Sogard to Brewers - 1 year, $4.5m w Club Option

[RollieTime]

The amount of fake momentum towards a Seager deal is building. The Mariners SS situation is kind of garbage, no? Am I missing an obvious guy they are grooming?

I think a package including Arcia for Seager is probably in the works with the hangup the additional components (Corey Ray?) and cash coming back to MKE. Seager's 3rd year option vests upon a trade so he's a tad expensive. I think he might be the best defensive 3B still out there so that's a definite advantage. Three years (year 32-34 seasons) isn't too long of a stretch for performance decline. We could give them back Freddy. The chances he develops another pitch are about the same as Arcia breaking out...

 

I do think Arcia is going to be on the move for some expensive third baseman coming back from a team in need of SS depth or possibly the third piece of a larger trade to bring in a first or third baseman.

[A Swing and A Drive]

I find it weird that some people, after watching the last 3 or so years of work, walk into every move with the mindset of, "let's see...how can I find a way to convince myself this is a really stupid move?"

 

I think the opposite seems to be true around here.

 

Everyone seems to say "let's see... how can I find a way to convince myself that this is a really, brilliant move?"

 

See Anderson, Brett.

[KeithStone53151]

I find it weird that some people, after watching the last 3 or so years of work, walk into every move with the mindset of, "let's see...how can I find a way to convince myself this is a really stupid move?"

 

I think the opposite seems to be true around here.

 

Everyone seems to say "let's see... how can I find a way to convince myself that this is a really, brilliant move?"

 

See Anderson, Brett.

 

I've liked a majority of the offseason, but despise that move. I think it's closer to 50/50 on that one with people liking and disliking the move. I find it especially weird that people are so against this Sogard move. Especially after last year, when Shaw inexplicably was awful and we had really bad depth options there(until Hiura was ready). If Hiura or Urias are really bad for whatever reason, can easily plug in Sogard and not lose as much as putting in someone like Perez or Brad Miller.

[bill hAll Star]

I find it weird that some people, after watching the last 3 or so years of work, walk into every move with the mindset of, "let's see...how can I find a way to convince myself this is a really stupid move?"

 

I think the opposite seems to be true around here.

 

Everyone seems to say "let's see... how can I find a way to convince myself that this is a really, brilliant move?"

 

See Anderson, Brett.

 

Oh yeah, our 2018 rotation was filled with Cy Young candidates so we're really taking a step down from Chacin to Anderson.

[xisxisxis]

The amount of fake momentum towards a Seager deal is building. The Mariners SS situation is kind of garbage, no? Am I missing an obvious guy they are grooming?

I think a package including Arcia for Seager is probably in the works with the hangup the additional components (Corey Ray?) and cash coming back to MKE. Seager's 3rd year option vests upon a trade so he's a tad expensive. I think he might be the best defensive 3B still out there so that's a definite advantage. Three years (year 32-34 seasons) isn't too long of a stretch for performance decline. We could give them back Freddy. The chances he develops another pitch are about the same as Arcia breaking out...

 

I'd imagine they want to keep giving JP Crawford some chances. He's probably in the same category as Arcia as a guy that once had some cachet as a prospect but is sputtering at the big league level.

 

Difference being that Crawford has more time until his arbitration hits and may align with their window of 2+ years from now. I'm not saying Arcia wouldn't be a good option for them to try out a bit but his ceiling seems low AND even if he turns things around, his control is up right when the Mariners want to get back to trying to contend.

I don't know Crawford very well, but thought they would move him to 3B if they dealt Seager and got another SS, but he may not be good enough for 3B (only has played about 15% of his time at 3B in his career). While I agree about the Mariners window, Dipito may be more inclined to salary dump. Unfortunately, until Donaldson signs there's no reason to move Seager. And if prospect rich teams lose out on Donaldson (Dodgers, Braves, Nationals), they may have the prospect cache to outbid the Brewers.

[tmwiese55]

It could be possible that with all the money they freed up but having failed to sign the higher priced guys they wanted/hoped (say Moose, Donaldson, a better P) it now means they can spend more on moves like this as opposed to relying on 550K guys to cover this role. Essentially, since they're not going to have a big money signing they now don't have to pinch pennies on fringe moves. A month ago, every mil they could squeeze was needed. Now, they know they're not getting to 125 mil anyway as there is no one worthy of that kind of money. So 4.5 on him instead of 550K for Saladino 2.0 doesn't matter.

[Oxy]

I find it weird that some people, after watching the last 3 or so years of work, walk into every move with the mindset of, "let's see...how can I find a way to convince myself this is a really stupid move?"

 

Aye. I was very "meh" or worse about Chacin, Miley, Lyles, Pomeranz...but the Stearns has earned my optimism about moves like that now.

 

I think the opposite seems to be true around here.

 

Everyone seems to say "let's see... how can I find a way to convince myself that this is a really, brilliant move?"

 

See Anderson, Brett.

 

Or else most people go, "well, I hope it turns out..." then see above. It's worked out enough times (not ALL the time, but enough times) to be optimistic.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I find it weird that some people, after watching the last 3 or so years of work, walk into every move with the mindset of, "let's see...how can I find a way to convince myself this is a really stupid move?"

 

I think the opposite seems to be true around here.

 

Everyone seems to say "let's see... how can I find a way to convince myself that this is a really, brilliant move?"

 

See Anderson, Brett.

 

I think in a way it's a circular pattern - go back and look at what many on this board thought of simply bringing Miley in on a flier before the 2018 season. Now alot of people are gnashing their teeth we didn't sign him for 15-20 Million dollars for a couple years. The Anderson "love" has more to do with what the Brewers have been able to do with guys like Miley and Lyles when they walked in the door. At the time those signings or the Lyles trade was met with alot of 'meh' or even negative views, then those players wound up really being key pieces.

 

Stearns' M.O. appears to be giving as many veterans that don't cost a whole lot a shot to prove they can be quality MLB contributors to a roster - we tend to remember the ones that work moreso than the ones that don't, because Stearns has a pretty quick trigger to churn out the duds and replace them.

[xisxisxis]

I find it weird that some people, after watching the last 3 or so years of work, walk into every move with the mindset of, "let's see...how can I find a way to convince myself this is a really stupid move?"

 

I think the opposite seems to be true around here.

 

Everyone seems to say "let's see... how can I find a way to convince myself that this is a really, brilliant move?"

 

See Anderson, Brett.

Maybe we could all agree that there are a SMALL number of posters that believe every move by the Brewers is bad and a SMALL number of posters that believe every move by the Brewers is good. The rest of us are doing our best based on our knowledge and understanding to do a reasonable job of expressing our opinion as to the value/benefit of the trade/deal and leave it at that.

 

These gross generalizations in both directions just lead to so many posts of people shouting past each other...

[TURBO]

I find it weird that some people, after watching the last 3 or so years of work, walk into every move with the mindset of, "let's see...how can I find a way to convince myself this is a really stupid move?"

 

I think the opposite seems to be true around here.

 

Everyone seems to say "let's see... how can I find a way to convince myself that this is a really, brilliant move?"

 

 

There is some merit to this...

 

There are just as many here praising every move as there are ripping every move...

[StearnsFTW]

Something has to be up.

 

I can't see them paying Sogard (or anyone) $4.5 million to be a part time player.

 

Maybe they're sending Hiura off for a SP.

 

Keston Huira to Rays for Tyler Glasnow. Who says no?

 

 

Good God, I hope the Brewers do. And quickly.

[owbc]

We have no idea if this move will turn out to be good or bad. But the key is that for $4.5 million we better get something out of Sogard, unlike the first time we gave him $2.4 million to do nothing. If Hernan Perez ends up contributing to the Cubs and Sogard flames out there will be some justified frustration around here.

[bill hAll Star]

We have no idea if this move will turn out to be good or bad. But the key is that for $4.5 million we better get something out of Sogard, unlike the first time we gave him $2.4 million to do nothing. If Hernan Perez ends up contributing to the Cubs and Sogard flames out there will be some justified frustration around here.

 

I was with you until the Hernan part. Their careers are going in opposite directions.

 

Could Hernan be useful to the Cubs? Sure. It's about as likely as Ronny Rodriguez stepping in and paying dividends after some Sogard struggles or something, though. I wouldn't couple Sogard and Hernan in judgment. We've got guys like Jace Peterson now that are in the Hernan category.

[3and2Fastball]

I will go on record as saying: No! I would not trade Hiura for Glasnow...

 

I predict Hiura will be a future NL MVP.

[SRB]

I find it weird that some people, after watching the last 3 or so years of work, walk into every move with the mindset of, "let's see...how can I find a way to convince myself this is a really stupid move?"

 

I think the opposite seems to be true around here.

 

Everyone seems to say "let's see... how can I find a way to convince myself that this is a really, brilliant move?"

 

 

There is some merit to this...

 

There are just as many here praising every move as there are ripping every move...

 

God forbid fans of a team (with an empirically successful GM) would be optimistic about moves that team makes!

 

Personally I see little to no reason to criticize any move if you are a fan of the team. This is not the Rays or the Marlins where they are making moves for bad faith reasons like slashing payroll...

[wallus]

Some of the angst probably is coming from not knowing his role. If he is going to replace Hernan and be a utility guy, then I am ok with this. If he is expected to be a starter and we aren't getting anyone better, I am not a fan.

[A Swing and A Drive]

2020 NL CENTRAL BATTLE- UTIL INF

 

ERIC SOGARD VS HERNAN PEREZ

 

WINNER TAKES IT ALL!

 

[tmwiese55]

Agree with the points about if he's here to be a backup and insurance on our unproven SSs then it's fine. If we're banking him on as the stater at 3B I'm a bit worried or skeptical. If it's him or Hernan I think it's worth the extra money to get a LH and someone who puts the ball in play. Sure, in this season Sogard could flop/injured and Perez do better. But at this point in time, if you had to pick which one you'd rather have you should pick Sogard. And I don't think that's really too debateable. So, if we're complaining that management won't spend money then we shouldn't also complain they spend money to upgrade a position.

[homer]

I find it weird that some people, after watching the last 3 or so years of work, walk into every move with the mindset of, "let's see...how can I find a way to convince myself this is a really stupid move?"

 

I think the opposite seems to be true around here.

 

Everyone seems to say "let's see... how can I find a way to convince myself that this is a really, brilliant move?"

 

 

There is some merit to this...

 

There are just as many here praising every move as there are ripping every move...

 

 

I get the sense that most people are willing to give the moves a shot given the GM's track record.

[brewmann04]

we have a good pair of guys for third base to fall back on in case they can't add anyone else.

[Jopal78]

I find it weird that some people, after watching the last 3 or so years of work, walk into every move with the mindset of, "let's see...how can I find a way to convince myself this is a really stupid move?"

 

I think the opposite seems to be true around here.

 

Everyone seems to say "let's see... how can I find a way to convince myself that this is a really, brilliant move?"

 

See Anderson, Brett.

 

 

Anderson was a 2.7 WAR player last year. They signed him for 5 million dollars. If he's hurt next year or sucks both of which are fairly probable, the team is out $5 million dollars and moves on. If Anderson delivers at even a 2.0 WAR they come out like a bandit. If he pitches well while the rest of the team sucks they can flip him at the deadline for something. It's not Cole or Strasburg but he's a bonafide major league pitcher on a short term contract. Whats not to like.

[Roderick]

I find it weird that some people, after watching the last 3 or so years of work, walk into every move with the mindset of, "let's see...how can I find a way to convince myself this is a really stupid move?"

 

I think the opposite seems to be true around here.

 

Everyone seems to say "let's see... how can I find a way to convince myself that this is a really, brilliant move?"

 

See Anderson, Brett.

 

Oh yeah, our 2018 rotation was filled with Cy Young candidates so we're really taking a step down from Chacin to Anderson.

 

Chacin was pretty darn good in 2018. I hope Anderson is that good.

[MadScientist]

As long as he isn't the 2018 version, this is a useful signing. Sogard is:

1) plan B for 3rd base

2) LH PH that doesn't K often

3) Backup infielder when guys need a day

4) Defensive replacement for Huria at the end of games.

5) Gritty vet with a great nickname

[bill hAll Star]

 

I think the opposite seems to be true around here.

 

Everyone seems to say "let's see... how can I find a way to convince myself that this is a really, brilliant move?"

 

See Anderson, Brett.

 

Oh yeah, our 2018 rotation was filled with Cy Young candidates so we're really taking a step down from Chacin to Anderson.

 

Chacin was pretty darn good in 2018. I hope Anderson is that good.

 

That's the point. If we're talking about Brett Anderson as a garbage pickup then everything that worked about 2018 was also garbage.

[MVP2110]

In theory, what would a Sogard/Healy platoon look like production wise?