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Avi Garcia not extended QO - now a Free Agent 11/5/21

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I'm surprised at the price.

 

MLB trade rumors projected 2 year, 12 million

McDaniel at Fangraphs projected 1 year, 10 million

Crowdsource at Fangraphs projected 2 years, 13 million

Bowden projected 2 years, 17 million

 

Average comes out to 1 year, 8 million or 2 years, 14 million.

 

Seems like a pretty high price considering the number of games he's missed over the past few seasons.

 

Over the last four years he's had a seasonal average of 1.9 bWAR and 1.6 fWAR. Steamer is projecting him at 1.2 WAR for 2020. Small market team shelling out 10 million per season for what could be a <1.5 WAR player seems excessive. The bat is probably OK, but time missed and rate of defensive decline could be the two factors that will either make Garcia worth it or not worth it.

 

Market dictated it. These guys are flying off the shelves much earlier this year, and for better pay. There will be guys still available in January/February, but most of the bigger names have already found deals. Brewers risked having to fill holes with significant downgrades had they not jumped on board the FA bandwagon early.

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Avisail Garcia turned down 3 year deals with Brewers and elsewhere due to the expiring basic agreement in 2 years and the chance to raise the AAV afterward. Betting on himself #brewers

 

I dig the confidence. I hope he plays well enough that the Brewers can't afford him in two years.

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Market dictated it. These guys are flying off the shelves much earlier this year, and for better pay. There will be guys still available in January/February, but most of the bigger names have already found deals. Brewers risked having to fill holes with significant downgrades had they not jumped on board the FA bandwagon early.

 

This. Garcia appeared to be part of Stearns’ plan from early on. Think the market was hotter - both overall and for Garcia - than anticipated. But he was plan A and I don’t think Stearns was going to be denied here.

 

No it’s not Cole/Rendon/Strasburg money, but for those bemoaning how cheap Mark A is this offseason, here is an example of the Brewers loosening the pursestrings to get their guy.

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I'm surprised at the price.

 

MLB trade rumors projected 2 year, 12 million

McDaniel at Fangraphs projected 1 year, 10 million

Crowdsource at Fangraphs projected 2 years, 13 million

Bowden projected 2 years, 17 million

 

Average comes out to 1 year, 8 million or 2 years, 14 million.

 

Seems like a pretty high price considering the number of games he's missed over the past few seasons.

 

Over the last four years he's had a seasonal average of 1.9 bWAR and 1.6 fWAR. Steamer is projecting him at 1.2 WAR for 2020. Small market team shelling out 10 million per season for what could be a <1.5 WAR player seems excessive. The bat is probably OK, but time missed and rate of defensive decline could be the two factors that will either make Garcia worth it or not worth it.

 

Take out 2017 as his outlier and he is pretty much a low 1’s guy for his career. Most stats on him don’t scream anything intriguing but maybe he is one of those launch angle guys we can develop?

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More expensive than anticipated, but his was a difficult market to predict. Plus, FAs have generally been making out better than most predictions. It's simply what the market dictated.

 

Cautiously optimistic about Garcia. I'm thinking he is good for .280, 20 or so HRs, and average defense. That's a pretty good player. Not great, but pretty good.

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Little pricier than I was anticipating, but still a good sign! Beginning to think Braun will be utilized like the Dodgers did David Freese the past couple of years, an occasional start and the first to pinch hit.

 

Braun was their 2nd best hitter last year. I don't think that's the case at all. Sure, he's down to 3rd now that Keston is up but this type of talk seems premature with how well he did last year.

 

One of he and Garcia must be playing 1B (I assume Braun) quite a bit and they'll get a lefty to pair with them (Thames makes a lot of sense). Then you factor in the maintenance days for Braun, Cain should start getting maintenance, Garcia's injury history he could use it too, the lefty not playing vs lefties and you're going to find plenty of starts for everyone. Also, what are the chances Braun goes a whole year off the DL again like he just did? Not likely. Essentially, I'm just saying in MKE's situation it makes a ton of sense to have a legit good hitting guy in this rotation (as opposed to a Gamel) because there is plenty of PT and starts to go around once you add in 1B.

 

Still, I was a bit surprised at the price. Would've guess less here, but it's not crazy or anything and such a short commitment.

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Narvarez and Garcia are younger and will make about 20 million less per year that Moose and Grandal...yet their OPS+ is about the same. Also, they aren't locked into the big money deals for long term. You wanted to replace the void by Moose and Grandal? There are 2 moves that get as close as can be.

 

This is true, and all well and good, but I'm not going to tout this as a positive if we don't turn around and invest that money into some more higher quality FA signings. Not saying they have to, not even saying they will (they probably won't).

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In addition, look at his spray chart. Shift will not work because he hits to all fields. I like the add. Braun no longer has the range or the arm. We also has improved our defense. He has a cannon for an arm. Yelich will move to left
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I'm not a fan of this deal and think the Brewers will regret at the end of 2020. Too much money to fill a hole that didn't exist.

 

How many games do we realistically think Cain will be able to start in 2020?

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