Avi Garcia not extended QO - now a Free Agent 11/5/21

[tmwiese55]

Keep in mind that Braun is gone next year so this covers that as well. So this PT issue is gone at that point.

[adambr2]

Keep in mind that Braun is gone next year so this covers that as well. So this PT issue is gone at that point.

 

Probably true, though depending on how he does in 2020 and how Garcia does and whatever other factors may be at play, they could decide to exercise his option. I think it would only be a net $11M to pick up the option.

[brewcrewdue80]

Braun will be gone next season so the 2nd yr 550 PAs is an automatic if remains healthy.

 

I posted this in the rumors and will remind Garcia's statcast numbers.

2015 he had a 4.8% barrel 88.5mph exit velo 6.3 Launch expected slg .406

2017 he had 8.8% barrel. 90.3MPH Exit Velo 7.5 Launch expected slg 525

2019 he had 11.7% barrel 89.5MPH Exit Velo 9.8 Launch expected slg .494

 

The trend is in the positive and the slg difference in 17 vs 19 is due to his K pct being higher in 2019. Youre basically looking at .266-.325 BA maybe even higher if his season is 2017 like.

The point is seasons like 2015 and 2016 as an under .700OPS is behind him. He barrels the ball more and launches it higher. The k pct is the difference for him in regards to the BA.

17: 19.8

18:26.5

19: 23.5

He played more games in 17 and 19 so Id assume he's more a 23.5% guy. Same effect in 15 vs 16. 23.5 vs 25.4 15 is the most PAs he seen in a season.

[Roderick]

Keep in mind that Braun is gone next year so this covers that as well. So this PT issue is gone at that point.

 

Probably true, though depending on how he does in 2020 and how Garcia does and whatever other factors may be at play, they could decide to exercise his option. I think it would only be a net $11M to pick up the option.

 

Unless something changed again in the press, I understood it would be a net $10M cost to keep him, as it was $2 buyout (sunk money).

[Warning Track Power]

BREWERFAN.NET TMZ-RELATED POST:

 

If you're on Instagram, Prince Fielder liked the Brewers official announcement signing Avisail Garcia.

[tmwiese55]

I've dabbled at times with Garcia in fantasy baseball the last few years so I've followed or been a bit familiar. He certainly can hit/produce, it's just that he always has a nagging injury of some sort going on. He should be on a maintenance schedule just like Braun and Cain, which helps this all make sense. If you can keep him healthy I think you're going to get plenty of production from him for this money. But with that type of maintenance and/or injuries he gets that 550 number isn't a lock, even without Braun next year.

 

Another unknown guy for most that I've been forced to use at times was Cheslor Cuthbert from KC. By no means am I saying I 'want' this guy. But, if you look at his vs lefty splits he's solid there and you can probably get him for basically league min. He's RH so doesn't fit well as of now. But if a lefty 1B/3B guy is brought in then he could be scrap heap depth guy that makes sense and can platoon vs lefties at 3B.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

BREWERFAN.NET TMZ-RELATED POST:

 

If you're on Instagram, Prince Fielder liked the Brewers official announcement signing Avisail Garcia.

 

That's some solid sleuthing LOL.

[brewcrewdue80]

Contract is this.

7.5mil this year.

10 in 2021.

2 if bought out resulting in 2/19.5

 

Exercise the option is 3/29.5

 

Garcia if he reaches 550PA in 2021 can decline the option to earn 12mil in 2022 and test FA. Whether that means he ends at 2/17.5 or 2/19.5 who cares. The deal is finished and the Brewers have 12million free to spend in 2022.

[TURBO]

I wonder if Braun will want to come back for a year, in a limited role, and a much lesser paycheck?

 

We can't completely rule that out if he is willing to come back on the cheap.

[BuckyBrewer61]

I wonder if Braun will want to come back for a year, in a limited role, and a much lesser paycheck?

 

We can't completely rule that out if he is willing to come back on the cheap.

 

Would imagine there is a possibility of this. Braun isn’t exactly well-liked around MLB. If he rakes, any fan base will be happy with him, but if not he could be turned on quickly. But not in Milwaukee. And I do believe winning in Milwaukee would mean more to him than anywhere else.

[tmwiese55]

With all the rule changes going into play this year it's a bit surprising to hear next to no chatter about the DH. I bring it up as it relates to 2021, Braun, and this 'logjam'. Seems like with so many changes going into place it would've been a good time to get that ball rolling.

[wallus]

Thinking out loud here. For a team with limited resources, the Brewers must REALLY feel that Garcia is going to be a stud for the next couple of years. Am I wrong in assuming that? I mean this money could have been used elsewhere.

[SeaBass]

With all the rule changes going into play this year it's a bit surprising to hear next to no chatter about the DH. I bring it up as it relates to 2021, Braun, and this 'logjam'. Seems like with so many changes going into place it would've been a good time to get that ball rolling.

I seem to remember something about MLB and the union agreeing to shelf talks about the universal DH until the next CBA negotiations in exchange for MLB putting off installing the pitch clock rule.

 

In any case, I am more than ready for both leagues to play by the same rules and since there's zero chance the AL agrees to abolish the DH that means the NL will need to adopt it, and I believe that will happen.

[MrTPlush]

Thinking out loud here. For a team with limited resources, the Brewers must REALLY feel that Garcia is going to be a stud for the next couple of years. Am I wrong in assuming that? I mean this money could have been used elsewhere.

 

It is $10mil not $35mil. It fills a need too. Now the cripple trio of Braun/Cain/Garcia can cover part of the OF and Braun can be the RH portion of a platoon at 1B.

 

I don't think they are hoping for him to be more than an .800 OPS, but this isn't shelling out much money or commitment.

[brewerfan82]

Yeah, he's basically getting paid the $7.5M this year a lot of people were surprised we didn't keep Thames for. This is solid role player money, not expected All-Star, team leader money.

[wallus]

Thinking out loud here. For a team with limited resources, the Brewers must REALLY feel that Garcia is going to be a stud for the next couple of years. Am I wrong in assuming that? I mean this money could have been used elsewhere.

 

It is $10mil not $35mil. It fills a need too. Now the cripple trio of Braun/Cain/Garcia can cover part of the OF and Braun can be the RH portion of a platoon at 1B.

 

I don't think they are hoping for him to be more than an .800 OPS, but this isn't shelling out much money or commitment.

 

Actually its $19.5 million and they cut and re-signed Claudio to save peanuts.

[monty57]

Thinking out loud here. For a team with limited resources, the Brewers must REALLY feel that Garcia is going to be a stud for the next couple of years. Am I wrong in assuming that? I mean this money could have been used elsewhere.

 

It is $10mil not $35mil. It fills a need too. Now the cripple trio of Braun/Cain/Garcia can cover part of the OF and Braun can be the RH portion of a platoon at 1B.

 

I don't think they are hoping for him to be more than an .800 OPS, but this isn't shelling out much money or commitment.

 

Actually its $19.5 million and they cut and re-signed Claudio to save peanuts.

 

Which seems to show that Stearns has a value for every player and will not exceed the value he believes that player to be worth. He's human and can be wrong, but he obviously believes that Garcia is worth the money he's paying him.

 

Someone earlier in the thread linked to an article that rated him and he seems to be a pretty good all-around player. Good speed, decent defense, great arm, decent contact, decent power.

[MrTPlush]

Which seems to show that Stearns has a value for every player and will not exceed the value he believes that player to be worth. He's human and can be wrong, but he obviously believes that Garcia is worth the money he's paying him.

 

Someone earlier in the thread linked to an article that rated him and he seems to be a pretty good all-around player. Good speed, decent defense, great arm, decent contact, decent power.

 

Isn't this the case for any move not forced by an owner? What GM willingly pays more than they think a player is worth? I have yet to see a GM in the presser exclaim how bad the deal will be.

[TJseven7]

I'll be pretty irritated if Garcia ends up in LF and CF. He is an obvious play in RF with Cain and Yelich making 2 positions very strong.

 

Braun at LF and 1b. Clearly.

[Brewcrewin07]

His sprint speed is in the top 90%

 

[rickh150]

The Brewers must value him as a breakout player.... They wouldn't spend this much on a multi-year deal for what he has done in a typical year so far, especially with other similar players in FA.

The injury issues with him are also concerning, especially since every outfielder we have has had injury issues last season, except Gamel.

Many are saying here that Garcia is our starting LF next year and is not a platoon. That would make Braun a platoon and or 1B candidate. I can't really see either situation right now. Braun will want to play 4 or 5 days a week, and he wasn't crazy about playing 1B. I just don't see how this works out without ticking somebody off. Not that I care if Braun is ticked, but my guess CC does.

[rickh150]

There are several other outfielders still out there that could platoon for far less $, and we wouldn't have to give them a multi-year deal. Some could be had for a one year deal, and then we would still have their arby rights. Even Domingo Santana's offensive numbers aren't that much worse, even with questionable defense, than Garcia.

Seems like an overspend unless he plays like a borderline All-Star. Even then, if he does play really well, my guess is that he initially will be splitting time with Gamel somewhat.

 

With all due respect, I don't believe the Brewers are giving this guy $10 million/season to sit in favor of Ben Gamel. Unless we acquire a 1B that forces Braun into considerable outfield starts .. Garcia should be our everyday LF.

 

Unless you mean Gamel will split time with him as a defensive replacement ... then fine.

 

I'll agree with you a bit about Gamel. He's a bat off the bench and a defensive replacement. Then they are giving this guy 10 million for multiple years so that Braun can play less. So be it, but it seems like an awkward situation- Braun even less in the OF and more at 1B.

[rickh150]

Even Domingo Santana's offensive numbers aren't that much worse, even with questionable defense

 

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln.....

 

If you could divide that 10 million differently, just for this year, I think most would.

Perhaps Santana at 3 or 4 million with 5 or 6 million more to spend elsewhere (3B/1B) would fill more gaps on this team.

With this move, we all have to presume that Braun is playing substantially less in LF and quite a bit more at 1B. Is a lot of Braun at 1B that much defensively different than a little of a back-up like Santana in the outfield?

[Fear The Chorizo]

I think alot of people forget how hobbled braun was in LF at the end of last season...giving him more time at 1st limits how much running he does, which h at this point in his career is a good thing.

[82brewcrew82]

Which seems to show that Stearns has a value for every player and will not exceed the value he believes that player to be worth. He's human and can be wrong, but he obviously believes that Garcia is worth the money he's paying him.

 

Someone earlier in the thread linked to an article that rated him and he seems to be a pretty good all-around player. Good speed, decent defense, great arm, decent contact, decent power.

 

Isn't this the case for any move not forced by an owner? What GM willingly pays more than they think a player is worth? I have yet to see a GM in the presser exclaim how bad the deal will be.

They aren't going to come out and say it but do you really believe the Reds thought Joey Votto was going to be the same player at the end of that contract? GMs over pay all the time, mostly those with deeper pockets buy that discussion happens all the time on this board. I think DS plays it a little differently.