Brewers sign Gyorko - MLB deal

[patrickgpe]

The payroll thing is really getting annoying, honestly. It's pretty much the same mentality as "I spent $4k on vacation last year, so this year I have to spend at least $4500." It doesn't work that way.

Not really the same. The average players salary increases each year. The value of the franchise went up 200 million least year. I understand that the brewers have other expenses than just payroll though. However I understand, In the last few season they made some significant upgrades to the stadium, renovated their Spring training stadium, bought a single a team, etc. that money does come from somewhere.

 

I get why fans are frustrated, as there has been no dip in attendance and I am a little bit too, but we don’t know the whole financial picture of the team. Nobody wants to win more than mark a, so I’m just hoping this all works out.

[SRB]

The payroll thing is really getting annoying, honestly. It's pretty much the same mentality as "I spent $4k on vacation last year, so this year I have to spend at least $4500." It doesn't work that way.

 

Lack of perspective from fans. The only reason we are (potentially - I still think they could add a significant 3B) looking at at a payroll decrease from 2019 is because we were gifted an amazing signing by Stearns when he went out and got Grandal one a one-year deal. That was a unique signing, and it got us to the playoffs. Can't have something like that happen every year.

[SRB]

The payroll thing is really getting annoying, honestly. It's pretty much the same mentality as "I spent $4k on vacation last year, so this year I have to spend at least $4500." It doesn't work that way.

 

Lack of perspective from fans. The only reason we are (potentially - I still think they could add a significant 3B) looking at at a payroll decrease from 2019 is because we were gifted an amazing signing by Stearns when he went out and got Grandal one a one-year deal. That was a unique signing, and it got us to the playoffs. Can't have something like that happen every year.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The payroll thing is really getting annoying, honestly. It's pretty much the same mentality as "I spent $4k on vacation last year, so this year I have to spend at least $4500." It doesn't work that way.

Not really the same. The average players salary increases each year. The value of the franchise went up 200 million least year. I understand that the brewers have other expenses than just payroll though. However I understand, In the last few season they made some significant upgrades to the stadium, renovated their Spring training stadium, bought a single a team, etc. that money does come from somewhere.

 

I get why fans are frustrated, as there has been no dip in attendance and I am a little bit too, but we don’t know the whole financial picture of the team. Nobody wants to win more than mark a, so I’m just hoping this all works out.

 

The average player salary increasing means jack. The roster is comprised of different guys every year. You can't just look at the payroll and assume that if it's less the team is worse or even has less talented players. There are a bunch of variables that go into that. Hiura is making $583k.

 

The "value" of the team also means jack as it correlates to spending. Less than jack. It's frustrating listening to people continue to say this, and even more so when they're citing completely unsubstantiated estimates from Forbes.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The payroll thing is really getting annoying, honestly. It's pretty much the same mentality as "I spent $4k on vacation last year, so this year I have to spend at least $4500." It doesn't work that way.

Not really the same. The average players salary increases each year. The value of the franchise went up 200 million least year. I understand that the brewers have other expenses than just payroll though. However I understand, In the last few season they made some significant upgrades to the stadium, renovated their Spring training stadium, bought a single a team, etc. that money does come from somewhere.

 

I get why fans are frustrated, as there has been no dip in attendance and I am a little bit too, but we don’t know the whole financial picture of the team. Nobody wants to win more than mark a, so I’m just hoping this all works out.

 

The average player salary increasing means jack. The roster is comprised of different guys every year. You can't just look at the payroll and assume that if it's less the team is worse or even has less talented players. There are a bunch of variables that go into that. Hiura is making $583k.

 

The "value" of the team also means jack as it correlates to spending. Less than jack. It's frustrating listening to people continue to say this, and even more so when they're citing completely unsubstantiated estimates from Forbes.

[tmwiese55]

The payroll thing is really getting annoying, honestly. It's pretty much the same mentality as "I spent $4k on vacation last year, so this year I have to spend at least $4500." It doesn't work that way.

 

Lack of perspective from fans. The only reason we are (potentially - I still think they could add a significant 3B) looking at at a payroll decrease from 2019 is because we were gifted an amazing signing by Stearns when he went out and got Grandal one a one-year deal. That was a unique signing, and it got us to the playoffs. Can't have something like that happen every year.

 

Yea but now that you spent it you have to do it again or you're a cheapskate. I still say let's give that money to Sogard, seems like a good dude. Better he has it than some billionaire. It couldn't possibly make sense to hold it for the future opportunity that comes up. you have to spend it now!!! We need a 3B, 1 yr 30 mil for Arod to come out of retirement, hopefully he's been juicing since he's not tested now, you have to try to win!!!

[tmwiese55]

The payroll thing is really getting annoying, honestly. It's pretty much the same mentality as "I spent $4k on vacation last year, so this year I have to spend at least $4500." It doesn't work that way.

 

Lack of perspective from fans. The only reason we are (potentially - I still think they could add a significant 3B) looking at at a payroll decrease from 2019 is because we were gifted an amazing signing by Stearns when he went out and got Grandal one a one-year deal. That was a unique signing, and it got us to the playoffs. Can't have something like that happen every year.

 

Yea but now that you spent it you have to do it again or you're a cheapskate. I still say let's give that money to Sogard, seems like a good dude. Better he has it than some billionaire. It couldn't possibly make sense to hold it for the future opportunity that comes up. you have to spend it now!!! We need a 3B, 1 yr 30 mil for Arod to come out of retirement, hopefully he's been juicing since he's not tested now, you have to try to win!!!

[CheezWizHed]

Skipped pages 2-8, but this seems like we signed a right-handed Travis Shaw.

[CheezWizHed]

Skipped pages 2-8, but this seems like we signed a right-handed Travis Shaw.

[Matty V]

If you take Gyorko's vs LHP 3 year average and Sogard's vs RHP 3 year average and weight it for 61% RHP, you would get a line of .356/.425, which I have to imagine is very close to league average. Imperfect of course, but not as horrible as one might expect after reading this thread.

Looks like a .781 OPS would be average to slightly above average.

 

MLB 3B 2017-19:

 

I'll take the under on .781. No way do I think that's happening.

[Matty V]

If you take Gyorko's vs LHP 3 year average and Sogard's vs RHP 3 year average and weight it for 61% RHP, you would get a line of .356/.425, which I have to imagine is very close to league average. Imperfect of course, but not as horrible as one might expect after reading this thread.

Looks like a .781 OPS would be average to slightly above average.

 

MLB 3B 2017-19:

 

I'll take the under on .781. No way do I think that's happening.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Wednesday (via Haudricourt): I asked Stearns with the FA market picked over if it's more likely that a trade would be made to make further impact on roster: "I think that's a fair assessment."

 

Thursday: Brewers sign free agent Logan Morrison.

 

Friday: Brewers sign free agent Jedd Gyorko.

 

To Mr. Haudricourt's reporting...

 

 

In Haudricourt's defense, he was simply quoting Stearns. Looks to me like he was 100% accurate. Stearns was the one not being forthright, as both the Morrison and Gyorko deals were likely close to if not already done when he said that.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Wednesday (via Haudricourt): I asked Stearns with the FA market picked over if it's more likely that a trade would be made to make further impact on roster: "I think that's a fair assessment."

 

Thursday: Brewers sign free agent Logan Morrison.

 

Friday: Brewers sign free agent Jedd Gyorko.

 

To Mr. Haudricourt's reporting...

 

 

In Haudricourt's defense, he was simply quoting Stearns. Looks to me like he was 100% accurate. Stearns was the one not being forthright, as both the Morrison and Gyorko deals were likely close to if not already done when he said that.

[Matty V]

Skipped pages 2-8, but this seems like we signed a right-handed Travis Shaw.

 

But without the 4 WAR upside.

[Matty V]

Skipped pages 2-8, but this seems like we signed a right-handed Travis Shaw.

 

But without the 4 WAR upside.

[Matty V]

Gyorko deal is for $2 million. At least if he proves that he's done, it's not a huge commitment.

 

To a team like the Brewers I think that's real money.

 

I would be fine with this as a minor league deal but guaranteeing 2 mil is dumb.

[Matty V]

Gyorko deal is for $2 million. At least if he proves that he's done, it's not a huge commitment.

 

To a team like the Brewers I think that's real money.

 

I would be fine with this as a minor league deal but guaranteeing 2 mil is dumb.

[CheeseheadInQC]

In Haudricourt's defense, he was simply quoting Stearns. Looks to me like he was 100% accurate. Stearns was the one not being forthright, as both the Morrison and Gyorko deals were likely close to if not already done when he said that.

 

Also, Morrison is a minor league contract. That hardly counts as an impact signing.

[CheeseheadInQC]

In Haudricourt's defense, he was simply quoting Stearns. Looks to me like he was 100% accurate. Stearns was the one not being forthright, as both the Morrison and Gyorko deals were likely close to if not already done when he said that.

 

Also, Morrison is a minor league contract. That hardly counts as an impact signing.

[reillymcshane]

I think this is the club's strategy:

 

1. Find value in players. Any players. It's kind of ruthless, but the idea is that if you look at what you lost, and replace it in any way possible.

 

According the Fangraphs, the Brewers produced 24.2 offensive WAR in 2019. Going forward, it's not about replacing Moose or Grandal. But instead reaching that number (or 30.0 WAR or whatever the goal is).

 

If Moose produced 3.0 WAR and Arcia 0.0 WAR, are we worse off if Sogard produces 2.0 WAR and Gyorko produces 1.0 WAR? I'm not trying to say yes or no - just that I think this is how the team is approaching things.

 

2. The team is leaving itself open to future moves to improve the team. Financial flexibility is the value. Obviously, we have a payroll far below last year's number, but that means we can potentially add as needed.

 

The team is setting itself up to add players as needed later on the season. One of the biggest issues that teams face when making trade deadline deals is they can't take on salary. This limits many deals teams can make. I will use the example of JD Martinez a few years ago. When he got dealt to Arizona, hardly anyone was interested in him despite his exceptional bat. Now, his limited ability in the field is one reason - but so was salary. Many teams didn't want to take on the rest of this salary - which was more than $5M. The Dbacks ended up getting him for some minor prospects, and he was a huge addition for them down the stretch.

 

In the end, it allows us to make a few deals without giving away prospects or important players off the roster. It's just us taking on salary.

 

3. It leaves the team open to future moves if things go badly. This is the flip side of #2.

 

If things go badly, a team can really be dragged down by long term contracts. If this happens in 2020, the team can much more easily retool for 2021. Guys like Sogard - on cheap, one year deals - are easy to trade if they are playing well. And if we can't move them, it's easy to reset for 2021 since they are not tied to us long term.

 

Financial flexibility is a huge advantage to any team. I think we are going to try and use it. It's also an excuse to be cheap - but that's been discussed ad nauseam in some other threads.

 

I don't think Milwaukee will be making any major FA moves. I could still see a trade or two happening, maybe a lower tier FA pitcher, but I think Stearns will simply take what he can. If it's not there, he'll roll with what he has. That can be frustrating for fans, but such is life.

[reillymcshane]

I think this is the club's strategy:

 

1. Find value in players. Any players. It's kind of ruthless, but the idea is that if you look at what you lost, and replace it in any way possible.

 

According the Fangraphs, the Brewers produced 24.2 offensive WAR in 2019. Going forward, it's not about replacing Moose or Grandal. But instead reaching that number (or 30.0 WAR or whatever the goal is).

 

If Moose produced 3.0 WAR and Arcia 0.0 WAR, are we worse off if Sogard produces 2.0 WAR and Gyorko produces 1.0 WAR? I'm not trying to say yes or no - just that I think this is how the team is approaching things.

 

2. The team is leaving itself open to future moves to improve the team. Financial flexibility is the value. Obviously, we have a payroll far below last year's number, but that means we can potentially add as needed.

 

The team is setting itself up to add players as needed later on the season. One of the biggest issues that teams face when making trade deadline deals is they can't take on salary. This limits many deals teams can make. I will use the example of JD Martinez a few years ago. When he got dealt to Arizona, hardly anyone was interested in him despite his exceptional bat. Now, his limited ability in the field is one reason - but so was salary. Many teams didn't want to take on the rest of this salary - which was more than $5M. The Dbacks ended up getting him for some minor prospects, and he was a huge addition for them down the stretch.

 

In the end, it allows us to make a few deals without giving away prospects or important players off the roster. It's just us taking on salary.

 

3. It leaves the team open to future moves if things go badly. This is the flip side of #2.

 

If things go badly, a team can really be dragged down by long term contracts. If this happens in 2020, the team can much more easily retool for 2021. Guys like Sogard - on cheap, one year deals - are easy to trade if they are playing well. And if we can't move them, it's easy to reset for 2021 since they are not tied to us long term.

 

Financial flexibility is a huge advantage to any team. I think we are going to try and use it. It's also an excuse to be cheap - but that's been discussed ad nauseam in some other threads.

 

I don't think Milwaukee will be making any major FA moves. I could still see a trade or two happening, maybe a lower tier FA pitcher, but I think Stearns will simply take what he can. If it's not there, he'll roll with what he has. That can be frustrating for fans, but such is life.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Gyorko deal is for $2 million. At least if he proves that he's done, it's not a huge commitment.

 

To a team like the Brewers I think that's real money.

 

I would be fine with this as a minor league deal but guaranteeing 2 mil is dumb.

 

I don't disagree. I personally wouldn't have signed Gyorko at all. All I'm saying is that if he is terrible, his salary is a number they can eat and move on from. If they signed someone like Todd Frazier to a $6-8 million deal, it would be tougher to cut bait if he's terrible.

 

We also have no idea what other interest there was out there in Gyorko. The fact that he signed a MLB deal, and that it wasn't for the minimum, tells me that there must have been other interested parties. That would indicate that a minor league deal wasn't a consideration.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Gyorko deal is for $2 million. At least if he proves that he's done, it's not a huge commitment.

 

To a team like the Brewers I think that's real money.

 

I would be fine with this as a minor league deal but guaranteeing 2 mil is dumb.

 

I don't disagree. I personally wouldn't have signed Gyorko at all. All I'm saying is that if he is terrible, his salary is a number they can eat and move on from. If they signed someone like Todd Frazier to a $6-8 million deal, it would be tougher to cut bait if he's terrible.

 

We also have no idea what other interest there was out there in Gyorko. The fact that he signed a MLB deal, and that it wasn't for the minimum, tells me that there must have been other interested parties. That would indicate that a minor league deal wasn't a consideration.

[Fear The Chorizo]

People realize that if Gyorko was healthy last season, he most likely gets a contract much closer to what Moose got this offseason, right? Dude made $13m last season.

[Fear The Chorizo]

People realize that if Gyorko was healthy last season, he most likely gets a contract much closer to what Moose got this offseason, right? Dude made $13m last season.