Brewers sign Gyorko - MLB deal

[Bnowell4evr]

I'm cautiously optimistic about the Sogard / Gyorko platoon. I'm never excited about bringing in former Cardinals though. Call it PTSD from all the pitching we brought in under Melvin.

[TURBO]

Another signing to add to our growing trash heap of mediocrity.

 

Going into the season with Sogard and Gyorko as our primary third basemen really kind of makes me unexcited for the season. Add them to the mess we have at 1B and I just don't see any improvement offensively to the 2020 team. If Sogard plays for us like he did when we flat out waived him from the team a couple years ago, then what? Healy, Gyorko, and some other scrap heap guy plays the position? I have zero faith in Sogard.

 

You just can't convince me that what has been thrown against the wall in hopes of something sticking, is going to be a playoff contending type team. As the team sits today, I just don't see it.

 

Please, someone convince me otherwise. I'm open to listen.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

If he flops, you're out nothing. Or, maybe he just handles the RH side of a platoon and combine him and Sogard together and you get some pretty solid stats. Very low risk and there is no clear easy better option that doesn't cost 100+ mil

 

Not really, though. Yeah, there is little cost. But if he flops, he's going to hurt the team in a season they are looking to contend. Also, he would be clogging up a spot on the roster, which means they would need to find someone to replace him during the year, which means you are giving up assets in a trade. There is plenty of risk involved in handing a starting spot to a guy coming off injury and an absolute terrible year. This is basically like if the Brewers had decided to hand the starting 2020 3B job to Travis Shaw.

[TURBO]

There is plenty of risk involved in handing a starting spot to a guy coming off injury and an absolute terrible year. This is basically like if the Brewers had decided to hand the starting 2020 3B job to Travis Shaw.

 

To be honest, I'd rather have just resigned Shaw to a one year prove it deal, than to go the route we have chosen.

 

I like those chances better than what we have done so far.

[liveforoctober]

There is plenty of risk involved in handing a starting spot to a guy coming off injury and an absolute terrible year. This is basically like if the Brewers had decided to hand the starting 2020 3B job to Travis Shaw.

 

To be honest, I'd rather have just resigned Shaw to a one year prove it deal, than to go the route we have chosen.

 

I like those chances better than what we have done so far.

 

I think the Brewers would have preferred that in a lot of ways as well, sounds like Shaw wanted the new pasture.

[brewcrewdue80]

Another signing to add to our growing trash heap of mediocrity.

 

Going into the season with Sogard and Gyorko as our primary third basemen really kind of makes me unexcited for the season. Add them to the mess we have at 1B and I just don't see any improvement offensively to the 2020 team. If Sogard plays for us like he did when we flat out waived him from the team a couple years ago, then what? Healy, Gyorko, and some other scrap heap guy plays the position? I have zero faith in Sogard.

 

You just can't convince me that what has been thrown against the wall in hopes of something sticking, is going to be a playoff contending type team. As the team sits today, I just don't see it.

 

Please, someone convince me otherwise. I'm open to listen.

 

Urias could be used at 3b. Arcia back to SS. Should this not pan out.

Maybe even Erceg has improvement and becomes a starter mid season. He does have over 100games at AAA. Ala Grisham takes a jump in to the majors

 

Edit add. I then figured I'd hope to find Erceg a Platoon player but he's batted better vs LHP than RHP the last 2 years.

[Jopal78]

I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop but this is probably getting pretty close to being "it". All of these guys are on major league deals but for Healy:

 

Navarez

Smoak

Hiura

Arcia

Sogard/Gyorko

Yelich

Cain

Braun/Garcia

 

Gamel

Urias

Healy

Pina

 

That's 14 players, which seems about right with a 12 man pitching staff and the new pitching requirements.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Another signing to add to our growing trash heap of mediocrity.

 

Going into the season with Sogard and Gyorko as our primary third basemen really kind of makes me unexcited for the season. Add them to the mess we have at 1B and I just don't see any improvement offensively to the 2020 team. If Sogard plays for us like he did when we flat out waived him from the team a couple years ago, then what? Healy, Gyorko, and some other scrap heap guy plays the position? I have zero faith in Sogard.

 

You just can't convince me that what has been thrown against the wall in hopes of something sticking, is going to be a playoff contending type team. As the team sits today, I just don't see it.

 

Please, someone convince me otherwise. I'm open to listen.

 

Right now this is basically the 2018 team. You have some nice pieces in place, but you are hoping that several league average or below-league average guys have career years. They are taking a lot of flyers. I guess, if anything, they are adding depth and different options, so that if a player flops, they aren't left with nothing the way they have been with Arcia the last couple years.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop but this is probably getting pretty close to being "it". All of these guys are on major league deals but for Healy:

 

Navarez

Smoak

Hiura

Arcia

Sogard/Gyorko

Yelich

Cain

Braun/Garcia

 

Gamel

Urias

Healy

Pina

 

That's 14 players, which seems about right with a 12 man pitching staff and the new pitching requirements.

 

100% agree on your take here. Only way I see it changing is if Arcia would be in a trade. But otherwise it seems pretty well set.

[Soupbone]

Cardinals yesterday trade for a really good LHP. Today we sign an "upside" 3B who hit .174 last year. Who is more excited?

[liveforoctober]

Part of me is very amused at the thought of Stearns running his numbers, deciding Gyorko is a guy who has value yet if factors fall favorably, offering him a deal, then sitting back and smirking as he watches Brewers' fandom writhe in agony over the announcement. His style of roster development, in many ways, is not for the bandwagon fan.

 

I don't like physically saying the name Gyorko, so I am not pleased with this signing. From a baseball standpoint ... a Sogard(Seager!)/Gyorko platoon is cool with me.

[tmwiese55]

If he flops, you're out nothing. Or, maybe he just handles the RH side of a platoon and combine him and Sogard together and you get some pretty solid stats. Very low risk and there is no clear easy better option that doesn't cost 100+ mil

 

Not really, though. Yeah, there is little cost. But if he flops, he's going to hurt the team in a season they are looking to contend. Also, he would be clogging up a spot on the roster, which means they would need to find someone to replace him during the year, which means you are giving up assets in a trade. There is plenty of risk involved in handing a starting spot to a guy coming off injury and an absolute terrible year. This is basically like if the Brewers had decided to hand the starting 2020 3B job to Travis Shaw.

 

Yet again, there is no option that doesn't cost 100 mil that doesn't come with this same risk.

 

I also don't see them 'handing him the starting spot" either. There is likely going to be tons of platooning, mixing and matching and then the person who hits will get more ABs. I would grant they shouldn't be too 'loyal' to him in that they trot him out there for weeks on end if he's doing poorly (like Shaw last year). Don't want to get into that scenario again. This goes to the roster spot too, you just cut him if he flops. So I guess I'd agree on that 'risk', as Counsell can stick with his vets maybe a bit much at times. But, that may also be a factor in why he's done so well overall as a manager in regards to moral, chemistry, etc, in that the players all seem to really like and trust him.

 

Sure, do I wish we could afford more proven or better option. Yea of course, but I realize I'm a Brewers fan.

[wibadgers23]

We haven’t improved at any position this offseason except for maybe SS and even that is a question. There’s no doubt in my mind we are a worse team on paper than last year’s team. Maybe that changes over the next couple months but I have my doubts.

[Ennder]

Cardinals yesterday trade for a really good LHP. Today we sign an "upside" 3B who hit .174 last year. Who is more excited?

 

The Rays who got a career 119 OPS+ player whose only drawback was defense which they can hide since they are in the AL in exchange for a pitcher who couldn't even strike out 1 per inning in A ball and walks too many guys.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

We haven’t improved at any position this offseason except for maybe SS and even that is a question. There’s no doubt in my mind we are a worse team on paper than last year’s team. Maybe that changes over the next couple months but I have my doubts.

 

I’ll take a full year of Hiura over a full year of moose/Shaw. But I see your point.

[bill hAll Star]

I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop but this is probably getting pretty close to being "it". All of these guys are on major league deals but for Healy:

 

Navarez

Smoak

Hiura

Arcia

Sogard/Gyorko

Yelich

Cain

Braun/Garcia

 

Gamel

Urias

Healy

Pina

 

That's 14 players, which seems about right with a 12 man pitching staff and the new pitching requirements.

 

1. I feel like the Brewers will more regularly go with 13 pitchers.

 

2. That probably means Healy is initially the option guy.

 

3. I don't think Urias will be in a bench role. If it really is "this is it" then I guess Healy does make the majors and Urias starts out in AAA.

 

4. If they want to start Urias, I don't see them keeping Arcia around.

 

So I do still think something is coming. But even I am losing the confidence on that.

[MNBrew]

I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop but this is probably getting pretty close to being "it". All of these guys are on major league deals but for Healy:

 

Navarez

Smoak

Hiura

Arcia

Sogard/Gyorko

Yelich

Cain

Braun/Garcia

 

Gamel

Urias

Healy

Pina

 

That's 14 players, which seems about right with a 12 man pitching staff and the new pitching requirements.

Healy IS on the 40-man roster, thus IS on a major-league deal.

 

This seems to be the lower lever, modern/Stearns/data-driven version of Melvin's "nugget mining" that worked so well for a time. At best, I'm hopeful Stearns is onto something in his methods, but overall I'm skeptical about this move. What we're currently lacking in terms of bats, beyond the Garcia signing, is a "sure fire" caliber of acquisition. Of course Grandal, Moose, Yelich, & Cain all happened a few weeks later -- or more -- on the calendar than today's Jan. 11th date.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if waiver claim Ronny Rodriguez loses his 40-man spot with the Gyorko signing.

[MrTPlush]

There is plenty of risk involved in handing a starting spot to a guy coming off injury and an absolute terrible year. This is basically like if the Brewers had decided to hand the starting 2020 3B job to Travis Shaw.

 

To be honest, I'd rather have just resigned Shaw to a one year prove it deal, than to go the route we have chosen.

 

I like those chances better than what we have done so far.

 

I think it is pretty obvious Travis Shaw was not coming back here. So that point is kind of irrelevant because it was not a real option.

 

That being said...yah, I am not exactly too pumped about this team as it really starts to take shape. I suppose the bench looks a little enticing? Maybe the bullpen if Knebel comes back strong? The rotation and lineup both seem to have mediocre ceilings with room to have a pretty low floor. In addition the defense seems particularly concerning. That line up will really need to get elite production from Hiura/Yelich and they need Braun/Narvaez/Cain to complement them.

 

Guess we will see how the next month or so goes. Maybe a bigger splash is still in store.

[liveforoctober]

Cardinals yesterday trade for a really good LHP. Today we sign an "upside" 3B who hit .174 last year. Who is more excited?

 

That 'really good' LHP isn't projected to face major league hitters for another 3 years. Comparing "happiness" of fan bases based on 2 transactions happening in the same 24 period is fireworks fandom. If you are comparing off-season trades for prospects ... the Cardinals traded for Libertore and the Brewers traded for Urias. Who is more excited? I would say I like our guy better.

[wildcat2237]

The Brewers appear to have filled the 3B hole on the cheap.

 

It may mean there is money to spent elsewhere (pitching).

 

It may also mean reports are true that the Brewers are scaling back payroll and dumpster diving to fill homes.

 

If we are scaling back payroll in the middle of a contention window with Yelich, then I am livid.

 

If your going to scale back payroll, and not go for it with Yelich, then trade Yelich and Hader for a prospect haul and compete in 2-3 years.

 

I do, however, have faith in Stearns and his front office.

 

So I believe this 3b signing is all part of a master plan for 2020.

[liveforoctober]

We haven’t improved at any position this offseason except for maybe SS and even that is a question. There’s no doubt in my mind we are a worse team on paper than last year’s team. Maybe that changes over the next couple months but I have my doubts.

 

You think our starting rotation is worse now than what we ended with last year? Come on.

[Ennder]

If Gyorko puts out his 2015-2018 stats he will be a very nice asset on the team. If he slides more towards that 2019 he is obviously not. So hard to know what we got with a lot of these guys until we see them on the field. I personally think this team on paper is better than last years team on paper going into the season. But both of them had huge room for variance.

[MNBrew]

If Gyorko puts out his 2015-2018 stats he will be a very nice asset on the team. If he slides more towards that 2019 he is obviously not. So hard to know what we got with a lot of these guys until we see them on the field. I personally think this team on paper is better than last years team on paper. But both of them had huge room for variance.

If the 2019 version of Gyorko continues into this year, at least he's also easy to move on from.

[wibadgers23]

We haven’t improved at any position this offseason except for maybe SS and even that is a question. There’s no doubt in my mind we are a worse team on paper than last year’s team. Maybe that changes over the next couple months but I have my doubts.

 

You think our starting rotation is worse now than what we ended with last year? Come on.

 

No I’m only talking about position players. I’m actually ok with our starting rotation.

[TURBO]

We haven’t improved at any position this offseason except for maybe SS and even that is a question. There’s no doubt in my mind we are a worse team on paper than last year’s team. Maybe that changes over the next couple months but I have my doubts.

 

As negative as this sounds, this is where I'm at.

 

Damn it...