Julio Julio Teheran to Angels - 1-year/$9M

[reillymcshane]

One of those inning eatings types that some of us have mentioned.

 

1-year/$9M isn't a bad deal, even if the guy walks too many batters.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/angels-to-sign-julio-teheran.html

[xisxisxis]

Brewers got a better pitcher in Brett Anderson for less. Another clear win for Stearns. Given what the Angels trotted out last season it's an upgrade for them.

[A Swing and A Drive]

Brett Anderson is NOT a better pitcher than Julio Teheran.

 

Julio is also 3 years younger, less injury prone, and can actually miss bats.

[bigredrobbo]

Brett Anderson is NOT a better pitcher than Julio Teheran.

 

Julio is also 3 years younger, less injury prone, and can actually miss bats.

 

He misses them so often, they tend to give the hitter first base!

[bigredrobbo]

2nd worst in MLB in walks per 9 innings in 2019, with 4.3. Given the general IGT ire at walking batters, I'd hate to see what they would say about Teheran!

[sveumrules]

Brett Anderson is NOT a better pitcher than Julio Teheran.

 

Julio is also 3 years younger, less injury prone, and can actually miss bats.

 

Teheran is younger, more durable & strikes out more batters, yes. That is probably why he cost almost twice as much.

 

Does that necessarily mean he is a better pitcher though?

 

Brett 2017-19 | FIP- 100 | 3.7 fWAR

Julio 2017-19 | FIP- 114| 3.3 fWAR

 

Even though Anderson pitched considerably less innings (311 vs 538) than Teheran over the last three seasons, he still provided more value as he was about 14% better on a per inning basis.

[xisxisxis]

Brett Anderson is NOT a better pitcher than Julio Teheran.

 

Julio is also 3 years younger, less injury prone, and can actually miss bats.

Well the Steamer fWAR projections for 2020 are clearly pointing to the better pitcher:

 

Brett Anderson 1.7

Julio Teheran 0.5

 

Must be a worldwide plot to discredit people with names close to "Tehran"....

[wallus]

Brewers got a better pitcher in Brett Anderson for less. Another clear win for Stearns. Given what the Angels trotted out last season it's an upgrade for them.

 

Nailed it. Anderson>>>>Teheran

[brewmann04]

if Anderson stays health he be ok still need another starter and reliever.

[TJseven7]

He was a guy that was on my radar but after adding Anderson and Lindblom the appeal has lessened much like with Gio. I still want 2 more SP options but I'm hoping for 2 guys who slide through the cracks. Hopefully Walker and Hill.

[Ennder]

This is a good landing spot for Teheran because his big problem is that he gives up so many home runs. The AL West is all pitchers parks and then Texas which is new so who knows. He wouldn't have been a very good match for the Brewers in their park.

[stalton]

I saw the title and imagined him saying in his best Bond voice, "My name is Julio, julio Teheran"

In all seriousness, time will tell but given the contracts, I'd go with Anderson.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Just another ultra-hyped Braves pitcher flame-out. I don't know if I've ever seen a team get more hype and national publicity over the years for supposedly churning out top-notch, high-end pitching, yet they are grabbing trash pitchers every year to make up for their "high-end" guys consistently failing.

[Eye Black]

Just another ultra-hyped Braves pitcher flame-out. I don't know if I've ever seen a team get more hype and national publicity over the years for supposedly churning out top-notch, high-end pitching, yet they are grabbing trash pitchers every year to make up for their "high-end" guys consistently failing.

When the Brewers traded Greinke, ultimately for a deal headlined by Jean Segura, I was hopeful that they would work out a deal with either the Tigers headlined by prospect Nicholas Castellanos or the Braves for prospect Julio Teheran. I guess in the end the Brewers did just fine as compared to those alternatives.

[JosephC]

Just another ultra-hyped Braves pitcher flame-out. I don't know if I've ever seen a team get more hype and national publicity over the years for supposedly churning out top-notch, high-end pitching, yet they are grabbing trash pitchers every year to make up for their "high-end" guys consistently failing.

 

Failed to the tune of a 20+ bWAR career with the Braves. You know how many pitchers have achieved that wearing a Brewer uniform? Hint, you can count them all on one hand, even if that hand is missing some fingers.

 

I like Teheran as a reliable, mid-to-back-end-of-the-rotation guy and would have picked him over Anderson, even with the difference in salary. And this is the primary reason why. Teheran became a full time starter in 2013, and from 2013-2019 he's made 222 starts (32 starts per year) and has thrown 1334 innings (191 innings per year). Over that same time-frame, Anderson has made 108 starts (15 starts per year) and has thrown 591 1/3 innings (84 innings per season).

 

The other thing is that people will knock Teheran on his peripherals, but the bottom line is run prevention and Teheran has posted a better ERA than FIP for SEVEN consecutive seasons. Over the last three seasons his ERA has been 4.09 and it dropped when going from 2017 to 2018 and then dropped again when going from 2018 to 2019. Looking at durability and run prevention, I think he's a really solid investment at 9 million.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Just another ultra-hyped Braves pitcher flame-out. I don't know if I've ever seen a team get more hype and national publicity over the years for supposedly churning out top-notch, high-end pitching, yet they are grabbing trash pitchers every year to make up for their "high-end" guys consistently failing.

 

Failed to the tune of a 20+ bWAR career with the Braves. You know how many pitchers have achieved that wearing a Brewer uniform? Hint, you can count them all on one hand, even if that hand is missing some fingers.

 

I like Teheran as a reliable, mid-to-back-end-of-the-rotation guy and would have picked him over Anderson, even with the difference in salary. And this is the primary reason why. Teheran became a full time starter in 2013, and from 2013-2019 he's made 222 starts (32 starts per year) and has thrown 1334 innings (191 innings per year). Over that same time-frame, Anderson has made 108 starts (15 starts per year) and has thrown 591 1/3 innings (84 innings per season).

 

The other thing is that people will knock Teheran on his peripherals, but the bottom line is run prevention and Teheran has posted a better ERA than FIP for SEVEN consecutive seasons. Over the last three seasons his ERA has been 4.09 and it dropped when going from 2017 to 2018 and then dropped again when going from 2018 to 2019. Looking at durability and run prevention, I think he's a really solid investment at 9 million.

 

You're missing the point. Of all the ultra-hyped Braves pitchers over the years, Teheran was probably the most hyped of all. I mean, we're talking Future Cy Young, 20-game-winner, multiple All-Star appearance future #1 Ace for the next decade kind of hype. He's been fine, but when you consider that the best thing you can say about a guy who was that hyped up is that "at least he's been durable", something is wrong.

[sveumrules]

Just another ultra-hyped Braves pitcher flame-out. I don't know if I've ever seen a team get more hype and national publicity over the years for supposedly churning out top-notch, high-end pitching, yet they are grabbing trash pitchers every year to make up for their "high-end" guys consistently failing.

 

Failed to the tune of a 20+ bWAR career with the Braves. You know how many pitchers have achieved that wearing a Brewer uniform? Hint, you can count them all on one hand, even if that hand is missing some fingers.

 

I like Teheran as a reliable, mid-to-back-end-of-the-rotation guy and would have picked him over Anderson, even with the difference in salary. And this is the primary reason why. Teheran became a full time starter in 2013, and from 2013-2019 he's made 222 starts (32 starts per year) and has thrown 1334 innings (191 innings per year). Over that same time-frame, Anderson has made 108 starts (15 starts per year) and has thrown 591 1/3 innings (84 innings per season).

 

The other thing is that people will knock Teheran on his peripherals, but the bottom line is run prevention and Teheran has posted a better ERA than FIP for SEVEN consecutive seasons. Over the last three seasons his ERA has been 4.09 and it dropped when going from 2017 to 2018 and then dropped again when going from 2018 to 2019. Looking at durability and run prevention, I think he's a really solid investment at 9 million.

 

Chase Anderson 2016-19 | 3.83 ERA | 4.70 FIP

Julio Teheran 2016-19 | 3.86 ERA | 4.53 FIP

 

If the Brewers thought 8.5 million was too rich for perennial FIP beater Chase Anderson, I can see why they might think 9 million is too rich for Julio Teheran.

[JosephC]

Just another ultra-hyped Braves pitcher flame-out. I don't know if I've ever seen a team get more hype and national publicity over the years for supposedly churning out top-notch, high-end pitching, yet they are grabbing trash pitchers every year to make up for their "high-end" guys consistently failing.

 

Failed to the tune of a 20+ bWAR career with the Braves. You know how many pitchers have achieved that wearing a Brewer uniform? Hint, you can count them all on one hand, even if that hand is missing some fingers.

 

I like Teheran as a reliable, mid-to-back-end-of-the-rotation guy and would have picked him over Anderson, even with the difference in salary. And this is the primary reason why. Teheran became a full time starter in 2013, and from 2013-2019 he's made 222 starts (32 starts per year) and has thrown 1334 innings (191 innings per year). Over that same time-frame, Anderson has made 108 starts (15 starts per year) and has thrown 591 1/3 innings (84 innings per season).

 

The other thing is that people will knock Teheran on his peripherals, but the bottom line is run prevention and Teheran has posted a better ERA than FIP for SEVEN consecutive seasons. Over the last three seasons his ERA has been 4.09 and it dropped when going from 2017 to 2018 and then dropped again when going from 2018 to 2019. Looking at durability and run prevention, I think he's a really solid investment at 9 million.

 

Chase Anderson 2016-19 | 3.83 ERA | 4.70 FIP

Julio Teheran 2016-19 | 3.86 ERA | 4.53 FIP

 

If the Brewers thought 8.5 million was too rich for perennial FIP beater Chase Anderson, I can see why they might think 9 million is too rich for Julio Teheran.

 

Only thing that made Chase Anderson seem like a complete non-fit was Counsell wanting to pull him as soon as it got to the fourth inning. If not for that, I would rather have Chase Anderson rather than Brett Anderson on the roster. Really anxious to see how Counsell manages Brett Anderson. With the lowly strikeout rate, it will be interesting to see if Counsell shows any trust in Brett and ends up treating him the same way as Chase.

[JosephC]

Just another ultra-hyped Braves pitcher flame-out. I don't know if I've ever seen a team get more hype and national publicity over the years for supposedly churning out top-notch, high-end pitching, yet they are grabbing trash pitchers every year to make up for their "high-end" guys consistently failing.

 

Failed to the tune of a 20+ bWAR career with the Braves. You know how many pitchers have achieved that wearing a Brewer uniform? Hint, you can count them all on one hand, even if that hand is missing some fingers.

 

I like Teheran as a reliable, mid-to-back-end-of-the-rotation guy and would have picked him over Anderson, even with the difference in salary. And this is the primary reason why. Teheran became a full time starter in 2013, and from 2013-2019 he's made 222 starts (32 starts per year) and has thrown 1334 innings (191 innings per year). Over that same time-frame, Anderson has made 108 starts (15 starts per year) and has thrown 591 1/3 innings (84 innings per season).

 

The other thing is that people will knock Teheran on his peripherals, but the bottom line is run prevention and Teheran has posted a better ERA than FIP for SEVEN consecutive seasons. Over the last three seasons his ERA has been 4.09 and it dropped when going from 2017 to 2018 and then dropped again when going from 2018 to 2019. Looking at durability and run prevention, I think he's a really solid investment at 9 million.

 

Chase Anderson 2016-19 | 3.83 ERA | 4.70 FIP

Julio Teheran 2016-19 | 3.86 ERA | 4.53 FIP

 

If the Brewers thought 8.5 million was too rich for perennial FIP beater Chase Anderson, I can see why they might think 9 million is too rich for Julio Teheran.

 

Only thing that made Chase Anderson seem like a complete non-fit was Counsell wanting to pull him as soon as it got to the fourth inning. If not for that, I would rather have Chase Anderson rather than Brett Anderson on the roster. Really anxious to see how Counsell manages Brett Anderson. With the lowly strikeout rate, it will be interesting to see if Counsell shows any trust in Brett and ends up treating him the same way as Chase.