follows all the orders and agrees with them. Said he needed to get some time away from his wife. Said they were at each others necks.

 

Seems like a different issue here and probably not the norm...Weird logic as well. Follows and "agrees" with the orders, goes to a bar within minutes of them being struck down.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I wonder how many newly reopened bars and restaurants are going to have difficulty getting their employees to come back? With the extra $600 weekly in unemployment, many of those individuals are making more now than they did working 40+ hours a week.

 

How does this work exactly? Business says they are opening back up...are you allowed to say, nah and just keep collecting? Do you stop getting government assistance since it's open now? I really have no idea how any of the unemployment stuff works.

 

This was part of the back and forth a couple months ago when the legislation was working it's way through congress...was poo-pooed at the time for being a non-issue compared to having to get something passed ASAP. As far as I can tell, businesses can't force former employees collecting unemployment to come back to work - and for some of these lower income/tip-reliant positions it probably makes more sense for the individual to keep collecting more lucrative unemployment for awhile longer until bars/restaurants resume operations with more patrons. Those service industry jobs are going to be slow to fully return, so initially it's not going to be a huge issue for people to lean on unemployment because the jobs aren't all instantly available...it would have been a better idea to phase out the extra $600 weekly unemployment payments pledged by the CARES act over time starting in June and having them back to normal unemployment payments by August, IMO. The current 'Phase 5', or whatever the heck bill they are calling it sort of working its way through the House is asking for those extra unemployment benefits to carry well into next year - which is nuts. I doubt that really gets sustained traction, because it really is a disincentive to get back to work over the long term.

 

Edit: If what Mr. TPlush indicated above is accurate, that makes sense, too if it would trigger the individual losing that extra $600 weekly amount should they opt to decline going back to work.

 

However, as OldSchoolSnapper mentioned, those jobs that do come open will still get filled - there are alot of people who don't have a job and who aren't currently receiving these unemployment benefits that will gobble those positions up. Young adults just out of college (either via graduation or needing to pause their schooling due to financial complications back home) will be looking for income anywhere they can get it in the short term. So the people who willingly collect the extended unemployment benefits might have alot more trouble finding similar work if they are slow to want to rejoin the work force - which means increased welfare unfortunately. This will be a long recovery...

[FVBrewerFan]

This all seems like a bit of an overreaction. What kind of person do you think was rushing to the pub on Wednesday night in Sheboygan? Probably someone who didn't have a lot of respect for the order in the first place. Honestly, think Evers should have just relented on the non-major cities himself to save a bit of face on a ruling he was bound to lose anyway.

 

This is like the 8th time I've mentioned Home Depot. But anyone who's been to one recently wouldn't be too concerned with a few townie pubs opening doors.

 

Yea, I drove past a few bars near me in Waukesha County last night, they were all still closed. I would bet most places weren't prepared to open this suddenly. Also, there's a lot of places that will wait until there's more clarity on all this.

[stoutdude04]

This all seems like a bit of an overreaction. What kind of person do you think was rushing to the pub on Wednesday night in Sheboygan? Probably someone who didn't have a lot of respect for the order in the first place. Honestly, think Evers should have just relented on the non-major cities himself to save a bit of face on a ruling he was bound to lose anyway.

 

This is like the 8th time I've mentioned Home Depot. But anyone who's been to one recently wouldn't be too concerned with a few townie pubs opening doors.

 

I had a buddy send me a picture from a bar in Fondy last night. Follows all the orders and agrees with them. Said he needed to get some time away from his wife. Said they were at each others necks.

 

Seems like a different issue here and probably not the norm...Weird logic as well. Follows and "agrees" with the orders, goes to a bar within minutes of them being struck down.

 

Yea. Weird. Just pointing out that not 'everyone' disagrees with the orders.

[MrTPlush]

The $600 isn’t forever either. I think it only lasts through June or July...so I’m not sure it is really worth declining your job back for some short term gains. I know the proposed $3 trillion stimulus includes another extension of that $600, but I really really doubt that happens. Too many businesses will be opening up to feel that is necessary.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The $600 isn’t forever either. I think it only lasts through June or July...so I’m not sure it is really worth declining your job back for some short term gains. I know the proposed $3 trillion stimulus includes another extension of that $600, but I really really doubt that happens. Too many businesses will be opening up to feel that is necessary.

 

It isn't forever, but it's likely getting extended. During the last recession unemployment was extended for 99 weeks. Not an extra $600 for 99 weeks, but some form of unemployment steroids is all but assured.

[stoutdude04]

This all seems like a bit of an overreaction. What kind of person do you think was rushing to the pub on Wednesday night in Sheboygan? Probably someone who didn't have a lot of respect for the order in the first place. Honestly, think Evers should have just relented on the non-major cities himself to save a bit of face on a ruling he was bound to lose anyway.

 

This is like the 8th time I've mentioned Home Depot. But anyone who's been to one recently wouldn't be too concerned with a few townie pubs opening doors.

 

Yea, I drove past a few bars near me in Waukesha County last night, they were all still closed. I would bet most places weren't prepared to open this suddenly. Also, there's a lot of places that will wait until there's more clarity on all this.

 

A bat in our city opened up over the weekend. Basic ssid they were going broke otherwise and were willing to risk it. Saw pictures. Place was packed. Owner said they were going to practice social distance and such...yea, no. The Sherriff went to 'investigste', but he had already gone public saying he disagreed with the extension. It's just tough because there are so many mixed messages.

[jerichoholicninja]

Can we just go back to hating each other over pot, gay marriage, and guns?

[reillymcshane]

Can we just go back to hating each other over pot, gay marriage, and guns?

And we need baseball. So we can hate the Cubs and Cardinals.