COVID-19 Thread

[OldSchoolSnapper]

School is done. Not surprising in the least, but any hope is dashed.

[MrTPlush]

I was in Georgia over Valentine's weekend. I had a layover in ATL and ended in Savannah where I spent three days. A few days after I got back, I had a mild cold. The only weird symptom was that I had a sort of shortness of breath and when I stressed even mildly, like jogging a little bit, it would get worse and I'd have to clear my throat over and over. That and a cough lingered for a long time, like 10 days or so. I'll always wonder if that was it.

 

My friends in Georgia are sure they had it at thanksgiving. All the symptoms, knocked out for a week+. When able they’re going in to see if they have antibodies. Have more than a couple friends that were sick with the same thing in Nov/Dec.

 

What is that going to tell them? They could have gotten it and been asymptomatic in all these months after Thanksgiving.

 

I don't know what was going around in November, but it wasn't coronavirus. Way too many people are trying to make a similar claim. As Homer said it would have blown up way sooner than it did if it was actually coronavirus going around.

[stoutdude04]

School is done. Not surprising in the least, but any hope is dashed.

 

Yea. Online learning is starting to lose its luster to the kids too. Guess I'll have to try and set up a google meet to see some of my student faces.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Nobody had coronavirus at Thanksgiving. Look at the cases from the beginning of March to the end of April. If there were carriers in the United States in November this thing would have been blown up by January.

[owbc]

Nobody had coronavirus at Thanksgiving. Look at the cases from the beginning of March to the end of April. If there were carriers in the United States in November this thing would have been blown up by January.

 

I would have been 100% sure that the awful flu I had from Jan 1-3 was Coronavirus except that patient zero in my area was confirmed to have come back from Wuhan on Jan 15. It was just a nasty flu this year.

[Fear The Chorizo]

School is done. Not surprising in the least, but any hope is dashed.

 

Yea. Online learning is starting to lose its luster to the kids too. Guess I'll have to try and set up a google meet to see some of my student faces.

 

Honest question for those of you who are teachers/administrators - for students not planning to graduate high school, how difficult would it be for states to just end the current school year pronto or end of April, with the plan of finishing that last month in August in a classroom setting before sending the kids to the next grade up when school is scheduled to resume around labor day weekend? Wouldn't that be a better option than forcing both kids and teachers to try and limp along poorly with elearning programs that drive parents insane trying help with - particularly those who are trying to WFH and have elementary aged children who aren't Bill Gates - tech savvy, or even harder on parents who are teachers and have to do lesson planning + make sure their own kids are "in school"??

[Baldkin]

Does anyone know why Georgia has developed into a hot spot the last few days? The other states I can understand. GA has Atlanta, but lacks other major population centers.

 

Their governor is a moron. Plain and simple.

 

Didn't do anything around social distancing, until April 2nd. Re-opened beaches which Tybee and Savannah had shut down weeks earlier during that same order.

[stoutdude04]

School is done. Not surprising in the least, but any hope is dashed.

 

Yea. Online learning is starting to lose its luster to the kids too. Guess I'll have to try and set up a google meet to see some of my student faces.

 

Honest question for those of you who are teachers/administrators - for students not planning to graduate high school, how difficult would it be for states to just end the current school year pronto or end of April, with the plan of finishing that last month in August in a classroom setting before sending the kids to the next grade up when school is scheduled to resume around labor day weekend? Wouldn't that be a better option than forcing both kids and teachers to try and limp along poorly with elearning programs that drive parents insane trying help with - particularly those who are trying to WFH and have elementary aged children who aren't Bill Gates - tech savvy, or even harder on parents who are teachers and have to do lesson planning + make sure their own kids are "in school"??

 

Good question. I do have a suspicion that our district will cancel the rest of the year early, but how much early I dont know. I feel like lengthening the year by starting in August would get a lot of kick back from parents and probably staff too. I know I wouldn't be thrilled about it, but would do it if that's what they decide. It would make our tennis season challenging as the girls play a lot of matches in August during the day.

 

Our school board just passed 2 days of distant learning per year for next year, so we are going to have 2 online days to practice for this sort of thing/snow days in the future.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I've still been paying partial tuition while my kids are not in daycare. So a bit of a pickle now deciding whether to withdraw them completely, keep paying partial fee for no care, or just decide it's time to send them to daycare full time.

[Fear The Chorizo]

 

Good question. I do have a suspicion that our district will cancel the rest of the year early, but how much early I dont know. I feel like lengthening the year by starting in August would get a lot of kick back from parents and probably staff too. I know I wouldn't be thrilled about it, but would do it if that's what they decide. It would make our tennis season challenging as the girls play a lot of matches in August during the day.

 

Our school board just passed 2 days of distant learning per year for next year, so we are going to have 2 online days to practice for this sort of thing/snow days in the future.

 

I get the lengthening of a school year pushback under normal circumstances, but since this past month has probably taken several years off all our lives with what appears to be at least another month or two of the same, to me I'd welcome taking something like attempting to do school at home off parents' and kids' plates. Particularly for elementary-aged kids that require alot more adult supervision to get things done.

[adambr2]

Golf courses are going to be able to re-open in Wisconsin with some restrictions.

 

Glad to see common sense has won out on this one. If there's any activity that can help people maintain some sanity and normalcy without realistically creating any notable additional risk, it's golf.

[superfly]

Nobody had coronavirus at Thanksgiving. Look at the cases from the beginning of March to the end of April. If there were carriers in the United States in November this thing would have been blown up by January.

 

I would have been 100% sure that the awful flu I had from Jan 1-3 was Coronavirus except that patient zero in my area was confirmed to have come back from Wuhan on Jan 15. It was just a nasty flu this year.

 

After the crap China has done regarding this why should we believe that it began January 15th either? They’ve lied and distorted from the get go. Restricting travel from Wuhan to the rest of China while letting worldwide travel from Wuhan is at best a very suspect action, at worst an act of war.

[Jimbo]

Governor Evers has extended his order until May 26. I'm watching the presser now.

 

Upthread I posted "if I were King for a day..." and stated the metrics I would be using. Evers is using a different set of metrics listed in this article, so we're not on the same page.

https://biztimes.com/evers-dr-raymond-weigh-in-on-when-wisconsin-can-reopen-the-economy/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Daily%3A+Evers%2C+Raymond+weigh+in+on+when+Wisconsin+can+reopen+its+economy&utm_campaign=20200414+Daily

 

Watching the presser, neither Evers or the other two have once mentioned total cases or rate of new cases. The focus has been on infrastructure: current lack of PPE for front line and general workforce, inability of wide spread testing and lack of contact tracing. It's these things that is now preventing the opening of the economy. I'm not in a position to say yea or nay to today's news.

[owbc]

Nobody had coronavirus at Thanksgiving. Look at the cases from the beginning of March to the end of April. If there were carriers in the United States in November this thing would have been blown up by January.

 

I would have been 100% sure that the awful flu I had from Jan 1-3 was Coronavirus except that patient zero in my area was confirmed to have come back from Wuhan on Jan 15. It was just a nasty flu this year.

 

After the crap China has done regarding this why should we believe that it began January 15th either? They’ve lied and distorted from the get go. Restricting travel from Wuhan to the rest of China while letting worldwide travel from Wuhan is at best a very suspect action, at worst an act of war.

 

It was confirmed via genetic sequencing. Patient zero in Washington State came back from Wuhan on Jan 15. All subsequent cases in Washington that were sequenced (before it started spreading everywhere) can be traced back to that person.

[homer]

Nobody had coronavirus at Thanksgiving. Look at the cases from the beginning of March to the end of April. If there were carriers in the United States in November this thing would have been blown up by January.

 

I would have been 100% sure that the awful flu I had from Jan 1-3 was Coronavirus except that patient zero in my area was confirmed to have come back from Wuhan on Jan 15. It was just a nasty flu this year.

 

After the crap China has done regarding this why should we believe that it began January 15th either? They’ve lied and distorted from the get go. Restricting travel from Wuhan to the rest of China while letting worldwide travel from Wuhan is at best a very suspect action, at worst an act of war.

 

Because we don't have to rely on China's word to prove it.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Golf courses are going to be able to re-open in Wisconsin with some restrictions.

 

Glad to see common sense has won out on this one. If there's any activity that can help people maintain some sanity and normalcy without realistically creating any notable additional risk, it's golf.

 

Golf is open because it is the wealthy's favorite sport and a bunch of donors on both sides of the aisle want their golf.

[adambr2]

Golf courses are going to be able to re-open in Wisconsin with some restrictions.

 

Glad to see common sense has won out on this one. If there's any activity that can help people maintain some sanity and normalcy without realistically creating any notable additional risk, it's golf.

 

Golf is open because it is the wealthy's favorite sport and a bunch of donors on both sides of the aisle want their golf.

 

Middle class people play golf too. Doesn't really matter to me why it's open. There's no logical health reasons for it not to be.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Middle class people play frisbee and pick-up basketball and those aren't getting lines in news stories. I couldn't care less about golf being allowed or disallowed. That it specifically keeps getting mentioned in these stories is funny to me. There is one sport state senators play with donors. If they didn't, it would still be closed.

[bucks2281]

I think it’s been mentioned because golf restrictions have varied among the states. I definitely have seen some people playing golf on the MKE county courses in the past month.

[adambr2]

Middle class people play frisbee and pick-up basketball and those aren't getting lines in news stories. I couldn't care less about golf being allowed or disallowed. That it specifically keeps getting mentioned in these stories is funny to me. There is one sport state senators play with donors. If they didn't, it would still be closed.

 

Since frisbee golf has been allowed this entire time and pick-up basketball is a close contact sport I don't see how this is comparable at all or why they would get lines in news stories. There also aren't numerous small businesses that operate to serve the public needs of frisbee and pickup basketball.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I wish they would replace essential/non-essential work or leisure item descriptions with something like "social distance-compliant / non-compliant" categorizations.

 

It's dumb to label golf, boat dock installations, or landscaping work as "essential services" in the same category as healthcare or grocery stores. Even if governors aren't trying to it looks like they're picking winners and losers, which is going to lead to backlash now matter how rational it appears to be. That's just what's going to happen when tens of millions of people lose their job per government order.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Middle class people play frisbee and pick-up basketball and those aren't getting lines in news stories. I couldn't care less about golf being allowed or disallowed. That it specifically keeps getting mentioned in these stories is funny to me. There is one sport state senators play with donors. If they didn't, it would still be closed.

 

Since frisbee golf has been allowed this entire time and pick-up basketball is a close contact sport I don't see how this is comparable at all or why they would get lines in news stories. There also aren't numerous small businesses that operate to serve the public needs of frisbee and pickup basketball.

 

I knew someone was going to say this and it wasn't the point at all. It wasn't that golf and basketball are of equal risk. Or that only rich people play golf. I never said those things.

 

Do you guys really think that weren't 800 phone calls to local reps from their best buds asking for an explanation as to why we can't golf, as well as subtle pressure that it would be great if we can play golf? I never even suggested they were wrong. But I don't really know what to say if people think that the affluence of the sport has nothing to do with it getting a green light so quickly. When 90% of investors and businessmen visit a city they ask where they can golf. Donors and reps playing golf is like a century-old custom. I wasn't knocking golf.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I wish they would replace essential/non-essential work or leisure item descriptions with something like "social distance-compliant / non-compliant" categorizations.

 

It's dumb to label golf, boat dock installations, or landscaping work as "essential services" in the same category as healthcare or grocery stores. Even if governors aren't trying to it looks like they're picking winners and losers, which is going to lead to backlash now matter how rational it appears to be. That's just what's going to happen when tens of millions of people lose their job per government order.

 

What kind of person is golfing, installing a boat dock, having landscaping outsourced or doing all three?

 

There's a reason some of these things get passes before other things. I think it's good to keep as many things running as possible, but to completely dismiss the nature of some of these decisions is just being naive.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Wow, just saw that Eugene Kane is dead and a coronavirus test is pending. A polarizing MKE figure if there ever was one.

[homer]

I wish they would replace essential/non-essential work or leisure item descriptions with something like "social distance-compliant / non-compliant" categorizations.

 

It's dumb to label golf, boat dock installations, or landscaping work as "essential services" in the same category as healthcare or grocery stores. Even if governors aren't trying to it looks like they're picking winners and losers, which is going to lead to backlash now matter how rational it appears to be. That's just what's going to happen when tens of millions of people lose their job per government order.

 

What kind of person is golfing, installing a boat dock, having landscaping outsourced or doing all three?

 

There's a reason some of these things get passes before other things. I think it's good to keep as many things running as possible, but to completely dismiss the nature of some of these decisions is just being naive.

 

You can't just sit in your house or walk around the neighborhood. I think it's fine for people to go outside and get some fresh air. If you have to hire someone for landscaping I really don't see the downside.