Packer Offseason Thread: Latest- Packers Sign Kenny Clark- 4 years/$70 Million

[PeaveyFury]

I loved the Dillon pick from the start. All I kept seeing was it was a waste because we have Jones but this guy is absolutely nothing like Jones. Lots of physical freaks don't hack it in the NFL for one reason or another but he is exactly the kind of weapon I've wanted them to have for a long time.

 

Obviously, this draft will be made or broken based on what Love does, but I have a strong suspicion that Dillon will look like a massive steal within a year or two.

[GAME05]

I've watched a lot of Dillon tape and to me his balance is the most impressive. I don't see Dillon running right through people ala Jerome Bettis, but more being able to stay upright and move forward again quickly if he's not hit squarely. He's closer to a ballet dancer than a steamroller.

 

He's a really nice opposite-compliment to Jones. I think we'll see a lot of games where one does poorly and the other does well, just based on the LBs the Packers face that week.

 

I hope Jonathan Taylor's fumble problems don't follow him. I worry he'll be one of those guys who is otherwise-great with loads of talent, but won't get put on the field since he'll turn the ball over.

[HiAndTight]

I've watched a lot of Dillon tape and to me his balance is the most impressive. I don't see Dillon running right through people ala Jerome Bettis, but more being able to stay upright and move forward again quickly if he's not hit squarely. He's closer to a ballet dancer than a steamroller.

 

He's a really nice opposite-compliment to Jones. I think we'll see a lot of games where one does poorly and the other does well, just based on the LBs the Packers face that week.

 

I hope Jonathan Taylor's fumble problems don't follow him. I worry he'll be one of those guys who is otherwise-great with loads of talent, but won't get put on the field since he'll turn the ball over.

 

 

Taylor's going to be the best back in this class if he can get the fumbling under control. I knew he was going to go in a spot that was unrealistic for us....too early for a 1st, wouldn't last until the 2nd, but his patience, his vision and then just the physical abilities. I think he's going to be a monster in the NFL.

[HiAndTight]

I loved the Dillon pick from the start. All I kept seeing was it was a waste because we have Jones but this guy is absolutely nothing like Jones. Lots of physical freaks don't hack it in the NFL for one reason or another but he is exactly the kind of weapon I've wanted them to have for a long time.

 

I didn't care about it beacuse we had Jones. I'd be shocked if Jones starts 16 games next year again. I would plan on him missing a handful, so I was hoping we'd get a RB at some point. It was more that I didn't know much about Dillon and this was supposed to be a REALLY weak class for RB's after the top 4-5 and he was

 

It was more about just wanting to see a WR'er who could come in and help. Mimms had just gone off the board, I was looking at someone like Duvernay who might not be all that well rounded, but who has the speed to make an impact right away.

 

And sure, lots of physical freaks don't end up doing anything in the NFL...but they usually don't have the resume of a guy like Dillon.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I loved the Dillon pick from the start. All I kept seeing was it was a waste because we have Jones but this guy is absolutely nothing like Jones. Lots of physical freaks don't hack it in the NFL for one reason or another but he is exactly the kind of weapon I've wanted them to have for a long time.

 

I didn't care about it beacuse we had Jones. I'd be shocked if Jones starts 16 games next year again. I would plan on him missing a handful, so I was hoping we'd get a RB at some point. It was more that I didn't know much about Dillon and this was supposed to be a REALLY weak class for RB's after the top 4-5 and he was

 

It was more about just wanting to see a WR'er who could come in and help. Mimms had just gone off the board, I was looking at someone like Duvernay who might not be all that well rounded, but who has the speed to make an impact right away.

 

And sure, lots of physical freaks don't end up doing anything in the NFL...but they usually don't have the resume of a guy like Dillon.

 

By now I think it's become apparent that Gute and Lafleur have a "type" that they look for in WRs, and players like Devin Duvernay just aren't it. They want those big, tall guys with huge catch radiuses ... even in the slot. There were several WRs that fit that bill, but the top guys were taken by the time the Packers were on the clock, and the 2nd tier of them wasn't good enough to warrant a selection in the top two rounds. I think if Mims would have been there, he'd be a Packer. I too was disappointed that they didn't grab a WR, but watching the way the board fell, it was understandable why they did what they did.

[HiAndTight]

I loved the Dillon pick from the start. All I kept seeing was it was a waste because we have Jones but this guy is absolutely nothing like Jones. Lots of physical freaks don't hack it in the NFL for one reason or another but he is exactly the kind of weapon I've wanted them to have for a long time.

 

I didn't care about it beacuse we had Jones. I'd be shocked if Jones starts 16 games next year again. I would plan on him missing a handful, so I was hoping we'd get a RB at some point. It was more that I didn't know much about Dillon and this was supposed to be a REALLY weak class for RB's after the top 4-5 and he was

 

It was more about just wanting to see a WR'er who could come in and help. Mimms had just gone off the board, I was looking at someone like Duvernay who might not be all that well rounded, but who has the speed to make an impact right away.

 

And sure, lots of physical freaks don't end up doing anything in the NFL...but they usually don't have the resume of a guy like Dillon.

 

By now I think it's become apparent that Gute and Lafleur have a "type" that they look for in WRs, and players like Devin Duvernay just aren't it. They want those big, tall guys with huge catch radiuses ... even in the slot. There were several WRs that fit that bill, but the top guys were taken by the time the Packers were on the clock, and the 2nd tier of them wasn't good enough to warrant a selection in the top two rounds. I think if Mims would have been there, he'd be a Packer. I too was disappointed that they didn't grab a WR, but watching the way the board fell, it was understandable why they did what they did.

 

 

I'm not really convinced that's the case. I don't know that you can gleen much from LaFleur's time here. They tried to trade for Emanuel Sanders last year. That certainly doesn't disprove your theory, but he also doesn't fit it. They just haven't invested much capital in the WR'er position since he's gotten here. Their WR'er roster was what it was pretty much by default. It was the same group McCarthy's last year for the most part. And sure, Gute did grab MVS and EQ, but...again, he picked them in the 5th and 6th IIRC?

 

I certainly hope they're not just writing off guys LIKE AB, Hill, Mecole Hardman....smaller, athletic guys with great speed. I'd like to believe that if a Henry Ruggs would have been available to them, they'd have picked him up(maybe not over Love since they seemed to love-Love).

 

Hey...maybe the Packers start 1-4, the season gets suspended, they end up with the 5th pick and they grab Jamar Chase and have a ready made #1 right out of the gate! He'd have been the top Wr'er off the board this year according to most...

[homer]

 

I'm not really convinced that's the case. I don't know that you can gleen much from LaFleur's time here. They tried to trade for Emanuel Sanders last year. That certainly doesn't disprove your theory, but he also doesn't fit it. They just haven't invested much capital in the WR'er position since he's gotten here. Their WR'er roster was what it was pretty much by default. It was the same group McCarthy's last year for the most part. And sure, Gute did grab MVS and EQ, but...again, he picked them in the 5th and 6th IIRC?

 

Also took J'Mon Moore in the 4th round that draft.

[HiAndTight]

 

I'm not really convinced that's the case. I don't know that you can gleen much from LaFleur's time here. They tried to trade for Emanuel Sanders last year. That certainly doesn't disprove your theory, but he also doesn't fit it. They just haven't invested much capital in the WR'er position since he's gotten here. Their WR'er roster was what it was pretty much by default. It was the same group McCarthy's last year for the most part. And sure, Gute did grab MVS and EQ, but...again, he picked them in the 5th and 6th IIRC?

 

Also took J'Mon Moore in the 4th round that draft.

 

 

Oof....that's true. I tried to forget about him. I didn't like him at all. And they did try to sign Allen Robinson.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

I'm not really convinced that's the case. I don't know that you can gleen much from LaFleur's time here. They tried to trade for Emanuel Sanders last year. That certainly doesn't disprove your theory, but he also doesn't fit it. They just haven't invested much capital in the WR'er position since he's gotten here. Their WR'er roster was what it was pretty much by default. It was the same group McCarthy's last year for the most part. And sure, Gute did grab MVS and EQ, but...again, he picked them in the 5th and 6th IIRC?

 

Also took J'Mon Moore in the 4th round that draft.

 

 

Oof....that's true. I tried to forget about him. I didn't like him at all. And they did try to sign Allen Robinson.

 

Every one of those receivers fit the tall, muscular, wide-wingspan narrative except Sanders. While J'Mon isn't as tall as MVS and St. Brown, he's still well put-together at 6'3", 200 lbs. Devin Funchess is the prototype for the sort of receiver the Packers like, so it was no surprise when they grabbed him this offseason. They just signed Malik Turner and claimed Travis Fulgham, who are both 6'2" and over 200 lbs.

 

There were rumors that the Packers were interested in Robbie Anderson, but who knows how true that really was? Anderson would fit that smaller, fast WR mold.

 

The Packers did sign Reggie Begelton out of the CFL this offseason, and he's only 6'0" and 200 lbs, which is on the small side for what they typically go after. It will be interesting to see if he gets a fair shake.

[homer]

More AJ Dillon thigh porn:

 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I was indifferent to them not drafting a WR early. The chances are very high that any rookie WR will contribute less than Allen Lazard with a year under his belt. It took Adams 3 years to really make a difference. I just didn't see a big impact coming from WR unless they brought in an established star. I was OK with them addressing other needs. It shouldn't be that big of a deal to develop who you have when your best WR is Adams. It's not a deep position on the team but I wasn't blowing a gasket when they went somewhere else. Even if it was a QB who won't play.

[CheezWizHed]

I was indifferent to them not drafting a WR early. The chances are very high that any rookie WR will contribute less than Allen Lazard with a year under his belt. It took Adams 3 years to really make a difference. I just didn't see a big impact coming from WR unless they brought in an established star. I was OK with them addressing other needs. It shouldn't be that big of a deal to develop who you have when your best WR is Adams. It's not a deep position on the team but I wasn't blowing a gasket when they went somewhere else. Even if it was a QB who won't play.

 

Yes, but for all the reasons you list, you draft one now so he contributes next year or the year after at least (how long will Adam's stay elite?). Plus with the depth of the class, it seemed like a match made in heaven as good talent would drop down the draft board lower than usual.

[homer]

I think I said this during the draft, but I didn't have a problem with any of the players they took I just felt (based on national consensus) that they took most of them a round too early and I didn't think they needed to trade up for Love. But I'm just some random so what do I know.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I was indifferent to them not drafting a WR early. The chances are very high that any rookie WR will contribute less than Allen Lazard with a year under his belt. It took Adams 3 years to really make a difference. I just didn't see a big impact coming from WR unless they brought in an established star. I was OK with them addressing other needs. It shouldn't be that big of a deal to develop who you have when your best WR is Adams. It's not a deep position on the team but I wasn't blowing a gasket when they went somewhere else. Even if it was a QB who won't play.

 

Yes, but for all the reasons you list, you draft one now so he contributes next year or the year after at least (how long will Adam's stay elite?). Plus with the depth of the class, it seemed like a match made in heaven as good talent would drop down the draft board lower than usual.

 

That's the thing, though. The national pundits saw a lot of depth at the WR position, but we really have no clue how the Packers themselves ranked those guys. It is entirely possible that they didn't see the depth at WR that guys like Todd McShay saw.

[CheezWizHed]

I wasn't applauding or panning the decision to not draft a WR. You can really only judge it later.

 

I'm merely commenting that given the "perfect storm" of positional need and draft depth made for a huge surprise that none was taken. Things were so bad last year, no matter what you think about individual's development possibilities, nearly everyone expected one WR taken in the top 3 rounds.

[LouisEly]

Pettine and OLB coach Mike Smith praising Rashan Gary's offseason work and work ethic, saying he will have a big role with the team this year. Smith with a rant on how some people evaluate pass rushers.:

 

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2020/8/21/21376045/packers-coaches-praise-rashan-garys-offseason-discuss-pass-rusher-evaluation-mike-pettine-mike-smith

 

Josh Jackson moved back to outside boundary corner, early results positive:

 

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2020/8/21/21395891/packers-josh-jackson-is-focusing-solely-on-boundary-cornerback-in-2020

[homer]

A lot of buzz about Kamal Martin too.

[CheezWizHed]

I'm really missing pre-season games. You need a entire truck of salt when you read the beat writers talk about everyone's play... I want to see it with my own eyes.

[HiAndTight]

I'm really missing pre-season games. You need a entire truck of salt when you read the beat writers talk about everyone's play... I want to see it with my own eyes.

 

Same here. I love watching pre-season games. Camp is almost exclusively optimistic stories. So...when you hear about Burks "lack of instincts" being an issue, that is a big more telling.

[pacopete4]

Preseason is something I never enjoyed. Basically a minor league football game for the most part and never got very exciting results. The Packers over the years have been very cautious with their players in them too.

[Outlander]

Wouldn't mind if there was never another preseason game however once fans can go back into the stands they will unfortunately return.

[CheezWizHed]

I think it depends on what you focus on in watching them. If you are watching to see "regular" football and are concerned with wins and losses, then the preseason is worthless.

 

I like watching preseason to see how the young players are developing and who might be legit. Brew4U is right about it being minor league football, but we like watching and discussing our minor league baseball players for the same reason. Its just that this is the only time to actually see those players get a legit time to play.

[LouisEly]

I'm really missing pre-season games. You need a entire truck of salt when you read the beat writers talk about everyone's play... I want to see it with my own eyes.

 

Same here. I love watching pre-season games. Camp is almost exclusively optimistic stories. So...when you hear about Burks "lack of instincts" being an issue, that is a big more telling.

Now that Gutes has restricted media access, I don't think the stories coming out are going to be all sunshine and rainbows.

 

Agree with CWH, I like preseason games because that's where you get to watch the later round draft picks/UDFAs/all those guys who you were so hyped about when they drafted/signed them.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I'm really missing pre-season games. You need a entire truck of salt when you read the beat writers talk about everyone's play... I want to see it with my own eyes.

 

Same here. I love watching pre-season games. Camp is almost exclusively optimistic stories. So...when you hear about Burks "lack of instincts" being an issue, that is a big more telling.

Now that Gutes has restricted media access, I don't think the stories coming out are going to be all sunshine and rainbows.

 

Agree with CWH, I like preseason games because that's where you get to watch the later round draft picks/UDFAs/all those guys who you were so hyped about when they drafted/signed them.

 

Or the team's beat writers are going to have to think outside the box for a couple weeks, instead of recycling the same "projected depth chart and roster" story every few days. I'm a big Packer fan, and even I'll admit that those stories have gotten stale.

[CheezWizHed]

Actually, the projected depth chart ones have been the best so far... Better than the "Bob is in the best shape of his life" that they have been putting out for the last 3-4 weeks. Seems like they hit everyone this year with those articles...

 

The ILB fight is very interesting to me this year. Hopefully Burks stays healthy and "clicks" this year, while Summers could make a big impact simply by improving his tackling skills from last year (preseason showed he was in position, but often bounced off the runner). But my money is on Martin. After reading the post-draft reports on him, I think the Packers got a steal due to Martin's injury and lack of pro-day measurables. Watching these three play in pre-season would've been one major reason to watch.