COVID-19 Thread

[MrTPlush]

Irresponsible actions would be the people piling into the capital to protest with zero precautions.

 

As the election showed taking precautions and being smart kept people safe despite the number of people.

[Thurston Fluff]

The first person I personally know just died from Covid19. Not someone I knew of but one I knew well and considered a friend since the 80's. We were two of eight founding members of our highschool wrestling club in 1982. I coached his son and we always made time to talk to each other everytime we were at an event together. It's hard to think of him in his last days alone, suffering until he passed away. It sucks I can't even go to his funeral. Rest in peace Al. You deserved a better end.

[reillymcshane]

The first person I personally know just died from Covid19. Not someone I knew of but one I knew well and considered a friend since the 80's. We were two of eight founding members of our highschool wrestling club in 1982. I coached his son and we always made time to talk to each other everytime we were at an event together. It's hard to think of him in his last days alone, suffering until he passed away. It sucks I can't even go to his funeral. Rest in peace Al. You deserved a better end.

I know a few people who have gotten the virus. Only one was serious - but even then, he never had to be hospitalized.

 

My wife has two friends who have lost family members to the virus, but I personally don't know anyone who has passed away.

 

Sorry for your friend. Just sucks.

[wallus]

Let's just pretend that they started Phase 1 of re-opening things. How many people are going to still remain quarantined regardless because they are still worried about this?

 

I think this needs to be considered.

[stoutdude04]

Let's just pretend that they started Phase 1 of re-opening things. How many people are going to still remain quarantined regardless because they are still worried about this?

 

I think this needs to be considered.

 

I wouldnt do much. I would have a hard time staying away from the softball diamond or hockey rink though.

 

I wouldnt go to restaurants and that.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Let's just pretend that they started Phase 1 of re-opening things. How many people are going to still remain quarantined regardless because they are still worried about this?

 

I think this needs to be considered.

 

I wouldnt do much. I would have a hard time staying away from the softball diamond or hockey rink though.

 

I wouldnt go to restaurants and that.

 

Our softball league got cancelled for the year. Of course I would have been unable to play this year.

[stoutdude04]

Let's just pretend that they started Phase 1 of re-opening things. How many people are going to still remain quarantined regardless because they are still worried about this?

 

I think this needs to be considered.

 

I wouldnt do much. I would have a hard time staying away from the softball diamond or hockey rink though.

 

I wouldnt go to restaurants and that.

 

Our softball league got cancelled for the year. Of course I would have been unable to play this year.

 

Our league in town has said they are planning on having it. My issue will be the weekend tournaments. We usually play in 6-8 of those a summer too.

[pitchleague]

Thurston,

 

I am very sorry for your loss.

[JackNicholson1974]

Help me understand the implications of this headline:

 

“World Health Organization says getting COVID-19 May not prevent second infection.“

 

I understand all the “this is speculation, this isn’t peer reviewed, this isn’t this or that.” But if you take it for what it says - that one can continue to get the virus...doesn’t that imply that as a human race we are more or less screwed?

 

If true, I presume a second infection wouldn’t prevent a third and so on and so forth. Eventually we all will have it all the time non stop if it is contagious as it seems and we can’t become immune...no? Until we are all dead or eventually Kill ourselves out of the misery of constantly being sick.

 

What am I missing here?

[PeaveyFury]

Help me understand the implications of this headline:

 

“World Health Organization says getting COVID-19 May not prevent second infection.“

 

I understand all the “this is speculation, this isn’t peer reviewed, this isn’t this or that.” But if you take it for what it says - that one can continue to get the virus...doesn’t that imply that as a human race we are more or less screwed?

 

If true, I presume a second infection wouldn’t prevent a third and so on and so forth. Eventually we all will have it all the time non stop if it is contagious as it seems and we can’t become immune...no? Until we are all dead or eventually Kill ourselves out of the misery of constantly being sick.

 

What am I missing here?

 

There's a current theory that getting the asymptomatic kind of COVID-19 might not result in enough antibodies to prevent a second infection. There's obviously a ton of research that still needs to be done.

[folly412]

Help me understand the implications of this headline:

 

“World Health Organization says getting COVID-19 May not prevent second infection.“

 

I understand all the “this is speculation, this isn’t peer reviewed, this isn’t this or that.” But if you take it for what it says - that one can continue to get the virus...doesn’t that imply that as a human race we are more or less screwed?

 

If true, I presume a second infection wouldn’t prevent a third and so on and so forth. Eventually we all will have it all the time non stop if it is contagious as it seems and we can’t become immune...no? Until we are all dead or eventually Kill ourselves out of the misery of constantly being sick.

 

What am I missing here?

 

 

It could be a combination of evolving strains or a finite period of heightened antibodies.

 

Evolving strains would behave like the flu - a flu shot is good for some strains that year. Someone can get the flu one year, and the sequences of the virus are different enough the next year so they get essentially the same disease again.

 

Finite period of heightened antibodies would be in the way your doctor gives you a tetanus booster shot every few years (yes, that's bacterial, but same concept). The level of antibodies is reduced over time to the point where someone is now susceptible to the disease again.

 

In either case, it's unlikely there is a scenario where someone gets COVID-19, recovers, then a few weeks later gets it again. Would more likely be talking a year or years between infections.

[igor67]

I interpreted the news as, it is possible that more people than normally happens for other diseases don't have a robust response so handing out immunity cards as a policy is premature type statement. Combined with long term uncertainty about the viruses mutation rate and such, I think they are concerned that jumping into that type of policy risks not only lives later on, but could undermine confidence (they said I was immune!!). If I was handicapping odds for a viable vaccine and/or treatment this particular bit of news doesn't change really how I would set those odds or even the timetable.

[MrTPlush]

Basically they know little to nothing about the virus. There is nothing to really back up that you do or do not get immunity. If you do there isn’t much known of how long that could last.

[Thurston Fluff]

I've posited this question before but with the news that people may not be immune after getting it it's worth asking again; What happens if this virus acts more like a cold than the flu? That would mean there is no vaccine on the way and no possibility of herd immunity for the foreseeable future.

[stoutdude04]

I've posited this question before but with the news that people may not be immune after getting it it's worth asking again; What happens if this virus acts more like a cold than the flu? That would mean there is no vaccine on the way and no possibility of herd immunity for the foreseeable future.

 

This is where I'm at. I have this bad feeling that they wont be able to come up with a vaccine. Hopefully they figure out good treatment plans.

[igor67]

Thurston we don't have cold vaccine's primarily because there are too many different types of viruses. Realistically it would be more accurate to classify it into 7 or 8 different diseases all of which mutate somewhat rapidly enough to complicate vaccine development. The flu all belongs in the same category, but the way it reproduces means it can evolve by mixing and matching gene like Mr. Potato Head not just normal mutation. So the vaccines only apply to the flu on a short term basis.

 

It is fair to say our knowledge of the virus is very limited, it is also true in some sense that we do not have evidence about immunity and this virus. But we do have a lot of experience with disease and our immune system both of which indicate that some helpful level of immunity will develop in most people who get the disease. If it helps try and remember if you know anybody who had chickenpox twice? I've met a couple over the years, and frankly it sounds similar to the cases above where the person had a very very mild case the first time around, obviously didn't mount a full immune response and then caught it a second time.

[homer]

I've read reports that the severity of illness correlates to the amount of virus you are exposed to. If that's true then maybe level of immunity is tied to severity of your illness?

[nodakfan17]

JBS is FINALLY closing in Green Bay. They operated for at least 2 weeks with 100+ cases and as recently as yesterday with 300+ cases. What a horrible, horrible corporate citizen.

[adambr2]

Thurston we don't have cold vaccine's primarily because there are too many different types of viruses. Realistically it would be more accurate to classify it into 7 or 8 different diseases all of which mutate somewhat rapidly enough to complicate vaccine development. The flu all belongs in the same category, but the way it reproduces means it can evolve by mixing and matching gene like Mr. Potato Head not just normal mutation. So the vaccines only apply to the flu on a short term basis.

 

It is fair to say our knowledge of the virus is very limited, it is also true in some sense that we do not have evidence about immunity and this virus. But we do have a lot of experience with disease and our immune system both of which indicate that some helpful level of immunity will develop in most people who get the disease. If it helps try and remember if you know anybody who had chickenpox twice? I've met a couple over the years, and frankly it sounds similar to the cases above where the person had a very very mild case the first time around, obviously didn't mount a full immune response and then caught it a second time.

 

One problem these days is that people hear the WHO say something like, "there's no evidence that those who catch COVID-19 are immune from a second infection," and what half the population hears is, "I can get seriously ill from this virus, spend 2 weeks in the hospital, get better, test negative and get discharged on Wednesday and catch it again on Friday."

 

That almost certainly isn't the case.

[superfly]

Help me understand the implications of this headline:

 

“World Health Organization says getting COVID-19 May not prevent second infection.“

 

I understand all the “this is speculation, this isn’t peer reviewed, this isn’t this or that.” But if you take it for what it says - that one can continue to get the virus...doesn’t that imply that as a human race we are more or less screwed?

 

If true, I presume a second infection wouldn’t prevent a third and so on and so forth. Eventually we all will have it all the time non stop if it is contagious as it seems and we can’t become immune...no? Until we are all dead or eventually Kill ourselves out of the misery of constantly being sick.

 

What am I missing here?

 

I look at anything the WHO says as completely the opposite after seeing how they literally kissed the :&(‘es of China in January, and then seeing Tedros very suspect connections to them.

 

Take it for a grain of salt...it may not even be worth that much.

[reillymcshane]

I want to link to this article about testing in Wisconsin. We've (and especially myself) been talking about testing in the state - and I've been saying that the numbers thrown out are misleading - as the the numbers often cited are the highest test we can run IF we have all the supplies (swabs, reagents, etc.).

 

This article gives a more detailed understanding of this exact thing. And it's important, because people are saying things like 'we are only running 20% of the tests we are capable of' - as if we have the supplies and people just sitting around waiting to do more tests - but aren't. This is not true.

 

On April 20, the Wisconsin Dept. of Health Services reported we the ability of running 7,608 test - but ran only 1,433 - about 19% of the testing capacity.

 

To test, you need swabs, transport liquid (depending if the test is being shipped somewhere), protective gear, lab machinery and reagent. Without all of those thing, you can't test. And that's why we are only testing at 20% of capacity.

 

Now, those numbers are a week ago, so they are likely better. Maybe even much better. But getting a steady stream of supplies our testing facilities (as well as the places where we conduct the tests) is critical to this process. The quicker this can happen, the quicker our state can get back to something resembling normal.

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/24/wisconsin-republican-legislative-leaders/wisconsin-weeks-using-anywhere-near-listed-coronav/

[BrewCrewForever]

Let's just pretend that they started Phase 1 of re-opening things. How many people are going to still remain quarantined regardless because they are still worried about this?

 

I think this needs to be considered.

 

Yeah, I don't see myself and my family doing things much differently than we do now. I'll still be working from home. Won't be rushing out to restaurants and bars, still only go shopping one time a week and only one person doing it. Maybe see friends if it is just outside on a nice day still from a distance. But yeah, I won't be doing much different.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Let's just pretend that they started Phase 1 of re-opening things. How many people are going to still remain quarantined regardless because they are still worried about this?

 

I think this needs to be considered.

 

 

Good question. Multi-layered for me.

 

Before all this I ALREADY didn't like going places like Wal-Mart or Dollar Tree, where patrons seem to have a pointed lack of respect for others' personal space, and reach across others or stand within 1.2 centimeters of other people. There are times where we'd need to run to the store, and see a full parking lot and my wife would say "uhhhh, you stay in the car". GOOD CALL.

 

Also, I just had a heart cath, so I'm now in the "high risk" group, so staying away from people in general is probably a good idea for me, so I'll be social distancing for a while, even if things open up. If anyone who has been going and protesting at the capitol gets within 6 feet of me, they're getting crane kicked like Johnny from Karate Kid.

[thebruce44]

Help me understand the implications of this headline:

 

“World Health Organization says getting COVID-19 May not prevent second infection.“

 

I understand all the “this is speculation, this isn’t peer reviewed, this isn’t this or that.” But if you take it for what it says - that one can continue to get the virus...doesn’t that imply that as a human race we are more or less screwed?

 

If true, I presume a second infection wouldn’t prevent a third and so on and so forth. Eventually we all will have it all the time non stop if it is contagious as it seems and we can’t become immune...no? Until we are all dead or eventually Kill ourselves out of the misery of constantly being sick.

 

What am I missing here?

 

I look at anything the WHO says as completely the opposite after seeing how they literally kissed the :&(‘es of China in January, and then seeing Tedros very suspect connections to them.

 

Take it for a grain of salt...it may not even be worth that much.

 

So instead of trying to understand how skepticism fits into the scientific method you are choosing to tie your personal safety to confirmation bias?

[hawing]

Let's just pretend that they started Phase 1 of re-opening things. How many people are going to still remain quarantined regardless because they are still worried about this?

 

I think this needs to be considered.

I'm not going to lie. I'd have to see what measures my library can take to reduce contact with visitors before I'd feel entirely at ease returning to work. I can imagine a lot of our patrons saying "I just want to stop in for a few minutes and get some books," which I understand - but if 50 people per day do that, that's 50 people with whom I'm interacting "for just a minute."