COVID-19 Thread

[homer]

What drugs are available?

[PeaveyFury]

What drugs are available?

 

And it's worth noting, the ones that supposedly have positive results are in terribly short supply.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

It's getting kind of funny to me to watch the same people say certain things aren't going to happen, then of course those things do happen, and the goal post of what "can't happen" gets continually pushed back. The Bucks season won't be disrupted, Opening Day is fine, the Olympics can't be moved, they can't lock down restaurants, baseball is going to be played even in the worst-case scenario, etc. Is it that hard for people to stop speaking in such absolute terms, and just hope for the best?

 

It's bad enough we have Lt. Govs of states telling people not to live in fear and essentially disobey the stay home order.

[reillymcshane]

My wife works for a health care system, and she said the data they are getting shows that things will really pick up in 7-14 days, and by mid-April we should see the state's hospital beds completely filled (although hospitals are rapidly trying to increase that capacity).

 

However, there's a huge spectrum of results in all of that. So let's hope it is not nearly as dramatic as it could be. It will really help out if we can keep it from spreading now - and not waiting until things potentially get worse in the next couple of weeks.

[AKCheesehead]

Until airlines are not allowed to transport people all around our country, not much will change. It should’ve been one of the first things shutdown. Screw your vacation. This has spread a lot more than it needed to.

 

Not sure where this belongs, but since I believe it was related to covid-19. I'll put it here. Two nights ago I walked the dog and noticed the constellation Orion (about the only one I know and that is because I can't get enough of the show Ancient Aliens). Anyway, one of Orions feature is Orions belt - 3 stars on nearly a straight line.

 

So as I am scanning the sky I notice to my west 4 stars in a straight line. Thinking that is strange I stared at it for a while and I realized the stars were moving. Not stars, but planes. I followed the line and counted 7 planes in all. Then there was 9 more. I went inside for a while and got curious so about 5-10 minutes later I went back out and saw 7 more. So that was 23 planes that I saw, and who knows how many before or after I quit watching, all on the exact same flight path, spaced about a minute apart.

 

I have no idea what was happening. My first thought was reserves being sent to New York area, or supplies being sent that way. I mentioned it to my neighbors and she said that a pilot friend of hers had talked about all the cancelled flights and her guess was that they were sending all the planes to one airport for storage. She mentioned Indy, but I don't feel like they were heading that far south.

 

So, if it is the latter then at least air travel has been significantly reduced.

 

If you want to find out what planes are in the sky, where they came from, where they’re going, and other info.... flightradar24 is a great site.

[nodakfan17]

The 2020 Summer Olympics are likely postponed, according to an IOC member. Seems to me the most logical move would be to back them up a full year, so as to give ample time for containment of COVID-19 and keep athletes’ calendars as normal as possible.

 

At this point, I think the 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing are 50/50.

[superfly]

As if I needed more reasons to despise our wonderful folks below the southern border, they apparently think this is all fun and games and could use an extra vacation up in the wonderful north woods where my family is from. 51 has been packed ive been told.

 

Thank you in advance to everyone making the arduous trek north and putting the areas elderly population and their small hospitals, including my grandparents at risk. Hopefully your week(s) at the cabin will be well worth the struggle. My family will be missing their granddaughter/great granddaughters first birthday because im staying in minnesota where i belong.

 

Screw off.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

As if I needed more reasons to despise our wonderful folks below the southern border, they apparently think this is all fun and games and could use an extra vacation up in the wonderful north woods where my family is from. 51 has been packed ive been told.

 

Thank you in advance to everyone making the arduous trek north and putting the areas elderly population and their small hospitals, including my grandparents at risk. Hopefully your week(s) at the cabin will be well worth the struggle. My family will be missing their granddaughter/great granddaughters first birthday because im staying in minnesota where i belong.

 

Screw off.

 

I live in the Eagle River/Three Lakes area. The area is currently packed with FIBs. It's pretty terrible.

 

We have 10 ICU beds in the whole county.

 

THE

WHOLE

COUNTY!

[xisxisxis]

What drugs are available?

There are none. Initially several anti-viral drugs already approved for other viruses were hoped to help. I believe 2 have been tried and the results are they FAILED to work as hoped. Both didn't do anything compared to controls to stop COVAD-19. Another hope is the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine. It has been used to treat the parasitic infection that causes malaria. One uncontrolled tiny "study" indicated hydroxychloroquine might help. How an anti-parasitic drug will be better than an anti-viral drug in treating coronavirus is not mechanistically clear. At this point hydroxychloroquine is a YUGE long-shot given that tens of thousands of drugs that show promise in small uncontrolled experiments end up with no positive result when properly tested in large studies. The greatest hope, to date ,was a japanese anti-viral that has been showing very good results with other viral infections and it failed.

 

And for the vaccine rumors. There will be no completely protective vaccine. PERIOD. We have been searching for a vaccine for the common cold forever. The common cold is caused by Rhinovirus, coronavirus (human versions - COVID-19 jumped from animals) and several other viruses. Flu (influenza) has so many variants that when you do get a "yearly" flu vaccine you get many strains that they hope will be the common flu for the year - some years it works well, other years different/new strains are common that they didn't predict. So every year we get new shots for new/existing strains. COVID-19 is a coronavirus that is related to the human coronavirus that causes the "common" cold. There's a reason Fauci always says a vaccine is a long way away.

[ilikewisco]

What's really infuriating to me is all the businesses that deem themselves "essential." This will be the reason we will not contain the spread, and lots of people will be harmed or die because businesses care more about the dollar than their workers or public heath in large. I honestly do not know of any manufacturing business in Wisconsin or Michigan which has closed due to Covid-19.

[thebruce44]

So as I am scanning the sky I notice to my west 4 stars in a straight line. Thinking that is strange I stared at it for a while and I realized the stars were moving. Not stars, but planes. I followed the line and counted 7 planes in all. Then there was 9 more. I went inside for a while and got curious so about 5-10 minutes later I went back out and saw 7 more. So that was 23 planes that I saw, and who knows how many before or after I quit watching, all on the exact same flight path, spaced about a minute apart.

 

I saw the same thing! They were probably satellites all in the same orbit.

 

Could it be SpaceX StarLink?

[MrTPlush]

Many have, ones that have lost incredible demand for their products usually. I know there was a furniture manufacturer in Wisconsin that did, car assembly plants have shut down (though may produce healthcare supplies).

 

Reality is many of those places are essential to keep the supply chain going.

[thebruce44]

What drugs are available?

There are none. Initially several anti-viral drugs already approved for other viruses were hoped to help. I believe 2 have been tried and the results are they FAILED to work as hoped. Both didn't do anything compared to controls to stop COVAD-19. Another hope is the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine. It has been used to treat the parasitic infection that causes malaria. One uncontrolled tiny "study" indicated hydroxychloroquine might help. How an anti-parasitic drug will be better than an anti-viral drug in treating coronavirus is not mechanistically clear. At this point hydroxychloroquine is a YUGE long-shot given that tens of thousands of drugs that show promise in small uncontrolled experiments end up with no positive result when properly tested in large studies. The greatest hope, to date ,was a japanese anti-viral that has been showing very good results with other viral infections and it failed.

 

And for the vaccine rumors. There will be no completely protective vaccine. PERIOD. We have been searching for a vaccine for the common cold forever. The common cold is caused by Rhinovirus, coronavirus (human versions - COVID-19 jumped from animals) and several other viruses. Flu (influenza) has so many variants that when you do get a "yearly" flu vaccine you get many strains that they hope will be the common flu for the year - some years it works well, other years different/new strains are common that they didn't predict. So every year we get new shots for new/existing strains. COVID-19 is a coronavirus that is related to the human coronavirus that causes the "common" cold. There's a reason Fauci always says a vaccine is a long way away.

 

I saw on the news that a man in AZ died from taking hydroxychloroquine and his wife is in critical condition. I won't post a link because the articles and the woman's response is pretty political.

 

Personally, I've got a bottle of expired guaifenesin, an expectorant. I have to imagine that would help with the symptoms.

[xisxisxis]

I saw on the news that a man in AZ died from taking hydroxychloroquine and his wife is in critical condition. I won't post a link because the articles and the woman's response is pretty political.

 

Personally, I've got a bottle of expired guaifenesin, an expectorant. I have to imagine that would help with the symptoms.

They took Chloroquine Phosphate which appears to be used to clean fish tanks.

 

This is an example of natural selection. Darwin thanks you...

[nate82]

What's really infuriating to me is all the businesses that deem themselves "essential." This will be the reason we will not contain the spread, and lots of people will be harmed or die because businesses care more about the dollar than their workers or public heath in large. I honestly do not know of any manufacturing business in Wisconsin or Michigan which has closed due to Covid-19.

 

Manufacturing is definitely essential even if they are not making essential things for the virus. The plants can be retooled for one process to another. Engine parts are still needed, brakes, gears, clothing, etc. these things are still needed and are essential.

 

We havent gone full on autonomous yet so these jobs are still essential.

[ilikewisco]

Many have, ones that have lost incredible demand for their products usually. I know there was a furniture manufacturer in Wisconsin that did, car assembly plants have shut down (though may produce healthcare supplies).

 

Reality is many of those places are essential to keep the supply chain going.

 

I wouldn't count loss of demand as shutting down due to the pandemic, because if there was demand I bet they'd stay open. You can rationalize almost anything as essential, and if everyone is so crucial that the wheels fall off in three weeks of them shutting down, we really need to look at our supply chain. I just feel they are putting people at risk, and I do believe it's driven by greed. Three weeks to play catch up on tests and find hot spots would go a long ways to fight this thing imo.

[FVBrewerFan]

What drugs are available?

There are none. Initially several anti-viral drugs already approved for other viruses were hoped to help. I believe 2 have been tried and the results are they FAILED to work as hoped. Both didn't do anything compared to controls to stop COVAD-19. Another hope is the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine. It has been used to treat the parasitic infection that causes malaria. One uncontrolled tiny "study" indicated hydroxychloroquine might help. How an anti-parasitic drug will be better than an anti-viral drug in treating coronavirus is not mechanistically clear. At this point hydroxychloroquine is a YUGE long-shot given that tens of thousands of drugs that show promise in small uncontrolled experiments end up with no positive result when properly tested in large studies. The greatest hope, to date ,was a japanese anti-viral that has been showing very good results with other viral infections and it failed.

 

And for the vaccine rumors. There will be no completely protective vaccine. PERIOD. We have been searching for a vaccine for the common cold forever. The common cold is caused by Rhinovirus, coronavirus (human versions - COVID-19 jumped from animals) and several other viruses. Flu (influenza) has so many variants that when you do get a "yearly" flu vaccine you get many strains that they hope will be the common flu for the year - some years it works well, other years different/new strains are common that they didn't predict. So every year we get new shots for new/existing strains. COVID-19 is a coronavirus that is related to the human coronavirus that causes the "common" cold. There's a reason Fauci always says a vaccine is a long way away.

 

Hydroxychloroquine is not a huge longshot. True, there have been no detailed study, there's no time for that. But it was a huge success when tried France, State of WA has started using it, and they are very optimistic so far. NY and other states have started experimenting. For the people who are dying, there is nothing to lose. I thin we'll see more widespread use as the week goes on, and it won't be theoretical anymore. We'll know soon if can have a substantial impact on saving lives.

 

It's also irresponsible to say there will be no completely protective vaccine. You don't know that- nobody does. As you said yourself, the flu vaccine each year works against certain strands. It is entirely possible there will evetualy be a vaccine for C-19.

[MrTPlush]

Safer-At-Home goes into effect at 8am tomorrow....will last till April 24th unless another order overrides it.

[homer]

Safer-At-Home goes into effect at 8am tomorrow....will last till April 24th unless another order overrides it.

 

Doesn't appear to be that crazy. No gyms, theaters, dine in restaurants, spas, salons, etc. Just trying to keep people from congregating in large groups.

[FVBrewerFan]

Safer-At-Home goes into effect at 8am tomorrow....will last till April 24th unless another order overrides it.

 

Doesn't appear to be that crazy. No gyms, theaters, dine in restaurants, spas, salons, etc. Just trying to keep people from congregating in large groups.

 

It goes wayyyyyy farther than that. Most manufacturing, retails, service industries. It's not just gyms, restaurants, and salons- we've already been doing that.

[homer]

Safer-At-Home goes into effect at 8am tomorrow....will last till April 24th unless another order overrides it.

 

Doesn't appear to be that crazy. No gyms, theaters, dine in restaurants, spas, salons, etc. Just trying to keep people from congregating in large groups.

 

It goes wayyyyyy farther than that. Most manufacturing, retails, service industries. It's not just gyms, restaurants, and salons- we've already been doing that.

 

This is directly from the Dept of Health

https://evers.wi.gov/Documents/COVID19/EMO12-SaferAtHome.pdf:

 

Closures. All of the following facilities shall be closed:

 

a. Public and private K-12 schools and public libraries. Except

for facilitating distance learning or virtual learning, public and

private K-12 schools are closed for pupil instruction and

extracurricular activities. Libraries shall close for all in-person

services, but may continue to provide on-line services and

programming. Schools and public libraries may be used for

Essential Government Functions and food distribution. This

section does not apply to facilities operated by the Wisconsin

Department of Corrections or the Department of Military Affairs

including the Challenge Academy.

 

b. Places of public amusement and activity. Whether indoors or

outdoors, including but not limited to amusement parks,

carnivals, water parks, licensed public or private swimming

pools, splash pads, aquariums, zoos, museums, arcades, fairs,

children's play centers, playgrounds, funplexes, theme parks,

bowling alleys, movie and other theaters, concert and music

halls, country clubs, social clubs, and gyms and fitness centers.

 

c. Salons and spas. This includes, but is not limited to, hair

salons, barber shops, nail salons, day spas, electrolysis

providers, waxing salons, eyebrow-care establishments, tattoo

parlors, body art establishments, and tanning facilities.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Safer-At-Home goes into effect at 8am tomorrow....will last till April 24th unless another order overrides it.

 

Doesn't appear to be that crazy. No gyms, theaters, dine in restaurants, spas, salons, etc. Just trying to keep people from congregating in large groups.

 

It goes wayyyyyy farther than that. Most manufacturing, retails, service industries. It's not just gyms, restaurants, and salons- we've already been doing that.

 

Not really. I've already gotten notices from multiple places that have been requested by the state to remain open. Daycares and several manufacturers we work with. This is trying to get people to take it seriously and stop congregating together in parks. Plenty of places are allowed to stay open.

[xisxisxis]

It's also irresponsible to say there will be no completely protective vaccine. You don't know that- nobody does. As you said yourself, the flu vaccine each year works against certain strands. It is entirely possible there will evetualy be a vaccine for C-19.

 

And even with a yearly flu vaccine, TENS of millions in the US contract it and 0.1% die from it. That's not completely protective. Yes, even people who get the flu vaccine will get the flu.

 

And it's a strawman argument that something is "possible" that it weighs merit if the likelihood is so low to be functionally zero. No, I can't disprove that space aliens landed and infected us with a novel virus to see how we would respond because I can't prove a negative (like aliens don't exist or they didn't land in Wuhan). The chance a completely protective vaccine is possible is so low that no credible person should use that as a basis to change policy. Policy should be based on highly likely possibilities. Otherwise you just end up killing more people.

 

Hydroxychloroquine is not a huge longshot. True, there have been no detailed study, there's no time for that. But it was a huge success when tried France, State of WA has started using it, and they are very optimistic so far. NY and other states have started experimenting. For the people who are dying, there is nothing to lose. I thin we'll see more widespread use as the week goes on, and it won't be theoretical anymore. We'll know soon if can have a substantial impact on saving lives.

Giving people stuff and expecting either a positive finding or no harm is the reason we need the FDA. Often you harm people while trying to help them. I worked in a biotech company years ago and our first product made it through phase 1 clinical trials, but went down in phase 2 when it actually killed more people than if they received the control treatment. More died with the drug than without! That happens often. Too often to just shrug off the dangers. There's some data from China how to proceed with severe cases, not sure anyone in the US is paying attention because the WHO said it. I have no problem with doctors trying novel approaches when dealing with severely ill people, within certain guidelines. This isn't ebola or SARS, the mortality rate is much lower so the waiving of "experimenting" on patients isn't as justified.

[adambr2]

Safer-At-Home goes into effect at 8am tomorrow....will last till April 24th unless another order overrides it.

 

Doesn't appear to be that crazy. No gyms, theaters, dine in restaurants, spas, salons, etc. Just trying to keep people from congregating in large groups.

 

I suppose if this goes on a few months half the guys out there will be walking around looking like Jesus and the other half will be walking around with bad haircuts that they got from their wives.

[Oxy]

So as I am scanning the sky I notice to my west 4 stars in a straight line. Thinking that is strange I stared at it for a while and I realized the stars were moving. Not stars, but planes. I followed the line and counted 7 planes in all. Then there was 9 more. I went inside for a while and got curious so about 5-10 minutes later I went back out and saw 7 more. So that was 23 planes that I saw, and who knows how many before or after I quit watching, all on the exact same flight path, spaced about a minute apart.

 

I saw the same thing! They were probably satellites all in the same orbit.

 

Could it be SpaceX StarLink?

 

[sarcasm]Impossible[/sarcasm]