Packer Offseason Thread: Latest- Packers Sign Kenny Clark- 4 years/$70 Million

[HiAndTight]

Outside of maybe keeping Ento up to IR him I don't see anything too surprising here, especially if Samuels ends up getting that spot. Thought Taylor would make it (Kumerow probably had to be clearly the No. 4 to make the team and it didn't sound like he really separated from ESB) and didn't think they'd give up on Nijman's upside after adding him to the roster late last year. It will be interesting to see who is added when Martin goes on IR. Tipa or Barnes? Go with a different position like Dexter Williams or Lovett? A different team's cut?

 

 

This is where not being able to watch any of these guys sucks from a fans perspective. Haven't seen any of the CB's this year. Ento looked more like a safety to me last year, but the Packers are obviously very high on him.

WR'er, I'm sure it has to be hard on the coaches as well. St. Brown is a guy Rodgers has talked about(so was Kumerow for what that's worth) and clearly has the upside.

 

And Nijman...that RT spot is going to be a problem for the Packers. At least early in the season with Turner banged up and Wagner coming back from an injury. I'd love to have seen how much progress Nijman had made and if he got any playing time at RT.

 

Should be a real fun opening day, fill with surprises.

 

 

And the Foster signing...seems like a really nice one. Had a really nice stretch to finish his rookie year with a pretty erratic Josh Allen throwing to him. And he has a lot of ability after the catch, a big factor in this scheme(though obviously that's important in any scheme).

 

I expect an obvious regression from last year's 13-3 team, but am still pretty fired up about this team. I think it's very likely they play better on offense...their defense doesn't get quite as many turnovers and they end up with ~10 wins...which could win the division. I do think all 4 teams in the North have a legitimate chance to win the division this year.

[HiAndTight]

Outside of maybe keeping Ento up to IR him I don't see anything too surprising here, especially if Samuels ends up getting that spot. Thought Taylor would make it (Kumerow probably had to be clearly the No. 4 to make the team and it didn't sound like he really separated from ESB) and didn't think they'd give up on Nijman's upside after adding him to the roster late last year. It will be interesting to see who is added when Martin goes on IR. Tipa or Barnes? Go with a different position like Dexter Williams or Lovett? A different team's cut?

 

 

This is where not being able to watch any of these guys sucks from a fans perspective. Haven't seen any of the CB's this year. Ento looked more like a safety to me last year, but the Packers are obviously very high on him.

WR'er, I'm sure it has to be hard on the coaches as well. St. Brown is a guy Rodgers has talked about(so was Kumerow for what that's worth) and clearly has the upside.

 

And Nijman...that RT spot is going to be a problem for the Packers. At least early in the season with Turner banged up and Wagner coming back from an injury. I'd love to have seen how much progress Nijman had made and if he got any playing time at RT.

 

Should be a real fun opening day, fill with surprises.

 

 

And the Foster signing...seems like a really nice one. Had a really nice stretch to finish his rookie year with a pretty erratic Josh Allen throwing to him. And he has a lot of ability after the catch, a big factor in this scheme(though obviously that's important in any scheme).

 

I expect an obvious regression from last year's 13-3 team, but am still pretty fired up about this team. I think it's very likely they play better on offense...their defense doesn't get quite as many turnovers and they end up with ~10 wins...which could win the division. I do think all 4 teams in the North have a legitimate chance to win the division this year.

[CheezWizHed]

I'm not sure how the Lions are close. Chicago has a glimmer of hope, but I think last season showed more of their true colors and they didn't really add much this year.

 

I'm thinking it is a neck-and-neck race with the Vikings.

[CheezWizHed]

I'm not sure how the Lions are close. Chicago has a glimmer of hope, but I think last season showed more of their true colors and they didn't really add much this year.

 

I'm thinking it is a neck-and-neck race with the Vikings.

[adambr2]

Wow, I didn't even realize that Clay Matthews didn't even make a roster.

[adambr2]

Wow, I didn't even realize that Clay Matthews didn't even make a roster.

[CheezWizHed]

I wonder what he needs to sign? I'd imagine he'd be better at MLB than what we have now.

[CheezWizHed]

I wonder what he needs to sign? I'd imagine he'd be better at MLB than what we have now.

[nodakfan17]

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/9/6/21422154/vikings-2020-21-season-predictions

 

Neat article showing the projected starting lineup for each NFC North team along with each player’s PFF score from 2019. Indicates the division race will be tight again.

[nodakfan17]

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2020/9/6/21422154/vikings-2020-21-season-predictions

 

Neat article showing the projected starting lineup for each NFC North team along with each player’s PFF score from 2019. Indicates the division race will be tight again.

[nodakfan17]

Wow, I didn't even realize that Clay Matthews didn't even make a roster.

I think Clay has offset language in his Rams contract, meaning money he earns in 2020 from another team would reduce the amount the Rams still owe him. It’s hard to see him risking his health for the vet minimum if he has nothing to gain in the monetary sense. Maybe he’d consider joining a playoff team in November or December as a pass rush specialist?

[nodakfan17]

Wow, I didn't even realize that Clay Matthews didn't even make a roster.

I think Clay has offset language in his Rams contract, meaning money he earns in 2020 from another team would reduce the amount the Rams still owe him. It’s hard to see him risking his health for the vet minimum if he has nothing to gain in the monetary sense. Maybe he’d consider joining a playoff team in November or December as a pass rush specialist?

[KeithStone53151]

I've paid minimal attention to NFL until yesterday, I forgot that I agreed to play in a fantasy football league after intending not to participate in any this year. I looked at rosters for a couple hours and when I got to the Packers skill positions, I was extremely underwhelmed. It's like we took our receiving corps of Adams and bleh from last year, got rid of our 3rd and 4th best options, and ran it back. Even if Rodgers is indeed primed for an FU year after the draft, he doesn't appear to have the weapons. We seem better setup to run big sets and run and work play action. A lot of 1 and 2 wr sets with 2 te and sometimes 2 rb. I just don't see how our offense is successful unless we run that type of offense.

 

Unless the defense takes a big step forward, this feels like a 7-9 team to me. That's possible I suppose since I know we made it a priority in the off season again.

[KeithStone53151]

I've paid minimal attention to NFL until yesterday, I forgot that I agreed to play in a fantasy football league after intending not to participate in any this year. I looked at rosters for a couple hours and when I got to the Packers skill positions, I was extremely underwhelmed. It's like we took our receiving corps of Adams and bleh from last year, got rid of our 3rd and 4th best options, and ran it back. Even if Rodgers is indeed primed for an FU year after the draft, he doesn't appear to have the weapons. We seem better setup to run big sets and run and work play action. A lot of 1 and 2 wr sets with 2 te and sometimes 2 rb. I just don't see how our offense is successful unless we run that type of offense.

 

Unless the defense takes a big step forward, this feels like a 7-9 team to me. That's possible I suppose since I know we made it a priority in the off season again.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I've paid minimal attention to NFL until yesterday, I forgot that I agreed to play in a fantasy football league after intending not to participate in any this year. I looked at rosters for a couple hours and when I got to the Packers skill positions, I was extremely underwhelmed. It's like we took our receiving corps of Adams and bleh from last year, got rid of our 3rd and 4th best options, and ran it back. Even if Rodgers is indeed primed for an FU year after the draft, he doesn't appear to have the weapons. We seem better setup to run big sets and run and work play action. A lot of 1 and 2 wr sets with 2 te and sometimes 2 rb. I just don't see how our offense is successful unless we run that type of offense.

 

Unless the defense takes a big step forward, this feels like a 7-9 team to me. That's possible I suppose since I know we made it a priority in the off season again.

 

How does a team that didn't really lose anything of note personnel wise in the offseason (besides maybe Bulaga) take a 6-game swing record-wise? And who are you saying are the 3rd and 4th best options? Allison and Kumerow? Graham? Those guys are very, very replaceable.

 

I mean, I understand the idea that last year's team perhaps outperformed its talent level, but 7-9? Really?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I've paid minimal attention to NFL until yesterday, I forgot that I agreed to play in a fantasy football league after intending not to participate in any this year. I looked at rosters for a couple hours and when I got to the Packers skill positions, I was extremely underwhelmed. It's like we took our receiving corps of Adams and bleh from last year, got rid of our 3rd and 4th best options, and ran it back. Even if Rodgers is indeed primed for an FU year after the draft, he doesn't appear to have the weapons. We seem better setup to run big sets and run and work play action. A lot of 1 and 2 wr sets with 2 te and sometimes 2 rb. I just don't see how our offense is successful unless we run that type of offense.

 

Unless the defense takes a big step forward, this feels like a 7-9 team to me. That's possible I suppose since I know we made it a priority in the off season again.

 

How does a team that didn't really lose anything of note personnel wise in the offseason (besides maybe Bulaga) take a 6-game swing record-wise? And who are you saying are the 3rd and 4th best options? Allison and Kumerow? Graham? Those guys are very, very replaceable.

 

I mean, I understand the idea that last year's team perhaps outperformed its talent level, but 7-9? Really?

[adambr2]

I've paid minimal attention to NFL until yesterday, I forgot that I agreed to play in a fantasy football league after intending not to participate in any this year. I looked at rosters for a couple hours and when I got to the Packers skill positions, I was extremely underwhelmed. It's like we took our receiving corps of Adams and bleh from last year, got rid of our 3rd and 4th best options, and ran it back. Even if Rodgers is indeed primed for an FU year after the draft, he doesn't appear to have the weapons. We seem better setup to run big sets and run and work play action. A lot of 1 and 2 wr sets with 2 te and sometimes 2 rb. I just don't see how our offense is successful unless we run that type of offense.

 

Unless the defense takes a big step forward, this feels like a 7-9 team to me. That's possible I suppose since I know we made it a priority in the off season again.

 

I'm not very high on this team as well. The 2020 draft is still an absolute beffudlement no matter how we try to spin it. They did nothing to improve for this year for a team that is already extremely likely to regress from the unit that got blown out twice by the 49ers.

 

The only way I can see us seriously competing in the NFC is if the run defense improves drastically and Aaron Rodgers finds his old MVP form.

[adambr2]

I've paid minimal attention to NFL until yesterday, I forgot that I agreed to play in a fantasy football league after intending not to participate in any this year. I looked at rosters for a couple hours and when I got to the Packers skill positions, I was extremely underwhelmed. It's like we took our receiving corps of Adams and bleh from last year, got rid of our 3rd and 4th best options, and ran it back. Even if Rodgers is indeed primed for an FU year after the draft, he doesn't appear to have the weapons. We seem better setup to run big sets and run and work play action. A lot of 1 and 2 wr sets with 2 te and sometimes 2 rb. I just don't see how our offense is successful unless we run that type of offense.

 

Unless the defense takes a big step forward, this feels like a 7-9 team to me. That's possible I suppose since I know we made it a priority in the off season again.

 

I'm not very high on this team as well. The 2020 draft is still an absolute beffudlement no matter how we try to spin it. They did nothing to improve for this year for a team that is already extremely likely to regress from the unit that got blown out twice by the 49ers.

 

The only way I can see us seriously competing in the NFC is if the run defense improves drastically and Aaron Rodgers finds his old MVP form.

[adambr2]

I've paid minimal attention to NFL until yesterday, I forgot that I agreed to play in a fantasy football league after intending not to participate in any this year. I looked at rosters for a couple hours and when I got to the Packers skill positions, I was extremely underwhelmed. It's like we took our receiving corps of Adams and bleh from last year, got rid of our 3rd and 4th best options, and ran it back. Even if Rodgers is indeed primed for an FU year after the draft, he doesn't appear to have the weapons. We seem better setup to run big sets and run and work play action. A lot of 1 and 2 wr sets with 2 te and sometimes 2 rb. I just don't see how our offense is successful unless we run that type of offense.

 

Unless the defense takes a big step forward, this feels like a 7-9 team to me. That's possible I suppose since I know we made it a priority in the off season again.

 

How does a team that didn't really lose anything of note personnel wise in the offseason (besides maybe Bulaga) take a 6-game swing record-wise? And who are you saying are the 3rd and 4th best options? Allison and Kumerow? Graham? Those guys are very, very replaceable.

 

I mean, I understand the idea that last year's team perhaps outperformed its talent level, but 7-9? Really?

 

Bulaga is potentially a pretty significant loss.

 

I think 8-8 or 9-7, but a 6 win swing isn't out of the question. They took a 6 win swing last year. Are you really confident that the 2020 Packers are significantly more talented personnel wise than '17 and '18?

[adambr2]

I've paid minimal attention to NFL until yesterday, I forgot that I agreed to play in a fantasy football league after intending not to participate in any this year. I looked at rosters for a couple hours and when I got to the Packers skill positions, I was extremely underwhelmed. It's like we took our receiving corps of Adams and bleh from last year, got rid of our 3rd and 4th best options, and ran it back. Even if Rodgers is indeed primed for an FU year after the draft, he doesn't appear to have the weapons. We seem better setup to run big sets and run and work play action. A lot of 1 and 2 wr sets with 2 te and sometimes 2 rb. I just don't see how our offense is successful unless we run that type of offense.

 

Unless the defense takes a big step forward, this feels like a 7-9 team to me. That's possible I suppose since I know we made it a priority in the off season again.

 

How does a team that didn't really lose anything of note personnel wise in the offseason (besides maybe Bulaga) take a 6-game swing record-wise? And who are you saying are the 3rd and 4th best options? Allison and Kumerow? Graham? Those guys are very, very replaceable.

 

I mean, I understand the idea that last year's team perhaps outperformed its talent level, but 7-9? Really?

 

Bulaga is potentially a pretty significant loss.

 

I think 8-8 or 9-7, but a 6 win swing isn't out of the question. They took a 6 win swing last year. Are you really confident that the 2020 Packers are significantly more talented personnel wise than '17 and '18?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Are you really confident that the 2020 Packers are significantly more talented personnel wise than '17 and '18?

 

Coaching-wise, yes. That's where the improvement came from last year, and how I expect them to compete this year. Save for an injury to a key player (Rodgers, Jones, Adams, Clark), I expect this team to be firmly in the playoff hunt again. I think 10-6 or 11-5 is probably the sweet spot.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Are you really confident that the 2020 Packers are significantly more talented personnel wise than '17 and '18?

 

Coaching-wise, yes. That's where the improvement came from last year, and how I expect them to compete this year. Save for an injury to a key player (Rodgers, Jones, Adams, Clark), I expect this team to be firmly in the playoff hunt again. I think 10-6 or 11-5 is probably the sweet spot.

[KeithStone53151]

I've paid minimal attention to NFL until yesterday, I forgot that I agreed to play in a fantasy football league after intending not to participate in any this year. I looked at rosters for a couple hours and when I got to the Packers skill positions, I was extremely underwhelmed. It's like we took our receiving corps of Adams and bleh from last year, got rid of our 3rd and 4th best options, and ran it back. Even if Rodgers is indeed primed for an FU year after the draft, he doesn't appear to have the weapons. We seem better setup to run big sets and run and work play action. A lot of 1 and 2 wr sets with 2 te and sometimes 2 rb. I just don't see how our offense is successful unless we run that type of offense.

 

Unless the defense takes a big step forward, this feels like a 7-9 team to me. That's possible I suppose since I know we made it a priority in the off season again.

 

How does a team that didn't really lose anything of note personnel wise in the offseason (besides maybe Bulaga) take a 6-game swing record-wise? And who are you saying are the 3rd and 4th best options? Allison and Kumerow? Graham? Those guys are very, very replaceable.

 

I mean, I understand the idea that last year's team perhaps outperformed its talent level, but 7-9? Really?

 

Last years team was not a 13-3 team. They probably played to the caliber of a 9-7 or 10-6 team but had a few breaks go their way. I just don't see how we're going to score enough. The only way this team can get to that 10-6 level again is if we can keep teams in the teens in scoring pretty consistently.

 

I was referring to Allison and Kumerow. I'm aware they are replaceable, but the guys replacing them are slightly worse players on paper...and those 2 guys really aren't very good to begin with. We appear to be embarrassingly bad at WR beyond Adams. I'm not really counting Graham as our 2 young tight ends will probably be as good or better than him. Unless some of the young wr take a massive step forward, or one or both of our young tight ends break out in a big way...we're going to struggle to score.

[KeithStone53151]

I've paid minimal attention to NFL until yesterday, I forgot that I agreed to play in a fantasy football league after intending not to participate in any this year. I looked at rosters for a couple hours and when I got to the Packers skill positions, I was extremely underwhelmed. It's like we took our receiving corps of Adams and bleh from last year, got rid of our 3rd and 4th best options, and ran it back. Even if Rodgers is indeed primed for an FU year after the draft, he doesn't appear to have the weapons. We seem better setup to run big sets and run and work play action. A lot of 1 and 2 wr sets with 2 te and sometimes 2 rb. I just don't see how our offense is successful unless we run that type of offense.

 

Unless the defense takes a big step forward, this feels like a 7-9 team to me. That's possible I suppose since I know we made it a priority in the off season again.

 

How does a team that didn't really lose anything of note personnel wise in the offseason (besides maybe Bulaga) take a 6-game swing record-wise? And who are you saying are the 3rd and 4th best options? Allison and Kumerow? Graham? Those guys are very, very replaceable.

 

I mean, I understand the idea that last year's team perhaps outperformed its talent level, but 7-9? Really?

 

Last years team was not a 13-3 team. They probably played to the caliber of a 9-7 or 10-6 team but had a few breaks go their way. I just don't see how we're going to score enough. The only way this team can get to that 10-6 level again is if we can keep teams in the teens in scoring pretty consistently.

 

I was referring to Allison and Kumerow. I'm aware they are replaceable, but the guys replacing them are slightly worse players on paper...and those 2 guys really aren't very good to begin with. We appear to be embarrassingly bad at WR beyond Adams. I'm not really counting Graham as our 2 young tight ends will probably be as good or better than him. Unless some of the young wr take a massive step forward, or one or both of our young tight ends break out in a big way...we're going to struggle to score.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I've paid minimal attention to NFL until yesterday, I forgot that I agreed to play in a fantasy football league after intending not to participate in any this year. I looked at rosters for a couple hours and when I got to the Packers skill positions, I was extremely underwhelmed. It's like we took our receiving corps of Adams and bleh from last year, got rid of our 3rd and 4th best options, and ran it back. Even if Rodgers is indeed primed for an FU year after the draft, he doesn't appear to have the weapons. We seem better setup to run big sets and run and work play action. A lot of 1 and 2 wr sets with 2 te and sometimes 2 rb. I just don't see how our offense is successful unless we run that type of offense.

 

Unless the defense takes a big step forward, this feels like a 7-9 team to me. That's possible I suppose since I know we made it a priority in the off season again.

 

How does a team that didn't really lose anything of note personnel wise in the offseason (besides maybe Bulaga) take a 6-game swing record-wise? And who are you saying are the 3rd and 4th best options? Allison and Kumerow? Graham? Those guys are very, very replaceable.

 

I mean, I understand the idea that last year's team perhaps outperformed its talent level, but 7-9? Really?

 

Last years team was not a 13-3 team. They probably played to the caliber of a 9-7 or 10-6 team but had a few breaks go their way. I just don't see how we're going to score enough. The only way this team can get to that 10-6 level again is if we can keep teams in the teens in scoring pretty consistently.

 

I was referring to Allison and Kumerow. I'm aware they are replaceable, but the guys replacing them are slightly worse players on paper...and those 2 guys really aren't very good to begin with. We appear to be embarrassingly bad at WR beyond Adams. I'm not really counting Graham as our 2 young tight ends will probably be as good or better than him. Unless some of the young wr take a massive step forward, or one or both of our young tight ends break out in a big way...we're going to struggle to score.

 

Allison and Kumerow were steady players, with zero upside. MVS is about as unsteady as you can get, but the upside is substantial. ESB is pretty much a blank slate right now. He flashed some ability his rookie year, but was not consistent enough to get any sort of read on. I would say that saying the WR corp is "embarrassingly bad" would be accurate if you are going by name recognition. But when looking at talent, it's there. The chance they are taking, though, is depending on those two young guys to take a big jump.

 

The thing is, the offense didn't struggle to score too badly with Adams and a bunch of bums at WR last year, and with a very over-the-hill Graham clogging up the TE spot. Heck, they were better when Adams was missing, with Lazard and the RBs leading the way in the passing game. I don't see how they are going to suddenly struggle now.