COVID-19 Thread

[JosephC]

Italy now has 69,176 confirmed cases. Italy's population is 60,485,153. 0.11% infected.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The Swedes are arguably the most isolated culture on Earth. People do not exchange pleasantries, you don't talk to strangers, lots of young people live by themselves. Hugging and handshakes and the like are not even a thing. If you ever get a chance to go there you will realize firsthand it's very real and not a cliche.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The Swedes are arguably the most isolated culture on Earth. People do not exchange pleasantries, you don't talk to strangers, lots of young people live by themselves. Hugging and handshakes and the like are not even a thing. If you ever get a chance to go there you will realize firsthand it's very real and not a cliche.

[homer]

Italy now has 69,176 confirmed cases. Italy's population is 60,485,153. 0.11% infected.

 

And they about 100 cases a month ago. Hence the toll on their healthcare system...everyone got sick at the same time.

[homer]

Italy now has 69,176 confirmed cases. Italy's population is 60,485,153. 0.11% infected.

 

And they about 100 cases a month ago. Hence the toll on their healthcare system...everyone got sick at the same time.

[JosephC]

We have 457 people with confirmed positive tests, with what...less than 10 deaths right? How exactly are we going to get to ONE THOUSAND deaths in the next two weeks? Using those numbers, the amount of positive tests would have to multiple by FIFTY with the current death rate to reach 1000 deaths in two weeks. I'm sorry but I find that to be very difficult to believe.

 

 

We shalt be saved!

 

Direct from Safer at Home order.

 

4. Closures. All of the following facilities shall be closed:

a. Public and private K-12 schools and public libraries. Except for facilitating distance learning or virtual learning, public and private K-12 schools are closed for pupil instruction and extracurricular activities. Libraries shall close for all in-person services, but may continue to provide on-line services and programming. Schools and public libraries may be used for Essential Government Functions and food distribution. This

section does not apply to facilities operated by the Wisconsin Department of Corrections or the Department of Military Affairs including the Challenge Academy.

b. Places of public amusement and activity. Whether indoors or outdoors, including but not limited to amusement parks, carnivals, water parks, licensed public or private swimming pools, splash pads, aquariums, zoos, museums, arcades, fairs, children's play centers, playgrounds, funplexes, theme parks, bowling alleys, movie and other theaters, concert and music halls, country clubs, social clubs, and gyms and fitness centers.

c. Salons and spas. This includes, but is not limited to, hair salons, barber shops, nail salons, day spas, electrolysis providers, waxing salons, eyebrow-care establishments, tattoo parlors, body art establishments, and tanning facilities.

 

Everybody else, go to work, go to the grocery store, go to the hardware store, go to the auto care shop, go to the laudromat, go to the bank, and make the trip down to Illinois to buy your dope because that is essential although it may not be legal. I have it on good authority that you are much more likely to catch this bug on a golf course than you would a laundromat. Trust me.

 

One question, is there a difference between a tattoo parlor and a body art establishment? Regardless, I'm really glad they listed both for those of us who are unsure.

[JosephC]

We have 457 people with confirmed positive tests, with what...less than 10 deaths right? How exactly are we going to get to ONE THOUSAND deaths in the next two weeks? Using those numbers, the amount of positive tests would have to multiple by FIFTY with the current death rate to reach 1000 deaths in two weeks. I'm sorry but I find that to be very difficult to believe.

 

 

We shalt be saved!

 

Direct from Safer at Home order.

 

4. Closures. All of the following facilities shall be closed:

a. Public and private K-12 schools and public libraries. Except for facilitating distance learning or virtual learning, public and private K-12 schools are closed for pupil instruction and extracurricular activities. Libraries shall close for all in-person services, but may continue to provide on-line services and programming. Schools and public libraries may be used for Essential Government Functions and food distribution. This

section does not apply to facilities operated by the Wisconsin Department of Corrections or the Department of Military Affairs including the Challenge Academy.

b. Places of public amusement and activity. Whether indoors or outdoors, including but not limited to amusement parks, carnivals, water parks, licensed public or private swimming pools, splash pads, aquariums, zoos, museums, arcades, fairs, children's play centers, playgrounds, funplexes, theme parks, bowling alleys, movie and other theaters, concert and music halls, country clubs, social clubs, and gyms and fitness centers.

c. Salons and spas. This includes, but is not limited to, hair salons, barber shops, nail salons, day spas, electrolysis providers, waxing salons, eyebrow-care establishments, tattoo parlors, body art establishments, and tanning facilities.

 

Everybody else, go to work, go to the grocery store, go to the hardware store, go to the auto care shop, go to the laudromat, go to the bank, and make the trip down to Illinois to buy your dope because that is essential although it may not be legal. I have it on good authority that you are much more likely to catch this bug on a golf course than you would a laundromat. Trust me.

 

One question, is there a difference between a tattoo parlor and a body art establishment? Regardless, I'm really glad they listed both for those of us who are unsure.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Italy now has 69,176 confirmed cases. Italy's population is 60,485,153. 0.11% infected.

 

And they about 100 cases a month ago. Hence the toll on their healthcare system...everyone got sick at the same time.

 

The infection rate on this thing is never going to be a huge help. The trend in the numbers might help tell us when we can expect things to curb but how many of the confirmed cases in Italy were infected by 16 year old relatives and the like that never got very sick? Those people will never be counted. There will be people all over the world who infected the vulnerable never having known they had it.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Italy now has 69,176 confirmed cases. Italy's population is 60,485,153. 0.11% infected.

 

And they about 100 cases a month ago. Hence the toll on their healthcare system...everyone got sick at the same time.

 

The infection rate on this thing is never going to be a huge help. The trend in the numbers might help tell us when we can expect things to curb but how many of the confirmed cases in Italy were infected by 16 year old relatives and the like that never got very sick? Those people will never be counted. There will be people all over the world who infected the vulnerable never having known they had it.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

We have 457 people with confirmed positive tests, with what...less than 10 deaths right? How exactly are we going to get to ONE THOUSAND deaths in the next two weeks? Using those numbers, the amount of positive tests would have to multiple by FIFTY with the current death rate to reach 1000 deaths in two weeks. I'm sorry but I find that to be very difficult to believe.

 

 

We shalt be saved!

 

Direct from Safer at Home order.

 

4. Closures. All of the following facilities shall be closed:

a. Public and private K-12 schools and public libraries. Except for facilitating distance learning or virtual learning, public and private K-12 schools are closed for pupil instruction and extracurricular activities. Libraries shall close for all in-person services, but may continue to provide on-line services and programming. Schools and public libraries may be used for Essential Government Functions and food distribution. This

section does not apply to facilities operated by the Wisconsin Department of Corrections or the Department of Military Affairs including the Challenge Academy.

b. Places of public amusement and activity. Whether indoors or outdoors, including but not limited to amusement parks, carnivals, water parks, licensed public or private swimming pools, splash pads, aquariums, zoos, museums, arcades, fairs, children's play centers, playgrounds, funplexes, theme parks, bowling alleys, movie and other theaters, concert and music halls, country clubs, social clubs, and gyms and fitness centers.

c. Salons and spas. This includes, but is not limited to, hair salons, barber shops, nail salons, day spas, electrolysis providers, waxing salons, eyebrow-care establishments, tattoo parlors, body art establishments, and tanning facilities.

 

Everybody else, go to work, go to the grocery store, go to the hardware store, go to the auto care shop, go to the laudromat, go to the bank, and make the trip down to Illinois to buy your dope because that is essential although it may not be legal. I have it on good authority that you are much more likely to catch this bug on a golf course than you would a laundromat. Trust me.

 

One question, is there a difference between a tattoo parlor and a body art establishment? Regardless, I'm really glad they listed both for those of us who are unsure.

 

I believe that "body art establishments" are places that typically specialize in piercings.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

We have 457 people with confirmed positive tests, with what...less than 10 deaths right? How exactly are we going to get to ONE THOUSAND deaths in the next two weeks? Using those numbers, the amount of positive tests would have to multiple by FIFTY with the current death rate to reach 1000 deaths in two weeks. I'm sorry but I find that to be very difficult to believe.

 

 

We shalt be saved!

 

Direct from Safer at Home order.

 

4. Closures. All of the following facilities shall be closed:

a. Public and private K-12 schools and public libraries. Except for facilitating distance learning or virtual learning, public and private K-12 schools are closed for pupil instruction and extracurricular activities. Libraries shall close for all in-person services, but may continue to provide on-line services and programming. Schools and public libraries may be used for Essential Government Functions and food distribution. This

section does not apply to facilities operated by the Wisconsin Department of Corrections or the Department of Military Affairs including the Challenge Academy.

b. Places of public amusement and activity. Whether indoors or outdoors, including but not limited to amusement parks, carnivals, water parks, licensed public or private swimming pools, splash pads, aquariums, zoos, museums, arcades, fairs, children's play centers, playgrounds, funplexes, theme parks, bowling alleys, movie and other theaters, concert and music halls, country clubs, social clubs, and gyms and fitness centers.

c. Salons and spas. This includes, but is not limited to, hair salons, barber shops, nail salons, day spas, electrolysis providers, waxing salons, eyebrow-care establishments, tattoo parlors, body art establishments, and tanning facilities.

 

Everybody else, go to work, go to the grocery store, go to the hardware store, go to the auto care shop, go to the laudromat, go to the bank, and make the trip down to Illinois to buy your dope because that is essential although it may not be legal. I have it on good authority that you are much more likely to catch this bug on a golf course than you would a laundromat. Trust me.

 

One question, is there a difference between a tattoo parlor and a body art establishment? Regardless, I'm really glad they listed both for those of us who are unsure.

 

I believe that "body art establishments" are places that typically specialize in piercings.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

We have 457 people with confirmed positive tests, with what...less than 10 deaths right? How exactly are we going to get to ONE THOUSAND deaths in the next two weeks? Using those numbers, the amount of positive tests would have to multiple by FIFTY with the current death rate to reach 1000 deaths in two weeks. I'm sorry but I find that to be very difficult to believe.

 

 

We shalt be saved!

 

Direct from Safer at Home order.

 

4. Closures. All of the following facilities shall be closed:

a. Public and private K-12 schools and public libraries. Except for facilitating distance learning or virtual learning, public and private K-12 schools are closed for pupil instruction and extracurricular activities. Libraries shall close for all in-person services, but may continue to provide on-line services and programming. Schools and public libraries may be used for Essential Government Functions and food distribution. This

section does not apply to facilities operated by the Wisconsin Department of Corrections or the Department of Military Affairs including the Challenge Academy.

b. Places of public amusement and activity. Whether indoors or outdoors, including but not limited to amusement parks, carnivals, water parks, licensed public or private swimming pools, splash pads, aquariums, zoos, museums, arcades, fairs, children's play centers, playgrounds, funplexes, theme parks, bowling alleys, movie and other theaters, concert and music halls, country clubs, social clubs, and gyms and fitness centers.

c. Salons and spas. This includes, but is not limited to, hair salons, barber shops, nail salons, day spas, electrolysis providers, waxing salons, eyebrow-care establishments, tattoo parlors, body art establishments, and tanning facilities.

 

Everybody else, go to work, go to the grocery store, go to the hardware store, go to the auto care shop, go to the laudromat, go to the bank, and make the trip down to Illinois to buy your dope because that is essential although it may not be legal. I have it on good authority that you are much more likely to catch this bug on a golf course than you would a laundromat. Trust me.

 

One question, is there a difference between a tattoo parlor and a body art establishment? Regardless, I'm really glad they listed both for those of us who are unsure.

 

There are two sides to this. I am complying but have to admit it's not causing a great amount of distress to my family. If your household income dropped to 0 overnight it's not as easy to sit back and ride out the storm. People earning low hourly wages who are one check away from the street, I'm not going to judge them for feeling like they have to do something. It's a terrible situation. Many of the exemptions you list have been proactive in closing anyway. We need some daycares to stay open.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

We have 457 people with confirmed positive tests, with what...less than 10 deaths right? How exactly are we going to get to ONE THOUSAND deaths in the next two weeks? Using those numbers, the amount of positive tests would have to multiple by FIFTY with the current death rate to reach 1000 deaths in two weeks. I'm sorry but I find that to be very difficult to believe.

 

 

We shalt be saved!

 

Direct from Safer at Home order.

 

4. Closures. All of the following facilities shall be closed:

a. Public and private K-12 schools and public libraries. Except for facilitating distance learning or virtual learning, public and private K-12 schools are closed for pupil instruction and extracurricular activities. Libraries shall close for all in-person services, but may continue to provide on-line services and programming. Schools and public libraries may be used for Essential Government Functions and food distribution. This

section does not apply to facilities operated by the Wisconsin Department of Corrections or the Department of Military Affairs including the Challenge Academy.

b. Places of public amusement and activity. Whether indoors or outdoors, including but not limited to amusement parks, carnivals, water parks, licensed public or private swimming pools, splash pads, aquariums, zoos, museums, arcades, fairs, children's play centers, playgrounds, funplexes, theme parks, bowling alleys, movie and other theaters, concert and music halls, country clubs, social clubs, and gyms and fitness centers.

c. Salons and spas. This includes, but is not limited to, hair salons, barber shops, nail salons, day spas, electrolysis providers, waxing salons, eyebrow-care establishments, tattoo parlors, body art establishments, and tanning facilities.

 

Everybody else, go to work, go to the grocery store, go to the hardware store, go to the auto care shop, go to the laudromat, go to the bank, and make the trip down to Illinois to buy your dope because that is essential although it may not be legal. I have it on good authority that you are much more likely to catch this bug on a golf course than you would a laundromat. Trust me.

 

One question, is there a difference between a tattoo parlor and a body art establishment? Regardless, I'm really glad they listed both for those of us who are unsure.

 

There are two sides to this. I am complying but have to admit it's not causing a great amount of distress to my family. If your household income dropped to 0 overnight it's not as easy to sit back and ride out the storm. People earning low hourly wages who are one check away from the street, I'm not going to judge them for feeling like they have to do something. It's a terrible situation. Many of the exemptions you list have been proactive in closing anyway. We need some daycares to stay open.

[JosephC]

We have 457 people with confirmed positive tests, with what...less than 10 deaths right? How exactly are we going to get to ONE THOUSAND deaths in the next two weeks? Using those numbers, the amount of positive tests would have to multiple by FIFTY with the current death rate to reach 1000 deaths in two weeks. I'm sorry but I find that to be very difficult to believe.

 

 

We shalt be saved!

 

Direct from Safer at Home order.

 

4. Closures. All of the following facilities shall be closed:

a. Public and private K-12 schools and public libraries. Except for facilitating distance learning or virtual learning, public and private K-12 schools are closed for pupil instruction and extracurricular activities. Libraries shall close for all in-person services, but may continue to provide on-line services and programming. Schools and public libraries may be used for Essential Government Functions and food distribution. This

section does not apply to facilities operated by the Wisconsin Department of Corrections or the Department of Military Affairs including the Challenge Academy.

b. Places of public amusement and activity. Whether indoors or outdoors, including but not limited to amusement parks, carnivals, water parks, licensed public or private swimming pools, splash pads, aquariums, zoos, museums, arcades, fairs, children's play centers, playgrounds, funplexes, theme parks, bowling alleys, movie and other theaters, concert and music halls, country clubs, social clubs, and gyms and fitness centers.

c. Salons and spas. This includes, but is not limited to, hair salons, barber shops, nail salons, day spas, electrolysis providers, waxing salons, eyebrow-care establishments, tattoo parlors, body art establishments, and tanning facilities.

 

Everybody else, go to work, go to the grocery store, go to the hardware store, go to the auto care shop, go to the laudromat, go to the bank, and make the trip down to Illinois to buy your dope because that is essential although it may not be legal. I have it on good authority that you are much more likely to catch this bug on a golf course than you would a laundromat. Trust me.

 

One question, is there a difference between a tattoo parlor and a body art establishment? Regardless, I'm really glad they listed both for those of us who are unsure.

 

I believe that "body art establishments" are places that typically specialize in piercings.

 

Yes, but I was under the impression that tattoos are body art, so wouldn't a tattoo parlor be classified as a body art establishment?

[JosephC]

We have 457 people with confirmed positive tests, with what...less than 10 deaths right? How exactly are we going to get to ONE THOUSAND deaths in the next two weeks? Using those numbers, the amount of positive tests would have to multiple by FIFTY with the current death rate to reach 1000 deaths in two weeks. I'm sorry but I find that to be very difficult to believe.

 

 

We shalt be saved!

 

Direct from Safer at Home order.

 

4. Closures. All of the following facilities shall be closed:

a. Public and private K-12 schools and public libraries. Except for facilitating distance learning or virtual learning, public and private K-12 schools are closed for pupil instruction and extracurricular activities. Libraries shall close for all in-person services, but may continue to provide on-line services and programming. Schools and public libraries may be used for Essential Government Functions and food distribution. This

section does not apply to facilities operated by the Wisconsin Department of Corrections or the Department of Military Affairs including the Challenge Academy.

b. Places of public amusement and activity. Whether indoors or outdoors, including but not limited to amusement parks, carnivals, water parks, licensed public or private swimming pools, splash pads, aquariums, zoos, museums, arcades, fairs, children's play centers, playgrounds, funplexes, theme parks, bowling alleys, movie and other theaters, concert and music halls, country clubs, social clubs, and gyms and fitness centers.

c. Salons and spas. This includes, but is not limited to, hair salons, barber shops, nail salons, day spas, electrolysis providers, waxing salons, eyebrow-care establishments, tattoo parlors, body art establishments, and tanning facilities.

 

Everybody else, go to work, go to the grocery store, go to the hardware store, go to the auto care shop, go to the laudromat, go to the bank, and make the trip down to Illinois to buy your dope because that is essential although it may not be legal. I have it on good authority that you are much more likely to catch this bug on a golf course than you would a laundromat. Trust me.

 

One question, is there a difference between a tattoo parlor and a body art establishment? Regardless, I'm really glad they listed both for those of us who are unsure.

 

I believe that "body art establishments" are places that typically specialize in piercings.

 

Yes, but I was under the impression that tattoos are body art, so wouldn't a tattoo parlor be classified as a body art establishment?

[nate82]

The last I looked the death numbers per 100k people for the US is the same as South Korea at .2.

 

Italy was at 9.4, Spain at 4.9, Iran 2.2, Switzerland 1.4, France 1.3, Netherlands 1.2, UK .5, South Korea .2, US .2 and Germany .1.

 

Deaths per 100k population is a better read on the situation than the total number infected. The US is doing fine right now if the death rate increases to something closer to Iran then I am going to be more concerned with this.

[nate82]

The last I looked the death numbers per 100k people for the US is the same as South Korea at .2.

 

Italy was at 9.4, Spain at 4.9, Iran 2.2, Switzerland 1.4, France 1.3, Netherlands 1.2, UK .5, South Korea .2, US .2 and Germany .1.

 

Deaths per 100k population is a better read on the situation than the total number infected. The US is doing fine right now if the death rate increases to something closer to Iran then I am going to be more concerned with this.

[homer]

Again, the mortality rate is important but there are plenty of people going to the hospital with this that don't die. They are taking up beds/resources from people that also need them (oftentimes for things other than Covid 19) and those people very well could die. Not to mention infecting the caretakers at the hospitals who maybe can't work because they are home sick.

[homer]

Again, the mortality rate is important but there are plenty of people going to the hospital with this that don't die. They are taking up beds/resources from people that also need them (oftentimes for things other than Covid 19) and those people very well could die. Not to mention infecting the caretakers at the hospitals who maybe can't work because they are home sick.

[SoCalBrewfan]

That's kind of like watching a pitcher load the bases and saying, well, nobody's scored yet, I think we're doing just fine. There was a time that Spain might have said the same thing...hey, we aren't nearly as bad off as Italy or Iran. The exponential growth function is a bugger that way. The measures that have been taken might be enough to keep this mild, but it's too early to assume that.

[SoCalBrewfan]

That's kind of like watching a pitcher load the bases and saying, well, nobody's scored yet, I think we're doing just fine. There was a time that Spain might have said the same thing...hey, we aren't nearly as bad off as Italy or Iran. The exponential growth function is a bugger that way. The measures that have been taken might be enough to keep this mild, but it's too early to assume that.

[BMuch25]

Again, the mortality rate is important but there are plenty of people going to the hospital with this that don't die. They are taking up beds/resources from people that also need them (oftentimes for things other than Covid 19) and those people very well could die. Not to mention infecting the caretakers at the hospitals who maybe can't work because they are home sick.

 

While flattening the curve is truly important, not many admit the US is better prepared for this than most other countries. Here is a quote from an economist I follow.

 

"Meanwhile, a 2013 study by the Department of Health and Human Services determined that the US has the most Intensive Care Unit beds per capita of any country at 20-32 per 100,000 people. This is far higher than China where there are only 2.8-4.6, demonstrating why they needed to build hospitals overnight. Likewise, the US far outdoes countries with socialized medical systems like Canada (13.5), Sweden (5.8-8.7), or the UK (3.5-7.4). This means the US is better suited to deal with the healthcare capacity issues that could arise with a Pandemic than virtually any other country in the world."

[BMuch25]

Again, the mortality rate is important but there are plenty of people going to the hospital with this that don't die. They are taking up beds/resources from people that also need them (oftentimes for things other than Covid 19) and those people very well could die. Not to mention infecting the caretakers at the hospitals who maybe can't work because they are home sick.

 

While flattening the curve is truly important, not many admit the US is better prepared for this than most other countries. Here is a quote from an economist I follow.

 

"Meanwhile, a 2013 study by the Department of Health and Human Services determined that the US has the most Intensive Care Unit beds per capita of any country at 20-32 per 100,000 people. This is far higher than China where there are only 2.8-4.6, demonstrating why they needed to build hospitals overnight. Likewise, the US far outdoes countries with socialized medical systems like Canada (13.5), Sweden (5.8-8.7), or the UK (3.5-7.4). This means the US is better suited to deal with the healthcare capacity issues that could arise with a Pandemic than virtually any other country in the world."

[Samurai Bucky]

I have a theory on why Millennials & GenXers are taking this more seriously than other generations:

 

We’re all terrified of a major recession because we’re in (or near) our peak earning years and another economic disruption could permanently throw off our career earnings trajectory. I graduated in the middle of the last recession and it took me 3-4 years to get the type of position/salary that a 2019 grad could have gotten last Spring. Now at age 35, I have what most people would consider a pretty good job and I’m nervous about being forced to start over (but this time with a kid and a mortgage).

From what generation did all of the kids go on spring break this year? I know it is a relative sample size, but people in their late teens / early to mid 20's don't seem to take this as serious as older folks.

[Samurai Bucky]

I have a theory on why Millennials & GenXers are taking this more seriously than other generations:

 

We’re all terrified of a major recession because we’re in (or near) our peak earning years and another economic disruption could permanently throw off our career earnings trajectory. I graduated in the middle of the last recession and it took me 3-4 years to get the type of position/salary that a 2019 grad could have gotten last Spring. Now at age 35, I have what most people would consider a pretty good job and I’m nervous about being forced to start over (but this time with a kid and a mortgage).

From what generation did all of the kids go on spring break this year? I know it is a relative sample size, but people in their late teens / early to mid 20's don't seem to take this as serious as older folks.