Brewers sign Gyorko - MLB deal

[tmwiese55]

This is nothing like the Doug Melvin era. Going off 40-man roster payroll at year end the 2008-2014 era saw us ranked #13-#18 in baseball. The payroll was consistently $90-$100mil with 2014 being an outlier at $110mil before the rebuild started. So the highest payroll number was at the end. The payroll was consistent during his tenure and didn’t dramatically drop while contending.

 

For the record the payroll last ranked #16 in baseball...similar to the payroll rank in Melvin’s days. Currently we are slated to be close to the the 2018 payroll that was #23 in baseball in that respective year.

 

I guess it is disappointing to see us drop so much payroll, but it does take the right situation to spend it. I don’t want to spend money just to spend it. Especially when spending money often means long term teams that handcuff you for years. I guess I don’t have a huge gripe about it before we even play games, but if this team just isn’t that good I think people are right to gripe about how cheap we were this offseason (assuming we don’t make any big moves down the stretch here). It certainly won’t look at that good if these boring signing are just that...boring.

 

Last paragraph is well said IMO. I pretty much agree there and think that's fair for everyone to think.

 

To add to the overall post and convo a bit though. We wouldn't be drastically dropping payroll this year if we hadn't drastically increased it last year. Tough way to phrase that I'm struggling with, but so would it have been better to have not spend it last year that way there's no decrease. In a way one is kind of using one of their best examples of not being cheap (dropping 30+ mil on two FAs in the same offseason) as a way to prove they're now being cheap. hope that makes sense or at least you see what I'm getting at.

 

I'd guess they kind of have a baseline in that 100ish mil area and then obvious flex for the right contracts and opportunities. Safe short deals, sure. multi year deals to old guys that risk year to flex, not so much

[OldSchoolSnapper]

3B is terrible but outside of that, I like what they have done with the roster. I think the offense stands to be just as good and I think it'll be better. I hope they do something else at third, but I think we'll have a competitor again if they don't. 3B makes me gag right now though.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

3B is terrible but outside of that, I like what they have done with the roster. I think the offense stands to be just as good and I think it'll be better. I hope they do something else at third, but I think we'll have a competitor again if they don't. 3B makes me gag right now though.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

It is January 10th. Too early to be griping about the payroll. Let's wait a few months and then I'll be right there with you if its still at this state.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

It is January 10th. Too early to be griping about the payroll. Let's wait a few months and then I'll be right there with you if its still at this state.

[3and2Fastball]

The Brewers came very close to the World Series as recently as 2018, acting like the Marlins run a more effective franchise because they accidentally drafted Pudge Rodriguez 25 years ago is silly.

 

All the more reason to be frustrated that they didn’t take a couple extra steps in adding a few great players in that run. I don’t think counting on Christian Yelich to hit like steroid era Barry Bonds (like he did down the stretch in 2018) is a feasible “plan” moving forwards.

 

The dumpster diving of late is great if it is just adding 40 man depth and AAAA depth. I’m all for that, especially with veteran players. If we really are cutting payroll by this much and are pretty much done adding players, then it has been an incredibly frustrating offseason.

[3and2Fastball]

The Brewers came very close to the World Series as recently as 2018, acting like the Marlins run a more effective franchise because they accidentally drafted Pudge Rodriguez 25 years ago is silly.

 

All the more reason to be frustrated that they didn’t take a couple extra steps in adding a few great players in that run. I don’t think counting on Christian Yelich to hit like steroid era Barry Bonds (like he did down the stretch in 2018) is a feasible “plan” moving forwards.

 

The dumpster diving of late is great if it is just adding 40 man depth and AAAA depth. I’m all for that, especially with veteran players. If we really are cutting payroll by this much and are pretty much done adding players, then it has been an incredibly frustrating offseason.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Dude one team wins it. The team that made the ONE EXTRA MOVE in getting Machado, didn't. The Nationals were written off numerous times last year. It's so much more complicated than people make it out to be with this hindsight stuff.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Dude one team wins it. The team that made the ONE EXTRA MOVE in getting Machado, didn't. The Nationals were written off numerous times last year. It's so much more complicated than people make it out to be with this hindsight stuff.

[JohnBriggs12]

Gyorko's done. Was worse than Shaw last year. This has been a very discouraging off-season.

[JohnBriggs12]

Gyorko's done. Was worse than Shaw last year. This has been a very discouraging off-season.

[Vollbc74]

Our 3B position (including 398 PA from Moose) slashed 209/288/681 last year. I feel pretty confident that we can get better production than that from a Gyorko/Sogard platoon.

[Vollbc74]

Our 3B position (including 398 PA from Moose) slashed 209/288/681 last year. I feel pretty confident that we can get better production than that from a Gyorko/Sogard platoon.

[Jopal78]

Maybe they stretched the payroll in 2019. The payroll now is pretty close to where it was in 2018.

 

I hate to be "that guy", but the value of the franchise is significantly more than it was in 2018. According to Forbes the brewers franchise was worth 1B in 2018 and 1.2B in 2019. Avg salaries have increased too in the last 2 years. I think, fans should be able to expect, atleast a minor increase in payroll.

 

And how many homeowners see a jump in equity in the property and then go out on a spending spree from their checking account? Team value doesn’t equal team revenue. In fact, similar to real estate, team value is mostly a product of location and comps.

[Jopal78]

Maybe they stretched the payroll in 2019. The payroll now is pretty close to where it was in 2018.

 

I hate to be "that guy", but the value of the franchise is significantly more than it was in 2018. According to Forbes the brewers franchise was worth 1B in 2018 and 1.2B in 2019. Avg salaries have increased too in the last 2 years. I think, fans should be able to expect, atleast a minor increase in payroll.

 

And how many homeowners see a jump in equity in the property and then go out on a spending spree from their checking account? Team value doesn’t equal team revenue. In fact, similar to real estate, team value is mostly a product of location and comps.

[TJseven7]

I love the pieces people refer to as dumpster diving.

 

Healy, LoMo, Peterson, Tuffy is dumpster diving. Basically free and with no promise of a MLB roster spot.

Smoak Sogard Lindblom Anderson and Gyorko are dumpster diving?

People seem to forget Garcia too.

 

Fangraphs (imperfect I know) valued Smoak at 43.9 million over the last 3 years. He was paid 16.25 million over the last 3. MKE paid him 5 mil.

Sogard was valued at 24 mil over the last 3 years. MKE pays him 4.5

Lindblom was the Cy Young out of the Korean league. 2018 STL snagged Mikolas out of Japan on an 8.75/1. He throws 2.83 ERA ball and he spins a solid year into 68/4. Then falls to 4.16 ERA. MKE is prospecting much the same on Lindblom. If he hits, they have him locked up unlike STL was able to do on Mikolas.

Brett Anderson was valued at 29.7 mil over the last 3 years. Has been paid upwards of 16 mil a year earlier in his career when he was healthy. MKE 5/1.

Gyorko worth 27.3 million over the last 3 years. Was paid 30 million over the last 3 years. MKE scoops him cheap.

 

I guess what I'm saying is. You all have much nicer dumpsters than I do.

[TJseven7]

I love the pieces people refer to as dumpster diving.

 

Healy, LoMo, Peterson, Tuffy is dumpster diving. Basically free and with no promise of a MLB roster spot.

Smoak Sogard Lindblom Anderson and Gyorko are dumpster diving?

People seem to forget Garcia too.

 

Fangraphs (imperfect I know) valued Smoak at 43.9 million over the last 3 years. He was paid 16.25 million over the last 3. MKE paid him 5 mil.

Sogard was valued at 24 mil over the last 3 years. MKE pays him 4.5

Lindblom was the Cy Young out of the Korean league. 2018 STL snagged Mikolas out of Japan on an 8.75/1. He throws 2.83 ERA ball and he spins a solid year into 68/4. Then falls to 4.16 ERA. MKE is prospecting much the same on Lindblom. If he hits, they have him locked up unlike STL was able to do on Mikolas.

Brett Anderson was valued at 29.7 mil over the last 3 years. Has been paid upwards of 16 mil a year earlier in his career when he was healthy. MKE 5/1.

Gyorko worth 27.3 million over the last 3 years. Was paid 30 million over the last 3 years. MKE scoops him cheap.

 

I guess what I'm saying is. You all have much nicer dumpsters than I do.

[Brewcrewin07]

I thought this was a great question posed to McCalvy on twitter...

 

Adam McCalvy

@AdamMcCalvy

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It's an interesting question. It could be a timeshare at catcher, first base, third base and shortstop. Yet the Brewers are adamant that they intend to contend in 2020.

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@stonebrenner99

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Replying to @AdamMcCalvy

So we're looking at three platoons in the infield? Has anyone ever won with that formula?

[Brewcrewin07]

I thought this was a great question posed to McCalvy on twitter...

 

Adam McCalvy

@AdamMcCalvy

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It's an interesting question. It could be a timeshare at catcher, first base, third base and shortstop. Yet the Brewers are adamant that they intend to contend in 2020.

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GStone

@stonebrenner99

· 49m

Replying to @AdamMcCalvy

So we're looking at three platoons in the infield? Has anyone ever won with that formula?

[TJseven7]

I thought this was a great question posed to McCalvy on twitter...

 

Adam McCalvy

@AdamMcCalvy

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44m

It's an interesting question. It could be a timeshare at catcher, first base, third base and shortstop. Yet the Brewers are adamant that they intend to contend in 2020.

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GStone

@stonebrenner99

· 49m

Replying to @AdamMcCalvy

So we're looking at three platoons in the infield? Has anyone ever won with that formula?

 

Has anyone ever had 26 roster spots?

[TJseven7]

I thought this was a great question posed to McCalvy on twitter...

 

Adam McCalvy

@AdamMcCalvy

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44m

It's an interesting question. It could be a timeshare at catcher, first base, third base and shortstop. Yet the Brewers are adamant that they intend to contend in 2020.

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GStone

@stonebrenner99

· 49m

Replying to @AdamMcCalvy

So we're looking at three platoons in the infield? Has anyone ever won with that formula?

 

Has anyone ever had 26 roster spots?

[Rock hard Brouhard]

I really need to say end of the season 2017 me is delighted by the addition of Gyorko, Healy, Morrison and Smoak...

[Rock hard Brouhard]

I really need to say end of the season 2017 me is delighted by the addition of Gyorko, Healy, Morrison and Smoak...

[gebc1997]

2019 ops vs 2020 potential ops

 

C 841 vs 800 Narvaez/Pina (-41)

1b 808 vs. 825 Smoak/Braun (+17)

2b 884 vs. 900 Hiura. (+16)

3b 681 vs. 730 Sogard/Gyorko (+49)

SS 612 vs 715 Urias/Arcia (103), I’m very bullish on Urias

LF 872 vs 825 Garcia/Braun (-47)

CF 686 vs 725 Cain/Gamel (+39)

RF 998 vs 998 Yelich (-)

DH 396 vs 700 (Many options for 10 games)

 

That’s +142 on aggregate ops increase based on reasonable expectations at each position .

[gebc1997]

2019 ops vs 2020 potential ops

 

C 841 vs 800 Narvaez/Pina (-41)

1b 808 vs. 825 Smoak/Braun (+17)

2b 884 vs. 900 Hiura. (+16)

3b 681 vs. 730 Sogard/Gyorko (+49)

SS 612 vs 715 Urias/Arcia (103), I’m very bullish on Urias

LF 872 vs 825 Garcia/Braun (-47)

CF 686 vs 725 Cain/Gamel (+39)

RF 998 vs 998 Yelich (-)

DH 396 vs 700 (Many options for 10 games)

 

That’s +142 on aggregate ops increase based on reasonable expectations at each position .