COVID-19 Thread

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Oh, I totally agree with that. I'll be outside all weekend doing that stuff. But it's naive to not look at what's allowed and what's not and connect some dots once you think about it. What I meant was, what all those have in common, is that they all skew heavily upper middle class. For the large majority of the clientele when it comes to golf, boats and professional landscaping...there's still a lot of ability to spend money.

 

I think they've really tried to put health first this time, but the socioeconomics are also part of the decisions being made. An another unfortunate reality is that more money generally means you can isolate without as much consequence, too. Much less of your lifestyle is disturbed in suburbia than it is in Brooklyn.

[superfly]

Middle class people play frisbee and pick-up basketball and those aren't getting lines in news stories. I couldn't care less about golf being allowed or disallowed. That it specifically keeps getting mentioned in these stories is funny to me. There is one sport state senators play with donors. If they didn't, it would still be closed.

 

Since frisbee golf has been allowed this entire time and pick-up basketball is a close contact sport I don't see how this is comparable at all or why they would get lines in news stories. There also aren't numerous small businesses that operate to serve the public needs of frisbee and pickup basketball.

 

I knew someone was going to say this and it wasn't the point at all. It wasn't that golf and basketball are of equal risk. Or that only rich people play golf. I never said those things.

 

Do you guys really think that weren't 800 phone calls to local reps from their best buds asking for an explanation as to why we can't golf, as well as subtle pressure that it would be great if we can play golf? I never even suggested they were wrong. But I don't really know what to say if people think that the affluence of the sport has nothing to do with it getting a green light so quickly. When 90% of investors and businessmen visit a city they ask where they can golf. Donors and reps playing golf is like a century-old custom. I wasn't knocking golf.

 

I don’t think there’s a conspiracy. These governors are just throwing grass up in the air and whichever way the wind is blowing that’s the rules that are made for the week. Becoming a joke. At what point do we get our bill of rights back?

[adambr2]

Middle class people play frisbee and pick-up basketball and those aren't getting lines in news stories. I couldn't care less about golf being allowed or disallowed. That it specifically keeps getting mentioned in these stories is funny to me. There is one sport state senators play with donors. If they didn't, it would still be closed.

 

Since frisbee golf has been allowed this entire time and pick-up basketball is a close contact sport I don't see how this is comparable at all or why they would get lines in news stories. There also aren't numerous small businesses that operate to serve the public needs of frisbee and pickup basketball.

 

I knew someone was going to say this and it wasn't the point at all. It wasn't that golf and basketball are of equal risk. Or that only rich people play golf. I never said those things.

 

Do you guys really think that weren't 800 phone calls to local reps from their best buds asking for an explanation as to why we can't golf, as well as subtle pressure that it would be great if we can play golf? I never even suggested they were wrong. But I don't really know what to say if people think that the affluence of the sport has nothing to do with it getting a green light so quickly. When 90% of investors and businessmen visit a city they ask where they can golf. Donors and reps playing golf is like a century-old custom. I wasn't knocking golf.

 

Well, on that same note literally no one suggested that the affluence of golf had nothing to do with it getting the green light. Not one person disagreed with you on that so I'm not sure who you're arguing with on that point. I just said middle class people play golf too to point out that it's not just the affluent that benefit from this.

 

I just don't know why we should care how it was influenced if it's not wrong. As you said no one is suggesting that they were wrong to do so. There are so many injustices in the world based on affluent influence that I'd personally be more concerned about those, not one that also benefits your average adult citizen.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't think there is any conspiracy either. Particularly because golf was a stupid shutdown in the first place. Maybe if they were scared that if it was the only thing to do it would attract too many people. But I do think a bunch of wealthy people made phone calls and were not too happy about a golf-less spring? Yes. Do I think local reps listen to those people more closely? Yes,

[homer]

civil liberties and highly infectious diseases make strange bedfellows

[OldSchoolSnapper]

This is a particular cruel time for MKE. The Bucks magic season derailed and the DNC probably done. That was a big get for the city and it's just sad. I was never big on Summerfest but salvaging that seems more fantasy than reality even after moving it.

[BrewCrewForever]

This is a particular cruel time for MKE. The Bucks magic season derailed and the DNC probably done. That was a big get for the city and it's just sad. I was never big on Summerfest but salvaging that seems more fantasy than reality even after moving it.

 

Yup, we suffer through the dark, cold, snowy winters in Wisconsin to be able to enjoy all the fun available in summer and now it's pretty much all gone. Going to be a boring summer, followed by another crummy winter before we might be able to enjoy all those fun summer things again.

[logan82]

School is done. Not surprising in the least, but any hope is dashed.

 

Yea. Online learning is starting to lose its luster to the kids too. Guess I'll have to try and set up a google meet to see some of my student faces.

My kid had a hard time with it the first week. Assignments not turned in, spending I swear 12 hours working on homework and not getting it all done. Now he sits with me every day while I work. 2 hours a day and he has his homework done and turned in. Hard for kids to focus unless they have their phones taken away and just do their work.

[homer]

I wish they would replace essential/non-essential work or leisure item descriptions with something like "social distance-compliant / non-compliant" categorizations.

 

Missed this when you posted it originally but this is a really good idea. I think people are hung up on the terms.

[jerichoholicninja]

Does anyone know why Georgia has developed into a hot spot the last few days? The other states I can understand. GA has Atlanta, but lacks other major population centers.

 

Their governor is a moron. Plain and simple.

 

Didn't do anything around social distancing, until April 2nd. Re-opened beaches which Tybee and Savannah had shut down weeks earlier during that same order.

 

COVID has been in the news for months now. It's been made pretty clear how to avoid getting it and spreading it. People are going to do what people are going to do. Unless you want to put armed guards at everyone's door to make sure they never leave the house people are going to go outside and do stuff and probably congregate together.

[jerichoholicninja]

I wish they would replace essential/non-essential work or leisure item descriptions with something like "social distance-compliant / non-compliant" categorizations.

 

Missed this when you posted it originally but this is a really good idea. I think people are hung up on the terms.

 

I was thinking the same thing last weekend when I was working in my yard and about half the houses in my neighborhood had lawn service companies thatching their lawns. There's lots of businesses that are "non-essential" that can easily be done without putting people at risk.

 

I have a friend that owns a store. His business is totally unessential and he's the only employee. There's a closed sign in the door but he still goes there every day and has customers stop in to pick up orders and he delivers some to them. By the letter of the law, he probably shouldn't be doing what he's doing but it's certainly no different than a restaurant doing takeout/delivery.

[RobertR]

Personally, I'd like to see the drive-ins get an exemption. I understand New York is considering it. It would at least be something to do with a change of scenery. Maybe you'd have to do some e-ticketing and shut down the concession stand, but it seems feasible.

[stoutdude04]

Does anyone know why Georgia has developed into a hot spot the last few days? The other states I can understand. GA has Atlanta, but lacks other major population centers.

 

Their governor is a moron. Plain and simple.

 

Didn't do anything around social distancing, until April 2nd. Re-opened beaches which Tybee and Savannah had shut down weeks earlier during that same order.

 

COVID has been in the news for months now. It's been made pretty clear how to avoid getting it and spreading it. People are going to do what people are going to do. Unless you want to put armed guards at everyone's door to make sure they never leave the house people are going to go outside and do stuff and probably congregate together.

 

Except that the Governor of Georgia literally came out like a week ago and said that they just found out that it lays dormant for 14 days. So no, either he lied or intentionally didnt make it clear. I do think some people are going to defy orders, sure, but for the most part I think people are taking this seriously. At least that's what I've seen in my smallish town.

[LouisEly]

Crazy idea, but they have zip code level data on this - what about opening up on a zip code by zip code basis and you can only patronize businesses in the zip code you live in? Make it a condition of opening up that you have to have someone at the door checking ID's (boosts employment) and possibly a reduced capacity. Forces you to shop local. Zip codes that have no active cases can open up immediately, zip codes with very low incidence can open in two weeks depending on how things go.

 

The issue is spreading it, and if nobody in that zip code has it and nobody strays into that zip code, then in theory nobody should contract it. They showed a heat map of Chicago last week, and there were virtually no cases downtown, River North, Lincoln Park, Lakeview/Wrigleyville, Wicker Park - it was concentrated on the south side, far west side, and far north side (Uptown). It's not spread evenly by any stretch, so keep the hot spots shut down and strategically open up the rest.

 

Like I said, crazy and probably won't work in reality, but they are going to have to start thinking of radical ideas soon to partially restart the economy.

[homer]

That's an interesting idea. Back during the Spanish Flu, Chicago opened things up neighborhood by neighborhood. Of course that was before cars made it easier to move from Englewood to Lincoln Park. I wonder if every zip code has a decent grocery store?

[MrTPlush]

That's an interesting idea. Back during the Spanish Flu, Chicago opened things up neighborhood by neighborhood. Of course that was before cars made it easier to move from Englewood to Lincoln Park. I wonder if every zip code has a decent grocery store?

 

Definitely not, many Wisconsin small towns don't have a grocery store period.

[DuWayne Steurer]

That's an interesting idea. Back during the Spanish Flu, Chicago opened things up neighborhood by neighborhood. Of course that was before cars made it easier to move from Englewood to Lincoln Park. I wonder if every zip code has a decent grocery store?

 

Definitely not, many Wisconsin small towns don't have a grocery store period.

 

But EVERY Wisconsin small town has at least 3 Kwik Trips....

[homer]

That's an interesting idea. Back during the Spanish Flu, Chicago opened things up neighborhood by neighborhood. Of course that was before cars made it easier to move from Englewood to Lincoln Park. I wonder if every zip code has a decent grocery store?

 

Definitely not, many Wisconsin small towns don't have a grocery store period.

 

But EVERY Wisconsin small town has at least 3 Kwik Trips....

 

And a church and four bars

[DuWayne Steurer]

 

But EVERY Wisconsin small town has at least 3 Kwik Trips....

 

And a church and four bars

 

 

Just one church?? XD

 

At least 3. Usually a Lutheran, Catholic, Protestant, and at least one more if there's a population of 700 or so.

[FVBrewerFan]

Crazy idea, but they have zip code level data on this - what about opening up on a zip code by zip code basis and you can only patronize businesses in the zip code you live in? Make it a condition of opening up that you have to have someone at the door checking ID's (boosts employment) and possibly a reduced capacity. Forces you to shop local. Zip codes that have no active cases can open up immediately, zip codes with very low incidence can open in two weeks depending on how things go.

 

The issue is spreading it, and if nobody in that zip code has it and nobody strays into that zip code, then in theory nobody should contract it. They showed a heat map of Chicago last week, and there were virtually no cases downtown, River North, Lincoln Park, Lakeview/Wrigleyville, Wicker Park - it was concentrated on the south side, far west side, and far north side (Uptown). It's not spread evenly by any stretch, so keep the hot spots shut down and strategically open up the rest.

 

Like I said, crazy and probably won't work in reality, but they are going to have to start thinking of radical ideas soon to partially restart the economy.

 

 

Nothing will work perfectly, I mean it's not perfectly now. But some version of this definitely makes sense. It would never work in WI though. Most zip codes could go right to tier 3 or whatever they call it, all other would be in 1 or 2 already. Except the north side of Milwaukee, and that's why this could never work in WI at least. No way would they open up the state, but keep the north side of Milwaukee shut down.

[AmFamFan]

I believe more people are going to die during this extended stay at home due to loss of medical care and mental issues than would have died if Evers would have waited and possibly opened up May 1st instead of automatically pushing it out. My wife is waiting on a biopsy that was scheduled. The appointment was cancelled and she was told that they could not re-schedule at this time. My mother in law was supposed to have double knee replacements done next week, they were also cancelled and she was told no re-scheduling at this point. She is basically bed ridden. I run a small business and most of my sales are done at trade shows. I ordered product in January like I always do in preparation for the spring show season. I am now sitting on $50,000 worth of product that I cannot sell and yet I have to still continue to make payments on. I am just one person and was on board with the initial stay at home order, but as you can see it has effected me directly in many negative ways. I am strongly against the premature timing of this extension and feel it will cause far more harm than good.

[owbc]

I've already seen some examples of prohibition-style services popping up. Businesses are starting to get desperate for revenue. My medical provider offered services that are supposed to be emergencies only and my spouse was able to get an off-the-record acupuncture procedure.

 

Hard to argue against the rules though. This thing has spread like wildfire when it has gotten an opportunity, such as in Sioux Falls.

[adambr2]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/antibody-research-coronavirus-widespread/story?id=70206121

 

This is a big point in the camp of "maybe I had it in December or January and didn't know it" and "maybe patient zero didn't get here on January 15th."

 

If 5% of the US population has had it, that also would indicate 15,000,000 have been infected and the real morality rate would be much lower than thought.

 

The remdesivir treatment also looks really encouraging so far. We may be in the early stages of turning a corner on this...

[homer]

I believe more people are going to die during this extended stay at home due to loss of medical care and mental issues than would have died if Evers would have waited and possibly opened up May 1st instead of automatically pushing it out. My wife is waiting on a biopsy that was scheduled. The appointment was cancelled and she was told that they could not re-schedule at this time. My mother in law was supposed to have double knee replacements done next week, they were also cancelled and she was told no re-scheduling at this point. She is basically bed ridden. I run a small business and most of my sales are done at trade shows. I ordered product in January like I always do in preparation for the spring show season. I am now sitting on $50,000 worth of product that I cannot sell and yet I have to still continue to make payments on. I am just one person and was on board with the initial stay at home order, but as you can see it has effected me directly in many negative ways. I am strongly against the premature timing of this extension and feel it will cause far more harm than good.

 

Can someone explain how the stay at home order prevents hospitals from performing certain procedures or services? I'm pretty sure that's up to the hospitals.

[MrTPlush]

Pretty sure the order does say no elective procedures etc...that being said I think the one that will go into effect will allow that stuff again.