COVID-19 Thread

[FVBrewerFan]

I think people are missing the point that Homer's made multiple times. Or they're just ignoring it. All these comparisons and other maladies don't do what covid-19 is doing and that is over-running the Healthcare System all at one time. Even if people concede that there is a price to human life, if we just decide that the economy is more important than a few hundred thousand old people, we will reach a point where our Healthcare System cannot handle the influx of new cases. Homer has repeatedly pointed this out.

 

I personally won't concede that any amount of old people or people with pre-existing conditions are less important than the economy. My brother just got told last Tuesday that his job was closing down and on Friday he was told that there was no money for paychecks. He is still on Facebook and Twitter telling people to stay home and stop spreading this around even in the face of having no immediate income.

 

Were you calling for a shutdown every flu season? 80,000 people died in the U.S. over the 2017-18 flu season. Nothing shut down, you had to scramble to even find a story about it. If those people are more important than the economy, we really should shut down for a few months every year.

[wallus]

I am sure people will disagree with me but I feel we should have stricter measures right now (actually enforce them as well). I would keep that going until we have sufficient medical supplies and hospital capacity to handle it or we develop a cure. Then I would start to loosen things up and slowly get back to normal.

 

There needs to be an even keeled approach that involves safety, the economy and quality of life all considered.

 

Problem is everyone's definition of "even keeled" is different.

 

Very true. I don't think shutting things down for 12-18 months like I have seen suggested by some people online is in any way acceptable. I believe we should be talking weeks and not many months personally. Testing, supplies and stricter methods should get us there I hope.

[monkeyman343434]

I think people are missing the point that Homer's made multiple times. Or they're just ignoring it. All these comparisons and other maladies don't do what covid-19 is doing and that is over-running the Healthcare System all at one time. Even if people concede that there is a price to human life, if we just decide that the economy is more important than a few hundred thousand old people, we will reach a point where our Healthcare System cannot handle the influx of new cases. Homer has repeatedly pointed this out.

 

I personally won't concede that any amount of old people or people with pre-existing conditions are less important than the economy. My brother just got told last Tuesday that his job was closing down and on Friday he was told that there was no money for paychecks. He is still on Facebook and Twitter telling people to stay home and stop spreading this around even in the face of having no immediate income.

 

Were you calling for a shutdown every flu season? 80,000 people died in the U.S. over the 2017-18 flu season. Nothing shut down, you had to scramble to even find a story about it. If those people are more important than the economy, we really should shut down for a few months every year.

 

Because flu season spans 3 to 6 months, December to February, or you can expand it each direction. This has killed a lot of people in a fraction of that time. The mortality rate is at MINIMUM 10x more deadly than the flu. If nothing was done, that 80,000 number would happen in less than two weeks.

[homer]

I think people are missing the point that Homer's made multiple times. Or they're just ignoring it. All these comparisons and other maladies don't do what covid-19 is doing and that is over-running the Healthcare System all at one time. Even if people concede that there is a price to human life, if we just decide that the economy is more important than a few hundred thousand old people, we will reach a point where our Healthcare System cannot handle the influx of new cases. Homer has repeatedly pointed this out.

 

I personally won't concede that any amount of old people or people with pre-existing conditions are less important than the economy. My brother just got told last Tuesday that his job was closing down and on Friday he was told that there was no money for paychecks. He is still on Facebook and Twitter telling people to stay home and stop spreading this around even in the face of having no immediate income.

 

Were you calling for a shutdown every flu season? 80,000 people died in the U.S. over the 2017-18 flu season. Nothing shut down, you had to scramble to even find a story about it. If those people are more important than the economy, we really should shut down for a few months every year.

 

 

If flu season was two months long and we had same number of hospitalizations and fatalities, we'd probably have a different response.

[FVBrewerFan]

I think people are missing the point that Homer's made multiple times. Or they're just ignoring it. All these comparisons and other maladies don't do what covid-19 is doing and that is over-running the Healthcare System all at one time. Even if people concede that there is a price to human life, if we just decide that the economy is more important than a few hundred thousand old people, we will reach a point where our Healthcare System cannot handle the influx of new cases. Homer has repeatedly pointed this out.

 

I personally won't concede that any amount of old people or people with pre-existing conditions are less important than the economy. My brother just got told last Tuesday that his job was closing down and on Friday he was told that there was no money for paychecks. He is still on Facebook and Twitter telling people to stay home and stop spreading this around even in the face of having no immediate income.

 

Were you calling for a shutdown every flu season? 80,000 people died in the U.S. over the 2017-18 flu season. Nothing shut down, you had to scramble to even find a story about it. If those people are more important than the economy, we really should shut down for a few months every year.

 

 

If flu season was two months long and we had same number of hospitalizations and fatalities, we'd probably have a different response.

 

Well, the comment was ANY amount of people aren't less important than the economy. No qualifiers that you just provided.

[MrTPlush]

I think people are missing the point that Homer's made multiple times. Or they're just ignoring it. All these comparisons and other maladies don't do what covid-19 is doing and that is over-running the Healthcare System all at one time. Even if people concede that there is a price to human life, if we just decide that the economy is more important than a few hundred thousand old people, we will reach a point where our Healthcare System cannot handle the influx of new cases. Homer has repeatedly pointed this out.

 

I personally won't concede that any amount of old people or people with pre-existing conditions are less important than the economy. My brother just got told last Tuesday that his job was closing down and on Friday he was told that there was no money for paychecks. He is still on Facebook and Twitter telling people to stay home and stop spreading this around even in the face of having no immediate income.

 

Were you calling for a shutdown every flu season? 80,000 people died in the U.S. over the 2017-18 flu season. Nothing shut down, you had to scramble to even find a story about it. If those people are more important than the economy, we really should shut down for a few months every year.

 

Because flu season spans 3 to 6 months, December to February, or you can expand it each direction. This has killed a lot of people in a fraction of that time. The mortality rate is at MINIMUM 10x more deadly than the flu. If nothing was done, that 80,000 number would happen in less than two weeks.

 

The current fatality rate that is believed to be true is somewhere between 6x and 7x more deadly than the flu. Of course the death rate really isn't the issue...it is all the people being hospitalized which I am sure is way more than the seasonal flu.

 

We don't know anything for sure right now though. We are far from really knowing the accurate death rate. tens of thousands in this country probably know they have coronavirus right now, but aren't even allowed a test. Millions will get it and never know.

[nate82]

 

"We know how to bring the economy back to life. What we do not know is how to bring people back to life."

— Nana Akufo-Addo, President of Ghana

 

This is just dumb. You can't bring an economy back to life once it is dead it is dead. You can revive an economy but you can not bring it back to life. Dead is dead no matter what you are looking at.

 

You basically have to start all over again with a new economy once it has died. Somalia and other countries around the world prove this point as the economy in Somalia has been tried to be brought back to life but it has failed over and over again. It is simply disingenuous to say an economy can be brought back to life it is like comparing COVID-19 to the flu. Just like life has to be born again the economy has to be born again once it dies.

[homer]

 

"We know how to bring the economy back to life. What we do not know is how to bring people back to life."

— Nana Akufo-Addo, President of Ghana

 

This is just dumb. You can't bring an economy back to life once it is dead it is dead. You can revive an economy but you can not bring it back to life. Dead is dead no matter what you are looking at.

 

You basically have to start all over again with a new economy once it has died. Somalia and other countries around the world prove this point as the economy in Somalia has been tried to be brought back to life but it has failed over and over again. It is simply disingenuous to say an economy can be brought back to life it is like comparing COVID-19 to the flu. Just like life has to be born again the economy has to be born again once it dies.

 

 

I don't think he intended that first sentence to be taken literally.

[3and2Fastball]

Scientists are saying that if we never did anything with social distancing, 1-2 million Americans would die. Comparing this to the flu (other than, perhaps, the Spanish Flu of 1918) is, unfortunately, irrelevant, at least at this time. By April of 2021, with enough herd immunity and available treatment or vaccines, then perhaps we can make comparisons to flu.

[nate82]

 

"We know how to bring the economy back to life. What we do not know is how to bring people back to life."

— Nana Akufo-Addo, President of Ghana

 

This is just dumb. You can't bring an economy back to life once it is dead it is dead. You can revive an economy but you can not bring it back to life. Dead is dead no matter what you are looking at.

 

You basically have to start all over again with a new economy once it has died. Somalia and other countries around the world prove this point as the economy in Somalia has been tried to be brought back to life but it has failed over and over again. It is simply disingenuous to say an economy can be brought back to life it is like comparing COVID-19 to the flu. Just like life has to be born again the economy has to be born again once it dies.

 

 

I don't think he intended that first sentence to be taken literally.

 

Then it is a useless and dumb quote.

[LouisEly]

The solution is the implementation and expansion of the rapid tests so that we know who to isolate and who doesn't need to be isolated.

 

The problem is that they need to make 5,000,000 of those tests a day, not the 50,000 that Abbott said they can make.

[DuWayne Steurer]

 

Were you calling for a shutdown every flu season? 80,000 people died in the U.S. over the 2017-18 flu season. Nothing shut down, you had to scramble to even find a story about it. If those people are more important than the economy, we really should shut down for a few months every year.

 

 

 

 

Well, the comment was ANY amount of people aren't less important than the economy. No qualifiers that you just provided.

 

 

Nope, haven't been calling for a shutdown every flu season. Because this isn't the flu. The flu isn't leaving hospitals overwhelmed and running out of supplies.

[homer]

 

I don't think he intended that first sentence to be taken literally.

 

Then it is a useless and dumb quote.

 

The economy will take a hit and bounce back. In the US it has done so many, many times over.

[wallus]

The University of Minnesota has developed a test to check to see if you have had the virus and passed it or not. Would those that have had it and passed it be able to donate plasma to help those that need it? I have not seen much on using plasma as a potential solution but I might not be looking in the proper spots.

[rwa12]

They are collecting plasma from those with antibodies for this purpose, I read somewhere today the FDA has approved.

[MrTPlush]

We are the only state holding an April primary as planned, what an embarrassment. I don’t think they is another in person voting primary the entire month. We’re are going to close down the state and ban gatherings outside a household, but turn around and have an in person vote.

[FVBrewerFan]

 

Were you calling for a shutdown every flu season? 80,000 people died in the U.S. over the 2017-18 flu season. Nothing shut down, you had to scramble to even find a story about it. If those people are more important than the economy, we really should shut down for a few months every year.

 

 

 

 

Well, the comment was ANY amount of people aren't less important than the economy. No qualifiers that you just provided.

 

 

Nope, haven't been calling for a shutdown every flu season. Because this isn't the flu. The flu isn't leaving hospitals overwhelmed and running out of supplies.

 

Yes, that's a given. But if you believe any amount of lives are more important than the economy, you would want to save 10s of thousands every year. Maybe I read your comment wrong, but it sounded like you said no loss of life is worth a theiving economy.

 

Problem I have with that is very high unemployment brings more death due to crime, drug abuse, suicide, and a tremendous growth in a whole lot of other serious, even life threatening conditions. And thats how the cure could be worse than the disease.

[PeaveyFury]

We are the only state holding an April primary as planned, what an embarrassment. I don’t think they is another in person voting primary the entire month. We’re are going to close down the state and ban gatherings outside a household, but turn around and have an in person vote.

 

It is indeed an absolute embarrassment and completely mind boggling that anyone thinks that having it as scheduled is a good idea.

[adambr2]

I requested an absentee ballot as soon as this COVID-19 stuff started to really get bad. How is having an election not a violation of the stay at home order? I can't go play 9 holes of golf by myself, but I can get in line and cram myself into an elementary school to vote? Really?

 

Also, how do you expect anyone to take a stay at home order seriously when you're allowing this to proceed as scheduled?

[superfly]

I requested an absentee ballot as soon as this COVID-19 stuff started to really get bad. How is having an election not a violation of the stay at home order? I can't go play 9 holes of golf by myself, but I can get in line and cram myself into an elementary school to vote? Really?

 

Also, how do you expect anyone to take a stay at home order seriously when you're allowing this to proceed as scheduled?

 

I could answer this but it might offend people. It’s pretty simple really but I’ll leave it up to interpretation.

[nodakfan17]

So we’re supposed to wear masks in public now?

[MrTPlush]

So we’re supposed to wear masks in public now?

 

It would actually be an incredible help if the masks were available in such a quantity. It doesn't protect you as much as it protects you from spreading. That would be pretty huge for asymptomatic people. Of course that assumes people use them correctly and don't touch their face etc.

 

It isn't a bad idea to encourage people to use those homemade cloth masks if they have them. It is certainly miles better than nothing.

[PeaveyFury]

So we’re supposed to wear masks in public now?

 

It would actually be an incredible help if the masks were available in such a quantity. It doesn't protect you as much as it protects you from spreading. That would be pretty huge for asymptomatic people. Of course that assumes people use them correctly and don't touch their face etc.

 

It isn't a bad idea to encourage people to use those homemade cloth masks if they have them. It is certainly miles better than nothing.

 

I'm betting the cloth masks is the guidance we'll eventually get on that too. Any sort of official mask should be saved for medical professionals and others that need them for their profession.

[nodakfan17]

I find it amusing that in the span of a month, we’ve gone from ‘don’t wear masks’ to ‘here’s how to make your own mask out of a bra.’

 

https://www.insider.com/women-making-coronavirus-face-masks-out-of-their-bras-2020-3

[OldSchoolSnapper]

 

I don't think he intended that first sentence to be taken literally.

 

Then it is a useless and dumb quote.

 

I don't think this is how analogies work.