Wade Miley to Reds - 2 years / $15 million

[Fear The Chorizo]

Keuchel and Teheran are still available, yes? I'd rather have one of those, please

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Is there a snowballs chance in hell that Anderson has a better season than Miley? I am disliking more moves than I am liking this time around. I don't want to derail the thread, but this feels like a true penny pinching offseason.

 

2019 Miley: 167.1 IP, 3.98 ERA, 4.51 FIP, 4.52 xFIP, 1.34 WHIP, 89 ERA-, 100 FIP-, 2.0 fWAR, 2.0 rWAR

2019 Anderson: 176.0 IP, 3.89 ERA, 4.57 FIP, 4.79 xFIP, 1.31 WHIP, 87 ERA-, 102 FIP-, 2.0 fWAR, 2.5 rWAR

 

LOL ... this made my night! I kinda figured that Anderson was pretty much the new Miley, and this confirms it.

 

We all like Miley because he pitched very well for the Brewers in 2018. But Anderson has every appearance of being a solid signing.

[KeithStone53151]

2019 Miley: 19% k rate, 32% hard hit rate, .247 XBA, .304 XWOBA, 4.5 barrel %

2019 Anderson: 12% k rate, 40% hard hit rate, .287 XBA, .344 XWOBA, 7.3 barrel %

 

Me thinks one got really lucky last year, and played in a pitchers park. Miley also clearly has much better stuff.

[long ball]

Solid deal for the Reds. Could do a lot worse than Miley as your 4th or 5th best SP.

[sveumrules]

2019 Miley: 19% k rate, 32% hard hit rate, .247 XBA, .304 XWOBA, 4.5 barrel %

2019 Anderson: 12% k rate, 40% hard hit rate, .287 XBA, .344 XWOBA, 7.3 barrel %

 

Me thinks one got really lucky last year, and played in a pitchers park. Miley also clearly has much better stuff.

 

Sure, Miley is probably a better pitcher than Anderson. That's why he got a contract for twice as long & thrice as much.

 

But considering Anderson at the very worst matched Miley's production just last year, lucky or not, I'd say his chances of doing so again in 2020 would be better than the chances a snowball stands in hell.

[TJseven7]

So if Anderson pitches well he gets paid the same as Miley.

Wade Miley is a year older.

Wade Miley is signed for 2 years not 1.

 

I don't see this as a "why not both" situation. I was hoping MKE brought back Gio. Anderson fits that mold but was not on my radar. Miley was lower on my list than Gio.

 

It wasn't just his last month though, his whip spiked in August, then Sept/Oct imploded. August was pretty lucky. Guy fell apart the last 2 months of the season. He got through 22 starts very well. The last 11 are concerning.

 

I'm fine with this. Good luck to him.

[Eye Black]

2019 Miley: 19% k rate, 32% hard hit rate, .247 XBA, .304 XWOBA, 4.5 barrel %

2019 Anderson: 12% k rate, 40% hard hit rate, .287 XBA, .344 XWOBA, 7.3 barrel %

 

Me thinks one got really lucky last year, and played in a pitchers park. Miley also clearly has much better stuff.

Part of Wade Miley’s “better stuff” is the fact he went from throwing predominantly four seam fastballs and sinkers as his primary pitches to throwing a cutter nearly 50% of the time after he joined the Brewers. It was a pitch he had just started throwing sparingly during his final season with the Orioles in 2017. He threw the cutter on just 11.5% of his pitches that year.

 

For the first time in his career Brett Anderson started throwing a cutter last season, but at just a 13.8% clip overall. Something tells me we are going to see a lot more cutter usage from Brett Anderson next season. We can try to glean something from Anderson’s past stats, but I have a feeling the pitch usage within his overall repertoire will look different next season.

[KeithStone53151]

The Anderson signing bugs me a lot...seeing Miley sign such a reasonable deal bugs me that much more. I'd feel a lot better about our rotation with Miley vs Anderson. That's the part that bugs me. With Anderson, you're hoping guys hit missiles on the ground and right at players, not over the fence. Most AA pitchers have better pure stuff than him. For me, his 2019 was like Garza's first half of 2017. His junk happened to stay inside the park enough to eat some innings and get a respectable ERA...and then variance/luck caught up to him in the 2nd half and he posted something like a double digit ERA and got pulled from the rotation.

 

If the thought by Stearns is something like...we'll bring in Anderson and hopefully he'll actually be a long relief guy because Peralta/Burnes outperform him in ST...it would bug me a lot less. But $5 million is a lot of money for an insurance arm...which makes me think that's not their thought process. It's a bit frustrating to make such a good run 2 years in a row, but simply not have the necessary impact pitching to get over the hump.

[Bulldogboy]

The Reds rotation is looking deep and impressive. A four game against Castillo Bauer Grey and Miley is trouble. Brewers rotation is still a mess if u ask me. Bad look by Stearns.

[sveumrules]

The Reds rotation is looking deep and impressive. A four game against Castillo Bauer Grey and Miley is trouble. Brewers rotation is still a mess if u ask me. Bad look by Stearns.

 

Reds starters 2019: 4.12 ERA (92 ERA-)

Brewers starters 2019: 4.40 ERA (99 ERA-)

 

Reds wins 2019: 75

Brewers wins 2019: 89

 

Somehow Stearns & company won 14 more games than the Reds last year even though their rotation was 7% worse by ERA.

 

I'd say the bad look is trying to find the negative in every transaction Stearns & company do or don't make when they clearly know more than we do & have the track record of success to prove it.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

The Reds suck until they prove otherwise. As mentioned earlier, they just had a year where the majority of their lineup had career years, and still only won 75 games. I don't think it's prudent to hand them anything.

[SRB]

2019 Miley: 19% k rate, 32% hard hit rate, .247 XBA, .304 XWOBA, 4.5 barrel %

2019 Anderson: 12% k rate, 40% hard hit rate, .287 XBA, .344 XWOBA, 7.3 barrel %

 

Me thinks one got really lucky last year, and played in a pitchers park. Miley also clearly has much better stuff.

 

Anderson is of a dying breed of contact pitchers. He lets you hit the ball (sometimes hard), but more often than not it's on the ground and does no damage. Is he an ace? Certainly not, but his bottom-line results were very similar to Miley's and it had nothing to do with luck given that Anderson has been putting up similar results basically his entire career when healthy.

 

I like Miley but let's not forget he was almost forced out of baseball leading up to the 2018 season. They're both risky.

[Tbadder]

I’m glad Wade got paid. I think just like last year the Reds are overplaying their hand.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Jeez - who knew roughly 100 IP in 2018 is enough to annoint Miley as the 2nd coming. Obviously the Astros didn't, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten left off their playoff roster.

 

I for one am glad they didn't sign Miley - otherwise when he wouldn't be able to reproduce his incredibly good 2018 numbers as a Brewer in 2020 we'd have 10 threads wishing Derek Johnson was back at pitching coach so Miley could revert back to being a really good 5 inning pitcher again.

 

Happy for Miley that he sorta got paid in the FA pitching market, and I'm looking forward to several Brewer starters outperforming him in 2020.

[TURBO]

I'm happy for Wade that he got 2 years and got some security for his family. .

 

lol

 

If his family isn't secure by now, he has done something really wrong.

[TURBO]

The Reds suck until they prove otherwise. As mentioned earlier, they just had a year where the majority of their lineup had career years, and still only won 75 games. I don't think it's prudent to hand them anything.

 

I feel that is wishful thinking and downplaying a team that is 100% on the upswing.

 

We are no longer battling just the Cubs and Cardinals, the Reds are going to have a say in the 2020 season, even if so many here choose to believe they will be the same old Reds.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

The Reds suck until they prove otherwise. As mentioned earlier, they just had a year where the majority of their lineup had career years, and still only won 75 games. I don't think it's prudent to hand them anything.

 

I feel that is wishful thinking and downplaying a team that is 100% on the upswing.

 

We are no longer battling just the Cubs and Cardinals, the Reds are going to have a say in the 2020 season, even if so many here choose to believe they will be the same old Reds.

 

They got a bunch of hype last year too, and did nothing with it. My view on the Reds is that they are bad until they prove they aren't. A few acquisitions added to a disjointed team doesn't earn them anything.

[TURBO]

The Reds suck until they prove otherwise. As mentioned earlier, they just had a year where the majority of their lineup had career years, and still only won 75 games. I don't think it's prudent to hand them anything.

 

I feel that is wishful thinking and downplaying a team that is 100% on the upswing.

 

We are no longer battling just the Cubs and Cardinals, the Reds are going to have a say in the 2020 season, even if so many here choose to believe they will be the same old Reds.

 

They got a bunch of hype last year too, and did nothing with it. My view on the Reds is that they are bad until they prove they aren't. A few acquisitions added to a disjointed team doesn't earn them anything.

 

Then we will agree to disagree.

 

They may not win the division (but could), but they are going to make it tougher on the rest of us by winning more games.

[jjfanec]

I probably would have rather had Miley than Anderson even with the extra year but I am guessing they put up very similar numbers outside of Ks.

 

I get the reactions to moves because some people felt like the Brewers needed to add a frontline starter and they havent so that group is going to frustrated by pretty much every move that doesnt net a frontline starter. I also get the group that says trust Stearns because he has proven very good at his job.

 

I look at the current rotation of Woodruff, Anderson, Hauser, Lindblom, Lauer, and potentially guys like Burnes, Peralta, etc and I would like a guy to slot after Woodruff. Ryu would be perfect in my mind but I doubt it works budget wise. I actually like the backend of the rotation this year because I think there is some really nice upside in Lindblom and Lauer and think Anderson is a safe bet to be solid if not spectacular. Slide Ryu next Woodruff and put Hauser in the pen with a hopefully improved Burnes (and obviously guys like Hader, Knebel, Suter, Black) and I think the staff could win a lot of games

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Then we will agree to disagree.

 

They may not win the division (but could), but they are going to make it tougher on the rest of us by winning more games.

 

That's fair. The Reds may very well be fine ... but it's all on paper right now. Pretty much everyone in that lineup outside of Votto hit out of his mind last year, and that chances of that happening again are probably slim.

[Roderick]

I would have taken Miley for this contract (or tacked on a little if need be). This will be one of those situations that we will see him enough to know who was right when it is all said and done.

[SeaBass]

Reds definitely could use some more help on offense. Their pitching is more than solid, 7th in MLB in runs allowed last season. As we're fond of saying around here, it's only December 17th.

[patrickgpe]

can we just have one free agent signing where we don't complain that the brewers didn't sign him?

 

The market is the market. I do not think Stearns is intentionally overpaying people. He seems pretty savvy to me and knows how far he is willing to go and won't exceed it. Its an approach that I like and will work out in the long term.

[pacopete4]

can we just have one free agent signing where we don't complain that the brewers didn't sign him?

 

The market is the market. I do not think Stearns is intentionally overpaying people. He seems pretty savvy to me and knows how far he is willing to go and won't exceed it. Its an approach that I like and will work out in the long term.

 

But Stearns sucks, so we have to complain.

[Ennder]

I'm happy for Wade that he got 2 years and got some security for his family. .

 

lol

 

If his family isn't secure by now, he has done something really wrong.

 

Can't even post something nice without someone coming here and being a jerk about it. No wonder this forum has become so toxic over the past few seasons.

 

He is a 33 year old pitcher with a career ERA+ of 98. This very well could be his last contract in baseball. Sorry I feel happy for a former Brewer for getting 2 years towards the end of his career. I don't care how much he has made, this provides for his family in what may be the last payday he has. I'm sure Miley is happy for it and so is his family.