Avi Garcia not extended QO - now a Free Agent 11/5/21

[KeithStone53151]

I hope this deal is backloaded a bit. 8/12 or 7/13. Defer some of that to 2021 when Braun's salary is off the books, and allow us a bit more to spend toward contending this year.

 

There’s not much more to add. What free agents are left?

 

I doubt we make a big FA addition, but quite possibly via trade. Could add a SP, RP, 3b, 1b. Could bring in guys like seager or belt and also get a prospect or two for taking some salary. Many options like that available via trade. Also save payroll for deadline moves.

[markedman5]

Why do people want to send Braun to the bench or a platoon role?

 

He had a .849 OPS last year and played in 144 games. Garcia has had an OPS greater than that only once in his career.

 

If he puts up an .849 OPS... how does that play at third?

 

Crew signs Thames to handle first...

 

ss: Urias

2b: Hiura

lf: Yelich

rf: Garcia

1b: Thames

3b: Braun

c: Narvaez

cf: Cain

pitcher

 

Just saying... it's an option.

 

Not if you want someone who can actually play 3rd base it’s not..... https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/ryan-braun-is-willing-to-play-wherever-the-brewers-want-him-including-second-base/

[adambr2]

 

No, but I'm willing to bet a VERY large sum of money this is their "big" FA signing for the year, in terms of AAV.

 

How large, and how do we get in on this?

 

Also, you can't bet on credit. We definitely need to see the cash upfront.

[Lathund]

I haven't seen much of Garcia with my own eyes, but almost everything I've read about him looks good. Rays fans appear sad that they didn't resign him, which is a good sign too. At least average in every statcast category tracked. His first few seasons he graded out poorly on defense, but has graded out as average to above average in the last four years by all four major metrics (UZR, DRS, FRAA, OAA). So a Yelich-Cain-Garcia outfield, which I imagine to be the most common constellation we see, is also a defense upgrade.

 

I'm not worried about the fit. Even under most best-case scenarios, Cain and Braun aren't playing 162 games. Yelich with the back issues isn't either. And regular rest is probably a good thing for everyone. So with some 1B time for Braun, the usual minor injuries who always happen to most players, regular rest days, double switches, defensive subs, DH games etc etc, there will be plenty of at bats for all of Cain, Yelich, Braun, Garcia. Gamel (Or Taylor, or whoever ends up next in line) will probably get 300+ PAs too, if not more.

 

I would have liked to see money spent at 3B and a pitcher (Though I doubt we'll ever see big money spent on a pitcher with this front office), but I can see the thinking behind this. And perhaps there wasn't a big money signing that made sense at 3B. I really like Donaldson, but the 4-year deal, likely at close to $25m AAV, to a guy his age scares me. I expect one trade and one lesser FA signing to fill the 3B/1B gaps now.

[clancyphile]

If he puts up an .849 OPS... how does that play at third?

 

Crew signs Thames to handle first...

 

ss: Urias

2b: Hiura

lf: Yelich

rf: Garcia

1b: Thames

3b: Braun

c: Narvaez

cf: Cain

pitcher

 

Just saying... it's an option.

 

Not if you want someone who can actually play 3rd base it’s not..... https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/ryan-braun-is-willing-to-play-wherever-the-brewers-want-him-including-second-base/

 

If the options are Braun at third, trading for Kyle Seager (and not getting any big prospects like Sheffield or Dunn because the Mariners are allowed to pick up the salary), or trying to get in on Donaldson...

 

Maybe Braun is the right call. If you need late-inning defense, Arcia comes in at short, Urias slides to third.

[Devinep]

Why do people want to send Braun to the bench or a platoon role?

 

He had a .849 OPS last year and played in 144 games. Garcia has had an OPS greater than that only once in his career.

 

If he puts up an .849 OPS... how does that play at third?

 

Crew signs Thames to handle first...

 

ss: Urias

2b: Hiura

lf: Yelich

rf: Garcia

1b: Thames

3b: Braun

c: Narvaez

cf: Cain

pitcher

 

Just saying... it's an option.

 

No it’s not. Have you been playing backyard baseball and confusing it with real life again? I pulled it off with Sammy Sosa back in the day

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Braun isn't playing any third, lol.

[Jopal78]

I'm surprised at the price.

 

MLB trade rumors projected 2 year, 12 million

McDaniel at Fangraphs projected 1 year, 10 million

Crowdsource at Fangraphs projected 2 years, 13 million

Bowden projected 2 years, 17 million

 

Average comes out to 1 year, 8 million or 2 years, 14 million.

 

Seems like a pretty high price considering the number of games he's missed over the past few seasons.

 

Over the last four years he's had a seasonal average of 1.9 bWAR and 1.6 fWAR. Steamer is projecting him at 1.2 WAR for 2020. Small market team shelling out 10 million per season for what could be a <1.5 WAR player seems excessive. The bat is probably OK, but time missed and rate of defensive decline could be the two factors that will either make Garcia worth it or not worth it.

 

You’ve been watching the other signings around the league, right? Clearly MLB Trade Rumors has been off the mark because it has been a sellers market. García has warts but has been an everyday player since 2013. $10 million per season seems pretty in line with what other players have gotten so far. Good for García.

[Brewcrewin07]

 

No, but I'm willing to bet a VERY large sum of money this is their "big" FA signing for the year, in terms of AAV.

 

How large, and how do we get in on this?

 

Also, you can't bet on credit. We definitely need to see the cash upfront.

 

Remember, I specifically said FREE AGENT signing, and this does also NOT include a one year deal. It means a 2 year or more contract at a higher AAV for EVERY year of said deal. That does NOT include acquiring a contract via trade. There's a distinct difference. If they hadn't signed anyone for anywhere close to $10 mill a year until Avasail, who will they sign that's left, they would give more to.

 

I had to put these qualifiers in, because I know how people work. They'd acquire a contract via trade that's more or sign someone to a stupid one year deal(I hate those) for more and try to say that counts. It doesn't.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm not sure you recognize this, but the teams don't have a prisoner relationship with the players. A one-year deal is often all they want to sign.

[MrTPlush]

Overpay is so overused. Overpay means you could have had the same thing for less. I am not so sure that applies here.

 

Also not so sure Braun goes anywhere yet.

 

Yah I am hardly going to lose sleep overpaying a 28 year old $4mil per year the next two years. That is like...nothing. That is if someone really wants to look at it as overpaying. 1-2 year deals are just not much of a hinderance on things.

[Brewcrewin07]

I'm not sure you recognize this, but the teams don't have a prisoner relationship with the players. A one-year deal is often all they want to sign.

 

Doesn't matter...I said more than a one year deal. I don't care how they do it, or what goes into it. They will flat out not sign a free agent remaining for multiple years at a higher AAV then $10 million per year like they gave Avasail. Is anyone doubting that??

[Eye Black]

Just catching up, so sorry if this was posted already. Steamer projects Garcia’s 2020 stat line as...

 

[pre]G PA HR R RBI SB BB% K% ISO BABIP AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ BsR Off Def WAR

131 559 23 68 77 7 6.4 % 23.4 % .191 .323 .273 .327 .464 .331 104 -0.8 2.4 -9.3 1.2[/pre]

 

I am hopeful he can be a little bit better than that Steamer projection, especially defensively.

[TURBO]

If he puts up an .849 OPS... how does that play at third?

 

Crew signs Thames to handle first...

 

ss: Urias

2b: Hiura

lf: Yelich

rf: Garcia

1b: Thames

3b: Braun

c: Narvaez

cf: Cain

pitcher

 

Just saying... it's an option.

 

Not if you want someone who can actually play 3rd base it’s not..... https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/ryan-braun-is-willing-to-play-wherever-the-brewers-want-him-including-second-base/

 

If the options are Braun at third, trading for Kyle Seager (and not getting any big prospects like Sheffield or Dunn because the Mariners are allowed to pick up the salary), or trying to get in on Donaldson...

 

Maybe Braun is the right call. If you need late-inning defense, Arcia comes in at short, Urias slides to third.

 

trolling again?

[pacopete4]

Yelich to 1B. You heard it here first.

[3and2Fastball]

Just catching up, so sorry if this was posted already. Steamer projects Garcia’s 2020 stat line as...

 

[pre]G PA HR R RBI SB BB% K% ISO BABIP AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ BsR Off Def WAR

131 559 23 68 77 7 6.4 % 23.4 % .191 .323 .273 .327 .464 .331 104 -0.8 2.4 -9.3 1.2[/pre]

 

I am hopeful he can be a little bit better than that Steamer projection, especially defensively.

 

Thanks. Is that projection based on him being with the Rays? I think he can have better power numbers with Miller Park as his home field....

[PeaveyFury]

Remember, I specifically said FREE AGENT signing, and this does also NOT include a one year deal. It means a 2 year or more contract at a higher AAV for EVERY year of said deal.

 

That's some significant backpedaling. Are you also excluding deals signed on a day that ends in "-day"?

[DuWayne Steurer]

Just catching up, so sorry if this was posted already. Steamer projects Garcia’s 2020 stat line as...

 

[pre]G PA HR R RBI SB BB% K% ISO BABIP AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ BsR Off Def WAR

131 559 23 68 77 7 6.4 % 23.4 % .191 .323 .273 .327 .464 .331 104 -0.8 2.4 -9.3 1.2[/pre]

 

I am hopeful he can be a little bit better than that Steamer projection, especially defensively.

 

Thanks. Is that projection based on him being with the Rays? I think he can have better power numbers with Miller Park as his home field....

 

I'm not certain on how Steamer projections work, but even 23 homers would be a career high. I wouldn't be unsatisfied with that.

[Brewcrewin07]

Remember, I specifically said FREE AGENT signing, and this does also NOT include a one year deal. It means a 2 year or more contract at a higher AAV for EVERY year of said deal.

 

That's some significant backpedaling. Are you also excluding deals signed on a day that ends in "-day"?

 

It's not backpedaling at all...I said a FREE AGENT, and I know you would want to say a one year deal counts. It doesn't. Why should it?? That's a rent a player. So, i take it you aren't disagreeing with me then?? this is their "big" Free agent signing for the year??

[82brewcrew82]

If he puts up an .849 OPS... how does that play at third?

 

Crew signs Thames to handle first...

 

ss: Urias

2b: Hiura

lf: Yelich

rf: Garcia

1b: Thames

3b: Braun

c: Narvaez

cf: Cain

pitcher

 

Just saying... it's an option.

 

Not if you want someone who can actually play 3rd base it’s not..... https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/ryan-braun-is-willing-to-play-wherever-the-brewers-want-him-including-second-base/

 

If the options are Braun at third, trading for Kyle Seager (and not getting any big prospects like Sheffield or Dunn because the Mariners are allowed to pick up the salary), or trying to get in on Donaldson...

 

Maybe Braun is the right call. If you need late-inning defense, Arcia comes in at short, Urias slides to third.

Why are those the only options? Because they are the only ones you can think of? Braun will not play third in anything but an extreme emergency and probably not even then.

[areacodes]

Remember, I specifically said FREE AGENT signing, and this does also NOT include a one year deal. It means a 2 year or more contract at a higher AAV for EVERY year of said deal. That does NOT include acquiring a contract via trade. There's a distinct difference. If they hadn't signed anyone for anywhere close to $10 mill a year until Avasail, who will they sign that's left, they would give more to.

 

I had to put these qualifiers in, because I know how people work. They'd acquire a contract via trade that's more or sign someone to a stupid one year deal(I hate those) for more and try to say that counts. It doesn't.

 

[DuWayne Steurer]

Why do people want to send Braun to the bench or a platoon role?

 

He had a .849 OPS last year and played in 144 games. Garcia has had an OPS greater than that only once in his career.

 

If he puts up an .849 OPS... how does that play at third?

 

Crew signs Thames to handle first...

 

ss: Urias

2b: Hiura

lf: Yelich

rf: Garcia

1b: Thames

3b: Braun

c: Narvaez

cf: Cain

pitcher

 

Just saying... it's an option.

 

Braun at 3B is definitely not an option on the 2020 Milwaukee Brewers.

[82brewcrew82]

LOL!

[PeaveyFury]

Why should it??

 

I missed the memo that free agents signed to 1-year deals are not free agent signings.

[clancyphile]

Just catching up, so sorry if this was posted already. Steamer projects Garcia’s 2020 stat line as...

 

[pre]G PA HR R RBI SB BB% K% ISO BABIP AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ BsR Off Def WAR

131 559 23 68 77 7 6.4 % 23.4 % .191 .323 .273 .327 .464 .331 104 -0.8 2.4 -9.3 1.2[/pre]

 

I am hopeful he can be a little bit better than that Steamer projection, especially defensively.

 

Thanks. Is that projection based on him being with the Rays? I think he can have better power numbers with Miller Park as his home field....

 

A .791 OPS is nothing to sneeze at, and if it improves the defense... I can deal with that.

 

Then again... walk rate looks low.