Avi Garcia not extended QO - now a Free Agent 11/5/21

[3and2Fastball]

Almost 100% of MLB players are extremely confident humans. They have to be, Baseball is a brutally tough sport to play. And Ryan Braun is certainly not lacking in confidence. But even Braun himself would laugh at the notion of him playing Third again. Maybe in a charity softball game. Not in MLB

[pacopete4]

Walk rate needs to climb a bit, yes.

[SRB]

Just catching up, so sorry if this was posted already. Steamer projects Garcia’s 2020 stat line as...

 

[pre]G PA HR R RBI SB BB% K% ISO BABIP AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ BsR Off Def WAR

131 559 23 68 77 7 6.4 % 23.4 % .191 .323 .273 .327 .464 .331 104 -0.8 2.4 -9.3 1.2[/pre]

 

I am hopeful he can be a little bit better than that Steamer projection, especially defensively.

 

Not sure how Steamer purports to be able to predict defense, but in any event I think that is probably projecting him to be slightly below average plus the -7.5 positional adjustment for being a corner outfielder, just to put it in context. I'm not quite sure how or why they would project him to be significantly worse than his career or recent UZR numbers when he is only 28.

 

It could be that they are projecting him to play a little bit of CF for us, based on the percentage of games payed there in the most recent season. I think ZiPS does "dumb" positional projections like that. Though obviously Garcia is behind Cain, Yelich, Gamel, Taylor, and Broxton in our CF depth chart.

 

His offensive numbers should also get a significant boost if nothing else from the Brewers being able to let him accumulate higher portion of PA against LHP, given that not all four of Yelich, Cain, Braun, and Garcia are like to amass 559+ PA.

[IntentionalHBP]

I watched some of Garcia’s highlights and wow, his swing is smooth.

[Brewcrewin07]

Remember, I specifically said FREE AGENT signing, and this does also NOT include a one year deal. It means a 2 year or more contract at a higher AAV for EVERY year of said deal. That does NOT include acquiring a contract via trade. There's a distinct difference. If they hadn't signed anyone for anywhere close to $10 mill a year until Avasail, who will they sign that's left, they would give more to.

 

I had to put these qualifiers in, because I know how people work. They'd acquire a contract via trade that's more or sign someone to a stupid one year deal(I hate those) for more and try to say that counts. It doesn't.

 

 

Nice try, but you guys would all be puffing out your chests saying you were "right" if they signed a FA to a ONE year deal at a higher AAV. I mean that's too easy, they did that last year. In fact, it seems like they like to live in "one year" deal world. I mean in the last three years, how many FA's have they signed to multiple years(3 or more years.. option years don't count)?? Cain, Thames and Lindblom now?? That's it?? In the last three years?? Ironically, 2 of them have come from the Korean league.

[3and2Fastball]

If you look at Garcia’s career splits, he does hit LHP better than RHP, but he can hit RHP’s well and doesn’t need to be platooned. He actually hit RHP’s really well last season:

 

.292/.334/.471 vs RHP in 2019

[Brewcrewin07]

Why should it??

 

I missed the memo that free agents signed to 1-year deals are not free agent signings.

 

Because we know they will do that. It's how they live. I mean in the last three years, they have signed what?? Count 'em..one multiple year deal (3 or more years) at an AAV of more than $10 mill a year...Lorenzo Cain. Heck, I could be wrong, but I think Garcia now becomes only the second FA they have signed to more than one year(excluding option years), at $10 mill or more per year. Stop and think about that once..they don't exactly use FA as a consistent roster building staple, do they??

[liveforoctober]

Remember, I specifically said FREE AGENT signing, and this does also NOT include a one year deal. It means a 2 year or more contract at a higher AAV for EVERY year of said deal. That does NOT include acquiring a contract via trade. There's a distinct difference. If they hadn't signed anyone for anywhere close to $10 mill a year until Avasail, who will they sign that's left, they would give more to.

 

I had to put these qualifiers in, because I know how people work. They'd acquire a contract via trade that's more or sign someone to a stupid one year deal(I hate those) for more and try to say that counts. It doesn't.

 

 

Nice try, but you guys would all be puffing out your chests saying you were "right" if they signed a FA to a ONE year deal at a higher AAV. I mean that's too easy, they did that last year. In fact, it seems like they like to live in "one year" deal world. I mean in the last three years, how many FA's have they signed to multiple years(3 or more years.. option years don't count)?? Cain, Thames and Lindblom now?? That's it?? In the last three years?? Ironically, 2 of them have come from the Korean league.

 

I don't understand. Why does a 1 year contract not qualify as a FA signing?

[xisxisxis]

Not if you want someone who can actually play 3rd base it’s not..... https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/ryan-braun-is-willing-to-play-wherever-the-brewers-want-him-including-second-base/

 

If the options are Braun at third, trading for Kyle Seager (and not getting any big prospects like Sheffield or Dunn because the Mariners are allowed to pick up the salary), or trying to get in on Donaldson...

 

Maybe Braun is the right call. If you need late-inning defense, Arcia comes in at short, Urias slides to third.

 

trolling again?

 

I thought from the beginning that clancy was a response bot that Brian created and let loose... Nothing I've seen since has changed my mind...

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Yelich to 1B. You heard it here first.

 

I'd never considered this and think it's a pretty great idea. You don't need him in the OF as it stands and 1B would probably be much easier on his back. His length might play well at first, and he's got a poor OF arm anyway.

[MrTPlush]

We have heard what he thinks, we know what everyone else thinks. I think we got it guys. Let’s get on with something else. It’s getting really old. Figure out when you aren’t going to change someone stance or get together at a local bar to bicker.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Yelich to 1B. You heard it here first.

 

I'd never considered this and think it's a pretty great idea. You don't need him in the OF as it stands and 1B would probably be much easier on his back. His length might play well at first, and he's got a poor OF arm anyway.

 

The more I think about it, the more I think this might be a possibility. What if Braun and Yelich split LF and 1B time? Kind of a 1-year arrangement until Braun is gone, then you pick a spot for Yelich, and sign a guy to fill the other spot. Didn't Yelich play some 1B in the minors?

[LouisEly]

No it’s not. Have you been playing backyard baseball and confusing it with real life again? I pulled it off with Sammy Sosa back in the day

Just ignore him. He's been doing this for years.

[IIAY]

No it’s not. Have you been playing backyard baseball and confusing it with real life again? I pulled it off with Sammy Sosa back in the day

Just ignore him. He's been doing this for years.

The only certainties in life are death, taxes, and Clancy insisting that Braun can play 3B.

[BuckyBrewer61]

I'm not a fan of this deal and think the Brewers will regret at the end of 2020. Too much money to fill a hole that didn't exist.

 

It does fill a hole that does exist, though.

 

This moves Braun to 1B, and fills 40-50 games of OF at bats with a good hitter instead of Gamel.

 

They need bats, and this fills that need. Love their creativity in filling these holes, even if they did pay a lot.

 

$10m for 40-50 OF games is strong money to pay.

 

Meant that in addition to the 80 or so games you could move Braun to 1B. Then Braun can play a handful in the OF as well, and Gamel can be a true 5th OF - start once a week or so and PH.

 

Clearly, Garcia is going to get a full starter’s worth of at bats

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Don't know about minors but he was a 1B in high school and the Marlins considered moving him there early on but didn't.

[Eye Black]

Don't know about minors but he was a 1B in high school and the Marlins considered moving him there early on but didn't.

I really like Jeff Sullivan (formerly a great writer/personality for FanGraphs) and he now works in an MLB front office now (Rays).

 

He used to write draft pick recaps for SB Nation, and he did not nail his Yelich profile in 2010...

 

[brewcrewdue80]

Yelich to 1B. You heard it here first.

 

I'd never considered this and think it's a pretty great idea. You don't need him in the OF as it stands and 1B would probably be much easier on his back. His length might play well at first, and he's got a poor OF arm anyway.

 

The more I think about it, the more I think this might be a possibility. What if Braun and Yelich split LF and 1B time? Kind of a 1-year arrangement until Braun is gone, then you pick a spot for Yelich, and sign a guy to fill the other spot. Didn't Yelich play some 1B in the minors?

 

No professional history at 1b. I think I mentioned him for 1b in the past thinking he had history there but its just not true. I know I followed him down in Miami. Maybe the 1b is a blurb prior to draft or something that was proposed in a blurb to get up on the ML team or fit an OF crunch.

Braun has been the only thing I dont like about this deal. I cant wrap my head on him playing 1b a full season. I even searched on Joc Peterson for 1b to be a trade proposal but it's Bellinger that has 1b experience. And somehow the Dodgers wound up with Max Muncy off Waivers! So trading Braun to the Dodgers and moving Bellinger to 1b isnt happening. So Yelich if he could get 1b time makes more sense than just Braun at 1b. Sure all 4 have injury knicks to consider and believe to work the starting 4 out on its own. The 2yr at least provides after Braun for 2021.

As for Braun at 3b, i think Suter would outclass Braun there. Certainly in effort.

 

It'd be great ic Garcia made like 7mil this year and 13 the next. If you split 10mil each season that feels like Starter pay and not sitting on the bench at least 25% of the time.

 

Btw Garcia's last 3 injuries were and Oblique and twice with Hamstring. All he needs is a Back this season and we have Braun part 2 for 2021.

[DuWayne Steurer]

To be fair, I doubt ANYONE who did a pre-draft write up on Yelich in 2010 figured he'd project out to be the best player in the NL. :D

[TJseven7]

Why do people want to send Braun to the bench or a platoon role?

 

He had a .849 OPS last year and played in 144 games. Garcia has had an OPS greater than that only once in his career.

 

People aren't counting again.

 

Yelich you'd plug in for about 144 starts. That's what he played year 1 with MKE and coming off the knee he likely won't play more than that.

People are pointing to Braun playing 144 games last year. He started 113. Let's put him at 112 for easy math.

 

Garcia's career high is 146 starts. He's typically been under 130. Let's start him 130 games in RF. That leaves 32 for Yelich in RF where he's not a GG.

Put his remaining 112 in LF where he is a GG. Braun gets 50 starts in LF.

62 starts for Braun at 1b pairs very nicely with a Thames return or a power LH 1b.

 

Makes a lot of sense. Covers RF LF and 1B with strength every game. Now there are 2 GGs in the OF most days. 5th OF reserved for a CF to sub Cain.

 

We've been over this in the days of Santana. Loading 1b platoon and OF 1-4 to power the lineup and leave a nice bundle of PHs on the bench. It's a creative way to take pressure off the 3b offensive need.

 

Garcia is not a 4th OF. Braun's starts will not get cut. It fits just fine.

 

3 mil over the AAV projections is a little steep, but I like how he fits in MKE. Braun is not a RF, Yelich is not at his best in RF. A RF was a bigger need than people want to believe. It allows Yellich to be maximized.

 

Flores Holt Thames fills out this offense very nicely.

[pacopete4]

39 Bombs!!

 

Not sure how to include this photo but if another posted could do it, by all means.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Braun is not playing a full season at first. It won't happen. I don't know why people always jump to these conclusions but it's not fantasy baseball. None of the outfielders play 162, even Yelich is not the most durable guy assuming he plays there. There's still at least 80 appearances in the OF for Braun with Garcia there. Who knows how many games Cain can play anyway.

[brewcrewdue80]

Don't know about minors but he was a 1B in high school and the Marlins considered moving him there early on but didn't.

I really like Jeff Sullivan (formerly a great writer/personality for FanGraphs) and he now works in an MLB front office now (Rays).

 

He used to write draft pick recaps for SB Nation, and he did not nail his Yelich profile in 2010...

 

 

There ya go. Something that makes me feel less crazy. I wonder what Yelich's exit velocity was back then. That stat probably didnt exist then. But curious if it was above normal then but his ground ball results just made it feel he was never going to get. The ball in the air long enough.

[SRB]

Braun is not playing a full season at first. It won't happen. I don't know why people always jump to these conclusions but it's not fantasy baseball. None of the outfielders play 162, even Yelich is not the most durable guy assuming he plays there. There's still at least 80 appearances in the OF for Braun with Garcia there. Who knows how many games Cain can play anyway.

 

You could be right, but it's logical to at least pencil Braun in as the primary 1B until Stearns brings in someone else. As it stands I have Braun starting most games at 1B if everybody is healthy, with Narvaez spelling him sometimes vs RHP.

[DuWayne Steurer]

39 Bombs!!

 

Not sure how to include this photo but if another posted could do it, by all means.

 

 

I've seen a few of these overlays. A couple things. The Brewers don't play all 162 games at home. (which everyone knows)

 

As much as it seems like moving to a "hitter friendly park" seems like a guy should just hit more homers, it doesn't seem (perception at work here) like it usually works out that way. These overlays are neat tools and all, but I'm' gonna go out on a limb here and just say I don't think garcia is a 35 home run guy. I'd be pleased if he hits 25, and leave it at that.